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[HogarthHughes 3]

In Exile wrote...
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Yeah, totally that, except let's do it this way:
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I've never undestood why keeping the Collector base is different than saving the Rachni. 

As Humanoid_Typhoon underlined, there is a difference between Cerberus and an alien species that upon discovery was intent on conquering the galaxy by force.  I trust(ed?) Cerberus to fight the Reapers, just about everything I have seen in the games and books has helped convince me of their intent.  Looks like that may have backfired eh?

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 05 septembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Montezuma IV wrote...

The FINAL POINT: You act like an a**hole. You get treated like an a**hole.

^^^^ This. Shepard as a Spectre is supposed to be representing the "best of humanity". I can't see how being an a**nugget is going to accomplish that.

There will be good and bad results to choices regardless.

1. Save the council? "Commander, we still have time to save the council." I'm sure that was heard by the "coordinated fleet" vessels. 10,000 Asari on board. Three council members  one of which is a the a&&hole. So you let 10,000 die to get rid of one? Bad idea.

2. Spare the queen. I don't think she has any more likelihood of getting reindoctrinated than any other organic. Plus more allies. Still could bite you.

3. Rewrite the heretics. You just ****ed the Quarians on their war against the Geth. Tali think Xen is insane. But if Xen succeeds in rewriting the Geth again you've made the Quarians the most powerful race in the Galaxy. If they fail, you still have the Geth so long as you stay out of it, but lose Tali in the process.

4. I still like throwing the merc out the window. It's the Arnold moment of the game. But it also is such a thin window. Dantius skimped on costs.

5. Conrad either dies, or if you paragoned him starts doing some good work.

6. Jacob didn't repair the Cain like I asked. The only place it fired was on the collector ship. I use it to blow up that praetorian and everything else in that room. It failed at Tuchanka, and on the CB. Jacob gets keelhauled. Alas there is no choice for that.

7. What will Rana Thanoptis be up to this time?

[HogarthHughes 3]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
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5. Conrad either dies, or if you paragoned him starts doing some good work.
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Just to note, Conrad starts up his "Shepards" orphanage or whatever the hell it is for renegades too.  Just have to use the persuasion options when they're there.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 05 septembre 2011 - 07:27 .

[Seboist]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
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5. Conrad either dies, or if you paragoned him starts doing some good work.
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Just to note, Conrad starts up his "Shepards" orphanage or whatever the hell it is for renegades too.  Just have to use the persuasion options when they're there.

That Renegade persuasion doesn't top the Paragon one that dupes the Asari merchant into getting arrested.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Seboist wrote...
That Renegade persuasion doesn't top the Paragon one that dupes the Asari merchant into getting arrested.

Ha I suppose not, though with the renegade line the player gets to hear a rather forced "I don't give a damn about your security cameras."  Then again, that doesn't compare to Conrad's "really?" followed by Shepard's "really" after the Asari gets arrested.

[Seboist]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
That Renegade persuasion doesn't top the Paragon one that dupes the Asari merchant into getting arrested.

Ha I suppose not, though with the renegade line the player gets to hear a rather forced "I don't give a damn about your security cameras."  Then again, that doesn't compare to Conrad's "really?" followed by Shepard's "really" after the Asari gets arrested.

I enjoy taking those Paragon options so I can have alien scum like her, Anolies and Pitne For serve hard time in San Quentin.

[Icinix]

Punk4Real wrote...
I feel the game rewards you for good behaviour way too much.

Some people believe the Renegade choices ARE the good choices.

At no point have I seen Renegade = bad, Paragon = good.

Except maybe Morinth. But that was the exception.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Sometimes the Paragon choices are funnier. I never play pure one way or the other. Bad hair day? Renegade. Good hair day? Paragon unless i've got a headache. Now that should have been a line to use on Jacob when he comes up for the "romance" option. "Not now, Jacob. I've got a headache." lol. Poor character has the personality of a dishrag. He deserved better, but that's all he gets for not fixing the Cain. I usually fire it at the thresher maw and at the human reaper. It cycled, but where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be a kaboom. Then noticed the ammo didn't fire.

Besides I like Parasini on Noveria. She's one of my favorite NPCs in the game. I wish we'd see more of her. Hell, I'd like her on my ship, and have her there for the "hey, Gianna. Could you take a shuttle to the Citadel and find some dirt on Velarn that we could use? Send me an encrypted message when you do."

Yeah, the Morinth choice was a bad bad one, but Domination is a real ammo saver especially when it keeps Harbinger occupied. But damn, Heavy Warp + 2*Heavy Reave on Harby is a great combo.

I know some choices I've made I will have hell to pay.

[Golden Owl]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
That Renegade persuasion doesn't top the Paragon one that dupes the Asari merchant into getting arrested.

Ha I suppose not, though with the renegade line the player gets to hear a rather forced "I don't give a damn about your security cameras."  Then again, that doesn't compare to Conrad's "really?" followed by Shepard's "really" after the Asari gets arrested.

Thats one of my favorite paragon dialogs....

[cyclospdias]

Well i dint get how a game could run on psossibilities but if u suggest that some paragon choices will actually make things harder i agree.I also want to see morality have mor eof an impact on dialogues.
For example i beleive that being a Renegade should work more on war specie slike Korgan,while being a Paragon will make them ignor eu for being too weak in their eyes.Teh opposite would go for good races.

[Sajuro]

Don't lie to the krogan about fishes in the lake? He goes insane and blows up the citadel.

[Golden Owl]

cyclospdias wrote...

Well i dint get how a game could run on psossibilities but if u suggest that some paragon choices will actually make things harder i agree.I also want to see morality have mor eof an impact on dialogues.
For example i beleive that being a Renegade should work more on war specie slike Korgan,while being a Paragon will make them ignor eu for being too weak in their eyes.Teh opposite would go for good races.

I think the Krogan should be p*ssed at my Shep for saving the Rachni....and yes, I do think they (Krogan) should have less respect for my Paragon, than they would for a Renegade.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Sajuro wrote...

Don't lie to the krogan about fishes in the lake? He goes insane and blows up the citadel.

He does seem pretty disappointed if Shepard tells him the truth...

[Yakko77]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Same goes for Balak.
He is dead in my every playthrough but that doesn't make Shepard renegade.
You either let him live, save few hostages and then Balak goes killing more innocent people or you lose hostages but you prevent him from killing more people in the future.

I'm pretty sure some other batarian would step up to kill humans to avenge Balak.  So either way...

[Reever]

I like it how most (or some?) of the people here still think about both options and take the one they see to better fit their world view (or their Shep´s) instead of fanatically taking only one side of the spectrum!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Do you guys think that asari at the port for Thanes mission will turn up like Gianna did?

Paragon decisions that backfire: Nice to spaceport asari,Shiala,Gianna, and they all try to have their way with manshep.......at the same time.

[Golden Owl]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Do you guys think that asari at the port for Thanes mission will turn up like Gianna did?

Paragon decisions that backfire: Nice to spaceport asari,Shiala,Gianna, and they all try to have their way with manshep.......at the same time.

Thats a back fire?........My Shep is a single man, no LI's to b*tch about it....I'm sure he wouldn't mind......

[Freestate2nd]

Rachni are another type of Reapers Biotech,like collectors are the remains of one race reaperized and modified with reaper biotech.Theory,nobody finds some suspicious resemblance between rachni and reaper vessels? Insectoid!

[lunaruaria]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

lunaruaria wrote...
 there were no loading screen that was like "Be a bad ass fill up your renegade bar."

There actually was a loading screen that said exactly that.

oh really I guess never took note of it, the paragon loading screen always stuck in my memory.

[Sajuro]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Do you guys think that asari at the port for Thanes mission will turn up like Gianna did?

Paragon decisions that backfire: Nice to spaceport asari,Shiala,Gianna, and they all try to have their way with manshep.......at the same time.

Please, everyone knows that those Asari are geth skinjobs.

[Ziggy]

They could have if they'd taken that attitude from the start, but they can't now.

They made it so obvious when you make a renegade choice (like with the collector base) that it will have a negative consequence (with the collector base the whole crew says "that was a bad idea") and that it shep only did it because she's a jerk ("I don't talk to bugs" or whatever).

They needed to go about moral choices differently. Maybe they will for new choices in me3, but I doubt it. They've kept any moral aspects very simplistic and obvious so far.

Modifié par Em23, 06 septembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[silentassassin264]

I kind of give up with hoping they will stop making paragon=right choice renegade=bad choice. I think the whole Rachni being indoctrinated thing was just so ridiculous. Why in the world would the Reapers indoctrinate a race isolated from everything else before the whole harvesting time was ready? It wasn't like they were actually readying them to attack because the rachni stayed isolated and did not attack until Citadel species accidently found them. It would have also been pretty pointless from the Reapers to use them to kill everything like that without coming in for the harvest as well. That is just one of the stupidest copouts I have ever seen in my life.

[Sajuro]

silentassassin264 wrote...

I kind of give up with hoping they will stop making paragon=right choice renegade=bad choice. I think the whole Rachni being indoctrinated thing was just so ridiculous. Why in the world would the Reapers indoctrinate a race isolated from everything else before the whole harvesting time was ready? It wasn't like they were actually readying them to attack because the rachni stayed isolated and did not attack until Citadel species accidently found them. It would have also been pretty pointless from the Reapers to use them to kill everything like that without coming in for the harvest as well. That is just one of the stupidest copouts I have ever seen in my life.

I was under the impression that the indoctrination started after the first contact, there were some skirmishes but after Sovereign got to them is when the war went into full swing. Besides, if the reapers indoctrinated them it wouldn't be to wipe everyone out but clear a way to the citadel so Sovereign could latch onto it and override the systems of the citadel. That alone points to the invasion being past due by the time of the Rachni Wars with Sovereign monitoring the space faring species and determining they were big enough but not being able to activate the relay. I would imagine that he would try to send the signal first and not wake up the other Reapers since he didn't want to be the Vanguard who wasn't able to bring on the other Reapers, leading to that and then his attempt with Saren in which he finally alerted the other Reapers to be ready since there was no way his plan could go wrong.