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[Alexnssilent]

Oh good, are they college girls tho???

[Confused-Shepard]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Shepard gets plenty of action outside of serious relationships. Off screen. Where you can't see.

Seriously, read/write some fanfiction if you care so much.

I'm not talking about sex with some cheap hooker. I want Shepard to have a say more controversial relationship with one of his squaddies and the other person reciprocates in full and is okay with it. For example, Tali & Shepard knows that stark cultural & biological differences will always keep them apart no matter how strong their LUV! instead they decide to have some fun and enage in some recreational sex while they are still together before life & resposnibilities pulls them apart, they grow up and settle down with their own race. Until then, every saturday night, is sex night.  

Unfortuantely, I doubt Tali is THAT open minded since she's such fangirl in front of Shep who would want him 100% or not at all. Now even a Paragon romanced Jack on the other hand would be willing since she's not really type meant for settling down. She'd probably join the military and would meet up with Shep for cuddles, romantic dinners and sex but would not get married and settle down due to their chosen profession. 

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 04 septembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[PMC65]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Shepard gets plenty of action outside of serious relationships. Off screen. Where you can't see.

Seriously, read/write some fanfiction if you care so much.

Agree 100% ... My Shepard does alot more on Omega than what is seen on-screen.

Want to have FWB's? Who says that you and [insert character here] aren't hooking up when no one is looking?

There is so much more that goes on then what you see on-screen, all that is required is your own imagination.

[Confused-Shepard]

PMC65 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Shepard gets plenty of action outside of serious relationships. Off screen. Where you can't see.

Seriously, read/write some fanfiction if you care so much.

Agree 100% ... My Shepard does alot more on Omega than what is seen on-screen.

Want to have FWB's? Who says that you and [insert character here] aren't hooking up when no one is looking?

There is so much more that goes on then what you see on-screen, all that is required is your own imagination.

I just love how you people dumb down my idea to a level to DUR! HAVE SEX WITH PROSTITUTE!
People in this kind of relationship have a genuine affection for each other which occasionaly becomes serious but they are happy as they are since a long term relationship is not viable for whatever reason. I have known a couple who were like this for a good 6 years... now they are married. For 6 years they were carrer focussed and became financialy stable enough to raise and handle a family. 

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 04 septembre 2011 - 06:02 .

[Alexnssilent]

....college girls???

[jeweledleah]

I understand what you want. but its difficult enough to pull off in real life, in video game? where half the lines are canned and read by every squad-mate, where dialogue is copy pasted across the board to save space on disc, and to save money on writing/voice work, not to mention - its a space opera, and apparently drama less relationships are boring?

sorry, but it aint happening. its a good thought, but it aint happening

[Heather Cline]

Although I'm not opposed to a fwb type situation in games like Mass Effect the thing is, Bioware isn't going to implement it in this game as ME3 is the end of shepard's story. Maybe in the next set of games they will.

Also why does it have to be just m/f fwb? why can't there be f/f or m/m fwb? You're leaving out others in your argument confused-shepard.

Just stating the obvious that not everyone is into m/f romances or m/f hook-ups. Furthermore I've never read a novel where two people ever hook-up just for sex. Never not in a romance, science fiction, fantasy or any other type of fiction. Two people who usually get together in any type of novel tend to fall in love.

Bioware does the romance novel type of romance. If you want something more true to life... then go and get together with someone. Stop relying on video games to get your fix.

[D.Kain]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Shepard gets plenty of action outside of serious relationships. Off screen. Where you can't see.

Seriously, read/write some fanfiction if you care so much.

I'm not talking about sex with some cheap hooker. I want Shepard to have a say more controversial relationship with one of his squaddies and the other person reciprocates in full and is okay with it. For example, Tali & Shepard knows that stark cultural & biological differences will always keep them apart no matter how strong their LUV! instead they decide to have some fun and enage in some recreational sex while they are still together before life & resposnibilities pulls them apart, they grow up and settle down with their own race. Until then, every saturday night, is sex night.  

Unfortuantely, I doubt Tali is THAT open minded since she's such fangirl in front of Shep who would want him 100% or not at all. Now even a Paragon romanced Jack on the other hand would be willing since she's not really type meant for settling down. She'd probably join the military and would meet up with Shep for cuddles, romantic dinners and sex but would not get married and settle down due to their chosen profession. 

Do you realise that love and commitment doesn't mean mariyng and setteling down? You can meet a person once a year and still not cheat on that person and be in love. And that doesn't have to end. Marying or setteling down is not a mandatory thing, you don't HAVE to find a person with whom that will be possible, nor do you have to have children.

Modifié par D.Kain, 04 septembre 2011 - 06:24 .

[PMC65]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Shepard gets plenty of action outside of serious relationships. Off screen. Where you can't see.

Seriously, read/write some fanfiction if you care so much.

Agree 100% ... My Shepard does alot more on Omega than what is seen on-screen.

Want to have FWB's? Who says that you and [insert character here] aren't hooking up when no one is looking?

There is so much more that goes on then what you see on-screen, all that is required is your own imagination.

I just love how you people dumb down my idea to a level to DUR! HAVE SEX WITH PROSTITUTE!
People in this kind of relationship have a genuine affection for each other which occasionaly becomes serious but they are happy as they are since a long term relationship is not viable for whatever reason. I have known a couple who were like this for a good 6 years... now they are married. For 6 years they were carrer focussed and became financialy stable enough to raise and handle a family. 

What we are saying is that everything does not have to be on the screen to make it so. Part of role playing is that you have just as much responsibility to add layers as the game developer. If you want your Shepard to have an easy relationship with a character than that's what it is.

My Shepard is not looking to "get married" so unless Bioware forces her down the aisle then her and her LI don't get married and we can even have an "open" relationship. That is up to you. As I said, you bring your own imagination to the game as well. Who do you want to have an "open" relationship with in game that you don't feel is do-able?

[Confused-Shepard]

PMC65 wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Shepard gets plenty of action outside of serious relationships. Off screen. Where you can't see.

Seriously, read/write some fanfiction if you care so much.

Agree 100% ... My Shepard does alot more on Omega than what is seen on-screen.

Want to have FWB's? Who says that you and [insert character here] aren't hooking up when no one is looking?

There is so much more that goes on then what you see on-screen, all that is required is your own imagination.

I just love how you people dumb down my idea to a level to DUR! HAVE SEX WITH PROSTITUTE!
People in this kind of relationship have a genuine affection for each other which occasionaly becomes serious but they are happy as they are since a long term relationship is not viable for whatever reason. I have known a couple who were like this for a good 6 years... now they are married. For 6 years they were carrer focussed and became financialy stable enough to raise and handle a family. 

What we are saying is that everything does not have to be on the screen to make it so. Part of role playing is that you have just as much responsibility to add layers as the game developer. If you want your Shepard to have an easy relationship with a character than that's what it is.

My Shepard is not looking to "get married" so unless Bioware forces her down the aisle then her and her LI don't get married and we can even have an "open" relationship. That is up to you. As I said, you bring your own imagination to the game as well. Who do you want to have an "open" relationship with in game that you don't feel is do-able?

Okay, I understand what you are saying. Howver, the idea is to insert some variety into how the romances initiate and play out rather than compliment them, finish their loyalty mission and before the final battle they want to jump your bones. Maybe one squadmate has a good ol fashioned Romeo & Juliet romance with you, maybe another doesn't want to go all serious and just wants to have some fun with the superior officer, maybe another doesn't even begin as a romance but the charecter develops a deep affection for you because you actually care (Eg: Jack & Thane)

Even with the two examples I mentioned the romances are a bit cut and dry. Now I would rather Bioware not have romances at all but at least give us the sense of a building relationship (Like in Dragon Age Origins) as opposed to a former friend chewing you out because you are CO-OPERATING with a shady organization. 
In this respect I romanced Liara in ME 1/Genesis and continued in ME 2. Now that felt real, like they had something once but so much time has passed. 

Conversely, yes this can all happen offscreen even though in-game conversations state otherwise. 
But then, isn't Mass Effect espcialy ME 2 about the charecters and the relationships you can form with them? 
Or is it always OH NOEZ! TEH REAPERS! QUICK! PUT 30 POINTS INTO BULLET DAMAGE AND SHOOT!!

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 04 septembre 2011 - 06:41 .

[PMC65]

[quote]Confused-Shepard wrote...

What we are saying is that everything does not have to be on the screen to make it so. Part of role playing is that you have just as much responsibility to add layers as the game developer. If you want your Shepard to have an easy relationship with a character than that's what it is.

My Shepard is not looking to "get married" so unless Bioware forces her down the aisle then her and her LI don't get married and we can even have an "open" relationship. That is up to you. As I said, you bring your own imagination to the game as well. Who do you want to have an "open" relationship with in game that you don't feel is do-able?
[/quote]

Okay, I understand what you are saying. Howver, the idea is to insert some variety into how the romances initiate and play out rather than compliment them, finish their loyalty mission and before the final battle they want to jump your bones. Maybe one squadmate has a good ol fashioned Romeo & Juliet romance with you, maybe another doesn't want to go all serious and just wants to have some fun with the superior officer, maybe another doesn't even begin as a romance but the charecter develops a deep affection for you because you actually care (Eg: Jack & Thane)

Even with the two examples I mentioned the romances are a bit cut and dry. Now I would rather Bioware not have romances at all but at least give us the sense of a building relationship (Like in Dragon Age Origins) as opposed to a former friend chewing you out because you are CO-OPERATING with a shady organization. 
In this respect I romanced Liara in ME 1/Genesis and continued in ME 2. Now that felt real, like they had something once but so much time has passed. 

Conversely, yes this can all happen offscreen even though in-game conversations state otherwise. 
But then, isn't Mass Effect espcialy ME 2 about the charecters and the relationships you can form with them? 
Or is it always OH NOEZ! TEH REAPERS! QUICK! PUT 30 POINTS INTO BULLET DAMAGE AND SHOOT!!

[/quote]

I think that it would be great if there were many ways to romance the characters but not sure how they could really do this. That would be a Bioware dev question as to the time, cost, etc. I realize that there are limits and so I add my own layers which work fine for me as long as my Shepards aren't forced to "walk the aisle" or "have babies" then I am good. I think that they have a done a great job and there have been instances of WTF? in the game. Ash will walk if you mention three-some, Samara turns you away, Jack can have a quickie with you, Kelly is a FWB, Jacob can call the whole thing off, etc.

When it comes to romances the m/m have really had to use their imagination over EVERYBODY. So I would prefer they have their "romance" option addressed first to be honest.

As these types of games grow I am sure that Mass Effect will look like pong to future generations. And here I could play pong for hours when I was a little kid. What were we thinking?

[lokipwner]

Heather Cline wrote...

Although I'm not opposed to a fwb type situation in games like Mass Effect the thing is, Bioware isn't going to implement it in this game as ME3 is the end of shepard's story. Maybe in the next set of games they will.

Also why does it have to be just m/f fwb? why can't there be f/f or m/m fwb? You're leaving out others in your argument confused-shepard.

Just stating the obvious that not everyone is into m/f romances or m/f hook-ups. Furthermore I've never read a novel where two people ever hook-up just for sex. Never not in a romance, science fiction, fantasy or any other type of fiction. Two people who usually get together in any type of novel tend to fall in love.

Bioware does the romance novel type of romance. If you want something more true to life... then go and get together with someone. Stop relying on video games to get your fix.

This! No one is ever happy with every aspect of a game. Instead of complaining about it, go and play a different game that will offer you what you want. Bioware does romances, and they do them well! Anyone that has ever played a single Bioware games knows this, and shouldn't be looking for a hook up. 

Though as others have stated, Kelly is the definition of a hook up. Despite Jack having issues and actually needing someone that is not going to take advantage of her, if you go the renegade route, yes it is considered casual sex!

If they ever did out this in the game, there would just be someone coming along trying to push it further. Or there would be someone asking why there were romances at all. They can not please everyone.

Modifié par lokipwner, 04 septembre 2011 - 07:10 .

[ODST 3]

Friends With Benefits situations almost always end up with one party wanting more than just a casual relationship. It's romantic involvement, no matter how much one might want to classify it as just friends getting physical. Don't blame Shepard, blame his/her companions for being too smart to get involved in that kind of relationship, particularly in the middle of a suicide mission.

Jack was the only one on the crew who wanted just sex and she resists the idea of a "dumb **** love affair" so doesn't that meet your preferences? Jacob's seemed ****ty and casual as hell, if that's the kind of thing you're looking for.

[ODST 3]

Confused-Shepard wrote...
 For example, Tali & Shepard knows that stark cultural & biological differences will always keep them apart no matter how strong their LUV! instead they decide to have some fun and enage in some recreational sex while they are still together before life & resposnibilities pulls them apart, they grow up and settle down with their own race. Until then, every saturday night, is sex night.

I see Shepard and Tali's relationship as entirely different from that. The only reason they do finally become physical is because their connection is so strong and they're committed to each other. It's far too dangerous to just have recreational sex once a week with an immune system like Tali's. Each time has to mean something if she's risking infection or even death. It wouldn't make any sense including that sort of relationship into the game.