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[Almostfaceman]

didymos1120 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
Now, with the Collector ship, it's implied since it has no power - it has no atmosphere maintained inside.

Not really.  There are fluids dripping from the ceiling. If it were a vacuum, they wouldn't be doing that.  They'd be sublimating.  There's also no frost forming on anything.

Then why are they wearing breath masks? Doesn't seem to be a Collector thing, since they don't wear them on the main base in the suicide mission.

Maybe because it's an unfamiliar environment and one used by a species known to do stuff like spread engineered viruses? 

Possible, but not implied. What's implied (or stated) is that the ship is turned off and life support is off, thus there is no air inside to breath, thus they wear breathing apparatus. 

[Almostfaceman]

didymos1120 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

They were wearing masks because there was no life support systems on

Correct, and what is the result of having no life support systems on?

Whatever gave the notion that life support being off == "All the air vanishes"?  That's not how actual life support systems work. 

I don't know, maybe the people wearing breathing apparatus gave us that notion.

[TuringPoint]

You're just a troll. You're not even making arguments anymore.

[Almostfaceman]

Alocormin wrote...

You're just a troll. You're not even making arguments anymore.

Now don't start name-calling just because someone doesn't agree with you.

[Computer_God91]

Guldhun2 wrote...

At what point while playing ME1 and ME2 did you think "gee, a hologram blade would be nice to have"? Even though you could already melee.

I'll answer that for you. Never.

I'm with you. The omniblade is the dumbest thing ever. Everyone else is too busy going "OMG NEW BLADE THING" to realize how stupid a holographic blade is and its uselessness. Since when does a holographic projection suddenly have the ability to pierce armor and flesh? or burn people?

Modifié par Computer_God91, 04 septembre 2011 - 10:11 .

[TuringPoint]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

You're just a troll. You're not even making arguments anymore.

Now don't start name-calling just because someone doesn't agree with you.

Name calling?  Who's doing that? 

Trolling: A term for forum flame-baiting; inciting irritation, frustration, even anger from posters to no productive end.
If there's a personal attack in there, I'm not sure where it is.  

I was saying that I give up.  You have no intention of listening to anyone who has something to add to the discussion unless they agree with you word-for-word.  I never even explicitly disagreed with you; you simply assaulted my contribution to the discussion.

Modifié par Alocormin, 04 septembre 2011 - 10:19 .

[didymos1120]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Possible, but not implied. What's implied (or stated) is that the ship is turned off and life support is off, thus there is no air inside to breath, thus they wear breathing apparatus. 

You keep equating "no life support"  with "no pressure" .  They ain't the same thing. If life support were off, there would still be air.  The oxygen content however would be lower than if the systems were on.  How low depends on how long they had been off.  And for a ship that size, it would take one hell of a long time to use up all the oxygen available at the time it lost power.

Modifié par didymos1120, 04 septembre 2011 - 10:14 .

[didymos1120]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I don't know, maybe the people wearing breathing apparatus gave us that notion.

Right.  So the only possible use for breathing apparatus is when there's a vacuum?  I guess everywhere in the entire galaxy must be airless then, since we always see volus and quarians using breathing apparatus...

[TuringPoint]

didymos1120 wrote...

Right.  So the only possible use for breathing apparatus is when there's a vacuum?  I guess everywhere in the entire galaxy must be airless then, since we always see volus and quarians using breathing apparatus...

Yeah... I've tried this one.

[Almostfaceman]

didymos1120 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Possible, but not implied. What's implied (or stated) is that the ship is turned off and life support is off, thus there is no air inside to breath, thus they wear breathing apparatus. 

You keep equating "no life support"  with "no pressure" .  They ain't the same thing. If life support were off, there would still be air.  The oxygen content however would be lower than if the systems were on.  How low depends on how long they had been off.  And for a ship that size, it would take one hell of a long time to use up all the oxygen available at the time it lost power.

Perhaps, but that's a guess. It's a simple story told in simple terms and the casual person playing the game is going to equate breathing masks and no life support with no air inside. 

[Balek-Vriege]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

At what point while playing ME1 and ME2 did you think "gee, a hologram blade would be nice to have"? Even though you could already melee.

I'll answer that for you. Never.

I'm with you. The omniblade is the dumbest thing ever. Everyone else is too busy going "OMG NEW BLADE THING" to realize how stupid a holographic blade is and its uselessness. Since when does a holographic projection suddenly have the ability to pierce armor and flesh? or burn people?

Since Star Trek.

[TuringPoint]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Perhaps, but that's a guess. It's a simple story told in simple terms and the casual person playing the game is going to equate breathing masks and no life support with no air inside. 

There are varying degrees of 'no air.'  And it's not even a statement that you're wrong.

Bioware has made it clear they're more about making the game fun than realistic.  Thus you may be right.

Modifié par Alocormin, 04 septembre 2011 - 10:25 .

[GuardianAngel470]

azerSheppard wrote...

The "that's wrong" refers to aliens in Gears. If you consider the locust aliens, than so are marcus and dom...


It was a lvl 3 char (import bonus), without any skillpoints added aside from the ones that are forced, i played on hardcore. It's nigh impossible to do it on insanity, since me is made to be done in squad combat, the things is, the AI can't get a kill to save their lives.

I have over 30 complete playtroughs so far 20 some on xbox, 10 on pc. all insanity, except the first, and the 0 RPG one. I like a decent challenge; infact i was one of the first few to do a complete 122333

Are the aliens in War of the Worlds any less alien for being natural inhabitants of a planet? Are the Ceph from Crysis any less alien for the same thing?

Sure the locust were native to the planet but I don't think that makes them any less alien from Dom and friends (and us). They aren't human and they aren't animals so what does that really leave?

As to your power-less runthrough, did you also never level up your squadmates? When I said play the game with only shooting I meant none on everyone's parts. As if this were Gears of War.

But the truth is it doesn't really matter if you can do it only that you made the game significantly harder in order to. The game is designed around power usage AND shooting. You are actively punished for not using powers on higher difficulties and as you said, Insanity is pretty much impossible without powers.

Because it is designed around an element that Gears doesn't have, it illustrates my point. 

[Almostfaceman]

Alocormin wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Perhaps, but that's a guess. It's a simple story told in simple terms and the casual person playing the game is going to equate breathing masks and no life support with no air inside. 

There are varying degrees of 'no air.'  And it's not a guess, it's a hyothesis.  It's not even a statement that you're wrong.

Bioware has made it clear they're more about making the game fun than realistic.  Thus you may be right.

I agree, the game is definitely about fun and entertainment like a sci fi movie rather than being a hard sci fi combat sim.

[Computer_God91]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

At what point while playing ME1 and ME2 did you think "gee, a hologram blade would be nice to have"? Even though you could already melee.

I'll answer that for you. Never.

I'm with you. The omniblade is the dumbest thing ever. Everyone else is too busy going "OMG NEW BLADE THING" to realize how stupid a holographic blade is and its uselessness. Since when does a holographic projection suddenly have the ability to pierce armor and flesh? or burn people?

Since Star Trek.

I was never a big Star Trek fan. Only saw like 2 or 3 episodes. I was born after that show.

[Balek-Vriege]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

The "that's wrong" refers to aliens in Gears. If you consider the locust aliens, than so are marcus and dom...


It was a lvl 3 char (import bonus), without any skillpoints added aside from the ones that are forced, i played on hardcore. It's nigh impossible to do it on insanity, since me is made to be done in squad combat, the things is, the AI can't get a kill to save their lives.

I have over 30 complete playtroughs so far 20 some on xbox, 10 on pc. all insanity, except the first, and the 0 RPG one. I like a decent challenge; infact i was one of the first few to do a complete 122333

Are the aliens in War of the Worlds any less alien for being natural inhabitants of a planet? Are the Ceph from Crysis any less alien for the same thing?

/snip

I'm pretty sure the War of the World aliens are not native to Earth.  They're native to Mars in the novel at least.  That's why they end up dieing out to Earth viruses and disease.

Computer_God91 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

At what point while playing ME1 and ME2 did you think "gee, a hologram blade would be nice to have"? Even though you could already melee.

I'll answer that for you. Never.

I'm with you. The omniblade is the dumbest thing ever. Everyone else is too busy going "OMG NEW BLADE THING" to realize how stupid a holographic blade is and its uselessness. Since when does a holographic projection suddenly have the ability to pierce armor and flesh? or burn people?

Since Star Trek.

I was never a big Star Trek fan. Only saw like 2 or 3 episodes. I was born after that show.

Forgiven.  It was explored a lot in Star Trek: Generations and even more in Voyager.  Basically Holograms can react with real world objects etc.  (The doctor in Voyager is a Hologram that has out grown his personality/programming).

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 04 septembre 2011 - 10:33 .

[Mastone]

a holo deck on board of the normandy for training purposes would be a sweet addition

[GuardianAngel470]

Balek-Vriege wrote...



I'm pretty sure the War of the World aliens are not native to Earth.  They're native to Mars in the novel at least.  That's why they end up dieing out to Earth viruses and disease.

Didn't they come out of the ground in War of the Worlds? I never read the book so I could be wrong but that was my impression from the movies.

But my Crysis point still stands; that was what they were.

[Balek-Vriege]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...



I'm pretty sure the War of the World aliens are not native to Earth.  They're native to Mars in the novel at least.  That's why they end up dieing out to Earth viruses and disease.

Didn't they come out of the ground in War of the Worlds? I never read the book so I could be wrong but that was my impression from the movies.

But my Crysis point still stands; that was what they were.

Yep. I haven't seen the movie in years, but the tripods were buried in the ground for who knows how long.  The lightning storms were the Martians "teleporting" into the Tripods. (I think they find out from the news reporter. A slowmo video of the lightning strike shows there's "something" traveling in it).  Can't remember.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 04 septembre 2011 - 10:37 .

[TheMakoMaster]

does gears have a plot? i must have missed it..

[111987]

TheMakoMaster wrote...

does gears have a plot? i must have missed it..

Then you must not be very bright...

[Guldhun2]

TheMakoMaster wrote...

does gears have a plot? i must have missed it..

A better main plot than ME2s main plot.



Yes, really.

[ODST 5723]

I'm the Halo crowd and I liked both Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2. I've also been a fan of RPG's since 1994.

It's fair to compare ME and GoW on certain points, and extremely unfair to compare them on others. Getting closer to GoW gameplay isn't a bad thing as long as the game retains the things that made it successful to begin with, and that's a rich story, dynamic characters and a fun experience. But rather than just simply copying GoW, ME seems to want to take some of the best features from the most popular games and find a way to fit them together to make them work.

The gameplay improvements drive towards a more fun, rewarding experience.

ME1's gameplay was rough and broken, going from frustrating to completely non-challenging in the blink of an eye.. ME2's overhauled it to take a more refined approach, reducing a lot of the dice-rolling in combat and expanding the combat options. If ME3 builds on this by adding in additional elements and does them well, it should be end up being one of the best games out there that doesn't rely on multiplayer to drive sales.

[Balek-Vriege]

Guldhun2 wrote...

TheMakoMaster wrote...

does gears have a plot? i must have missed it..

A better main plot than ME2s main plot.



Yes, really.

Not hard to believe really from what I read.  Based on that it seems Gears plot is post/during the end of the world and Humanity is on the brink of extinction every two minutes.  Epic battles, all or nothing plans of wiping out the enemy, last stands, major defeats etc.  There's just a lot more to work with emotionally than the "coming of the Reapers."  Gears is "If we don't do this, blow up this city or successfully defend this area, humanity is doomed and everyone we know will be wiped out 15 minutes from now" type of plot.  With ME3 the Mass Effect series gets to finally play around with "apocalypse" plot.  The ME series as a whole (after Shepard) might be able to play around with this further, depending on how the galaxy ends up post ME3.

[DarkDragon777]

TheMakoMaster wrote...

does gears have a plot? i must have missed it..

Yeah, it actually does >_<


It's a pretty good one too. Better than most other shooters out there.