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[stysiaq]

Couldn't resist. Sorry.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

It all depends on perception.

[Angmir]

Psychical atraction for Tali is fully understandable 'cose as far as we can see she is some young chick with great figure and funny legs dressed up in fullbody suit. Plus 3 fingers ... Nothing realy that could make a man stutter execpt the Hips but in positive sense

As for Garrus ...well maybe we should ask girls but that is a bit diffrend sroty - we know his face and that is not too pretty - i bet few girls would like to wake up in the morning face to face with Garus (presuming that they dont know him before)

Modifié par Angmir, 05 septembre 2011 - 08:19 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Angmir wrote...

As for Garrus ...well maybe we should ask girls but that is a bit diffrend sroty - we know his face and that is not too pretty - i bet few girls would like to wake up in the morning face to face with Garus (presuming that they dont know him before)

Generally, waking up next to someone you don't know is unpleasant and awkward for all parties involved.

[mauro2222]

I always thought, that they liked him because he has a predatory face

I can't resist women with sharp fangs

Modifié par mauro2222, 05 septembre 2011 - 09:05 .

[Valdrane78]

Well, IF she takes off her mask and looks like her voice actor, I'll actually think about romancing her.

[Orion1836]

Spock knows what's up:

[soft black stars]

Mims wrote...

1. Guys like to believe that even if they look hideous, a beautiful girl will still love them based on personality alone.*
[*Not to say that Garrus feels monstrous, or is monstrous. I mean in role in this trope.]

 

Since Garrus doesn't feel monstrous, as you say (and I agree), doesn't that make the this entire point moot? I don't think the "beast" trope works here at all, except maybe if you (or your Shepard) personally think that Garrus is hideous and overcome that based on personality alone. That's of course fine, but I don't think that the in-game narrative gives that interpretation any special preference. Garrus' jokes about his scars could be read as insecurity about his looks (personally I don't think so, he's cool about it and immediately makes the best out of it by being confidently flirty with Shepard), but that's still bit of a long shot from being/feeling monstrous.

Garrus' nervousness comes mainly from Shepard being this invincible Commander and an accomplished Spectre as well as his only friend left, not from feeling himself ugly. After all, it was Shepard that took the initiative, and Garrus has been established as desireable by the game before (that Citadel doctor, his own story). Also Garrus turns the entire trope on its head when he mentions not having a human fetish and that he's never considered them sexually, before Shepard's suggestion made him think about it differently. One of the things I like about this romance.

Mims wrote...

2. And similarly, girls like the idea of a guy connecting with them on
an emotional level. The monster aspect also equates to being protected.

 

I don't know about fans, but the point about protection doesn't work in the in-game Shepard/Garrus narrative either. She's the badass mentor here, remember. (Mind you, I don't mean that she couldn't turn to him for help and comfort etc., only that there's no "big savage beast protecting a girl-wife" thing going on here.) But since the question is about why fans like him, then there probably are some who like to think of it along those lines, so you're probably at least partly right about it. I doubt they're the majority, however.

Modifié par soft black stars, 05 septembre 2011 - 09:50 .

[Golden Owl]

Orion1836 wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

As has been said, it's fairly easy to see why Tali would be physically attractive: those curves are spectacular, and curves typically equate to femininity. As for the face, the most popular Tali fanart I've seen just makes her look human with either stripes, glowy eyes or slightly different coloured/different textured skin. So most people just see her as a human with an added twist, not much different from an asari. And heck, the shape of her shins just adds to her overall curvaceousness. This counterbalances the 3-fingered hands and the chicken feet. Just like an asari's overall human appearance would counterbalance the blue skin and the tentacle scalp.

Garrus is just anthropomorphised enough to still be appealing: he has the general body shape of a human, with added angularity. Facial features are reminiscent enough of a human (eyes, nose, mouth in similar proportions to a human face, fringe for hair). His personality is a major part of his attractiveness, I'll admit: he's confident yet vulnerable, reliable and loyal yet with a hint of danger, has a sense of humour and is spectacularly efficient. However, had he been a krogan, a volus, an elcor or a hanar with the same personality, I wouldn't have been able to get past his physical appearance, because those species start to go beyond anthropomorphic. Personally, turians are as alien (or non-human) as I'm able to find attractive:

tall + broad shoulders + tapered waist + strong legs + overall predatory air + gravelly, sexy voice = human alpha male

It's simple, really. And just enough to counterbalance the sharp teeth and claws (although those add to the predatory vibe), the hard skin, the mandibles and the odd collar.

This.

I remember watching a Learning Channel program on human sexuality that addressed the biological characteristics of beauty. There was a lot of discussion on the Golden Ratio as it related to both facical structure and body morphology. For example, the closer a woman's hip-to-waist ratio was to the Golden Ratio (i.e. waist being .66 to .75 of hip size), the more attractive she was rated by a sample panel of men.

However, another interesting finding was that if the researchers doctored the images to reflect measurements not physically possible, such as waists approaching .50-.60 hip size, the attractiveness ratings went up instead of down. They did not expect this, because other "attractive" characteristics were linked to features indicative of fertility, and such small waists would be unhealthy, if they could exist at all. Yet, for some reason, men are hardwired to find wide hips and small waists attractive, even beyond the threshold of where they would good for child-bearing.

Given these findings, is it any surprise that men find Tali attractive? All jokes about "dat ass" and "dem hips" aside, she really does represent a body shape men are hardwired to like, regardless of whether or not it is human. Yes, her hands and feet might be off-putting to some, but at a distance, that silhouette is going to be firing up the hormones in your hindbrain long before the rest catches up.

As Nilfalasiel already said, the same goes for Garrus. Here you have all the characteristics of a dominant male exaggerated beyond what you could find in even the most physically fit human. One look at that V-shaped torso will do to the female brain the same thing Tali's hips do to the male brain.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is what I'm falling for.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 05 septembre 2011 - 11:59 .

[Bcuz]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Well, IF she takes off her mask and looks like her voice actor, I'll actually think about romancing her.

Modeling her face off her voice actor is a splended idea, of course some features may have to be altered slightly...

[elearon1]

CMDR Locke wrote...

How the hell can a person say they can't tell is someone of the same sex as them is attractive?  Seriously, get over your homophobia already.

Seriously, you need to lighten up on the caffiene man.  Some people of the same sex are obviously attractive - Johny Depp, Sean Connery - but there are quite a few people who aren't sex symbols, but fall closer to the 5-7 out of 10 range, and those are going to be much more difficult to judge for someone who doesn't find same sex individuals attractive.  I have had many male friends whose attractiveness I could never judge, a couple I'd bet are average, some ugly and one or two good looking ... but I'm not psychologically wired to look for subtle attractive cues in men the way I am with women.  And it is rather hypocritical of you to rage at someone for not behaving in a way you consider appropriate, based on your sexual preference. 

That said, from a purely physical perspective, I find Tali attractive because she is very nicely shaped and her body language is very feminine. (maybe even hyperfeminine at times, as she exagerates her gestures more than the human females on occasion)  Her voice, also part of the physical package, is very pleasant as well ... and I like the shape of her helmet.  Personally I'm one of those Talimancers who'd rather not see what she looks like under there ... after two games, the helmet is her face so far as I'm concerned. 

[aiDvEoN]

It makes a lot of sense for Tali to have exaggerated body language, given that the helmet prevents us from reading facial cues, and that quarians are suitbound even when on the flotilla.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

stysiaq wrote...

Couldn't resist. Sorry.

Hellz yes.

[P38 ace]

Nice

But i preferr this

[jamesp81]

lovgreno wrote...

^Sounds reasonable but why can there never be any monster girl + human guy in stories? Unfair.

There is one, from Starcraft.  Sarah Kerrigan as the infested Queen of Blades.

It would...almost...be worth it.  Almost.

I'm going to go hang my head in shame now.

[Zakatak757]

Xenophobia isn't that weird if you think about it. How many people these days get off on dressing like freaking animals? Alot more then you think. I reckon that banging something you could call a "person" isn't that weird in comparison. Besides, looks (obviously everything).

To the OP, I imagine a Turian dick is sort of like a ribbed condom. Bunch of small platlets. WARN OF CHAFING.

[elearon1]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Xenophobia isn't that weird if you think about it. How many people these days get off on dressing like freaking animals? Alot more then you think. I reckon that banging something you could call a "person" isn't that weird in comparison.

Xenophobia is the fear of other peoples, I think the word you're looking for is Xenophilia 

[Zakatak757]

elearon1 wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Xenophobia isn't that weird if you think about it. How many people these days get off on dressing like freaking animals? Alot more then you think. I reckon that banging something you could call a "person" isn't that weird in comparison.

Xenophobia is the fear of other peoples, I think the word you're looking for is Xenophilia 

Oooooooh...

Whoops.

Xenophilia. Ya, that.

[InkognitoY]

Human beings are wildly sexual creatures, and we express that sexuality in a ton of different ways, which are different for everybody. Not only that but humans also seek emotional fufilment, and we always seek to build relationships, regardless of the situation, it's in our social nature.

Garrus and Tali are merely one of the many methods people use to satisfy their needs as a human being, and I won't give reasons why somebody would romance either because it's probably different for everyone. Some people would argue that it's "pathetic" that some people are attracted to virtual figures, but I would have to disagree, after all; if something feels as real as life, then it's as valid as life.

(sorry for the run-on sentences, but I'm typing this on my phone).

[Tyrium]

I think the thing here is that while they aren't "human", they are "people". It's not like an animal, it's attraction to a person, and that is a very different thing. I see it like humans and Neanderthals, or horses and zebras. Different species, but not creepy.

Of course, I'm a massive Garrus fangirl, so that might be biasing me.

Modifié par Tyrium, 07 septembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[hawat333]

Despite the visible feminine characteristics, I couldn't find an alien attractive. Asari is an other case, their anatomy is at least human, but I can't help but think of the old cartoon Smurfs.
But anyways, speaking of this, how can anyone feel physical attraction to a 3D, drawn, animated thing? People cannot be that desperate these days.

[AkodoRyu]

I'm a fan of Shirow's Briareos Hekatonchires, so I don't see why people wouldn't feel "attracted" to other cool looking characters. Thou I don't think it's instinctive or sexual allure, but my English is too weak to elaborate this.

[elearon1]

hawat333 wrote...
But anyways, speaking of this, how can anyone feel physical attraction to a 3D, drawn, animated thing? People cannot be that desperate these days.

You don't look at pictures of people and feel attracted to them?  The pictures are only 2D images, after all.  

You've never looked at an artists rendering of a male or female fantasy/sci fi/wahthaveyou character and found the subject attractive?

Physical attraction is by and large the easiest thing to explain here - physical attraction to people in photographs made Hugh Hephner a millionaire. 

Have you never watched a movie or tv series and crushed on one of the characters?  Those aren't real people, just portrayals of people you may be drawn to because of their Character's personality. (that is to say, if you crush on a movie or tv character, you are in fact being attracted to the pretend personality of a fictional character written by a completely different person)

Are you attracted to specific actors?  In the vast majority of cases that attraction arises from characters those actors have portrayed - not from any actual knowledge of the actor as a person.  So if you answer yes, you are - in fact - attracted to a fictional persona; an image, an idea.  

No point in even asking about characters in novels - because if you've ever crushed on a character in a book you have even less of a leg to stand on.

People who claim not to understand where that kind of attraction comes from should, perhaps, consider their own history with fictional characters.

The only point at which it becomes a problem is when someone starts using their fictional relationships to replace real life relationships ... but the people who do that are going to be a very small minority of the overall fanbase.

Modifié par elearon1, 07 septembre 2011 - 10:00 .

[Gambit1st]

I could quote DrBobcat again, but let`s put it into words myself.

I am attracted to particular physical traits in a woman, but I always ended up with girlfriends who have none of these physical traits. Why? Because I appreciated their personalities and only after that I thought they were attractive. Other people might have found them attractive from the start, but I needed to figure out who they were as a person before I started appreciating them.

The same thing happened with Tali, in my case. I only realized I liked her more after I had been playing more than half a game. Kind of felt bad I could only romance Ash and Liara because of that, actually.
But as DrBob and someone else (I believe leonie?) had said before, attractiveness can grow on you.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

P38 ace wrote...

Nice

But i preferr this

Thats not an Alien....just a human with a pink skin condition....and her hands were born wrong......but that sure isn't Tali....since you know......Tali is an alien....while that girl in the picture isn't.

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 07 septembre 2011 - 10:02 .