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[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
It's not about the opportunistic value of betrayal. It's about one queen becoming indoctrinated, and leading her brood to war against the rest of the galaxy. If you don't understand how this works, you need to go back to ME1 and hit your codex.

Newsflash: Anyone can be indoctrinated. Not just the rachni.

No ****. What does that bit of non-news add to the discussion?

The rachni are a prime candidate for a paragon choice gone bad. Deal with it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 septembre 2011 - 10:17 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
It's not about the opportunistic value of betrayal. It's about one queen becoming indoctrinated, and leading her brood to war against the rest of the galaxy. If you don't understand how this works, you need to go back to ME1 and hit your codex.

Newsflash: Anyone can be indoctrinated. Not just the rachni.

You really should hit the Codex again.

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You can't say that EVERY renegade choice is like logical and pragmatic.

Aside from the big decisions that also concern Cerberus, they are.

Contrary. Keeping the base is a logical renegade decision.

Most "normal" renegade conversation options are just Sheppard super- d***erry.

Sorry bub but giving a base full of dangerous technology to an organization full of xenophobic crazies with a track record of screwing up experiments is not a logical choice.  As much as you renegades like to toss the word logical around you really aint that logical.

More logical that you bub.

The reaper base is a treause trove of knowledge and tech - the best shot agaisnt the reapers. To just destroy it is irresponsible and stupid.
Cerberus has a track record of workign agasint the reapers and getting results - I dont' have to trust them on a personal level. I trust them to do what they did for hte past 20 years - look after humanity.

If they get uppity they can be put back in their place easily enough, and I can take the tech and knowledge fro mtheri cold, dead hands.

Win-win.

Yes because project Overlord went so well without any trouble, oh wait.  Also reaper tech=indocrtination.  Indoctrination is bad.   



bub

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Except that Cerberus is a band of ****ing retards that can't even tie their own shoelaces without risking destroying the entire galaxy.

We have dismissed that claim.

Not to mention that the rachni have absolutely nothing to gain on a betrayal.

They don't? They have as much to gain as everyone else.

Also, Cerberus can just as easy get indoctrinated as the rachni and they have also an army which can cause damage.

Rachnii army >>>> Cerberus army

And Cerberus isn't a hive mind that if you indoctrinate a queen, EVERY LAST MEMBER OF THE ENTIRE RACE gets indoctrinated too.

So? If she becomes a problem, then just kill the queen.

Or even better. Put her somewhere the Reapers won't look. Just like the Protheans did.

Also, just because one army is larger than the other doesn't automatically make the smaller one a non-existing threat, and if TIM created an army in such a short time, what's stopping him from creating an ever bigger army?

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

So? If she becomes a problem, then just kill the queen.

The queen buried deep in a hive on worlds with environments highly hostile to most species? Sure, if you've got an army of krogan. Do you have an army of krogan?

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You really should hit the Codex again.

And you should really stop being an idiot.

[KotorEffect3]

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

So? If she becomes a problem, then just kill the queen.

The queen buried deep in a hive on worlds with environments highly hostile to most species? Sure, if you've got an army of krogan. Do you have an army of krogan?

We paragons did spare Wrex and are curing the genophage. 

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...
The queen buried deep in a hive on worlds with environments highly hostile to most species? Sure, if you've got an army of krogan. Do you have an army of krogan?

Who says that this possibly indoctrinated queen will resort to the exact same tactics?

If she hides on a planet, I'll just bomb it until there's nothing left. And yes, there's a possibility of a krogan army being created. That's why we're trying to cure the genophage. 

[Someone With Mass]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Yes because project Overlord went so well without any trouble, oh wait.  Also reaper tech=indocrtination.  Indoctrination is bad.   

bub

Overlord was doomed to fail from the start, since the geth aren't using a verbal language, like that moron Archer thought. 

[marshalleck]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

So? If she becomes a problem, then just kill the queen.

The queen buried deep in a hive on worlds with environments highly hostile to most species? Sure, if you've got an army of krogan. Do you have an army of krogan?

We paragons did spare Wrex and are curing the genophage. 

Renegades can spare Wrex too and keep the data. At any rate, the answer is no, you don't have a krogan army. The krogan alive at the current time frame are not a unified force, though Wrex is trying to solve that. It's not something that will simply be resolved overnight with Wrex + genophage data + krogan princess = invincible krogan army out of thin air. If that's what you're expecting to see in ME3, I think you'll be disappointed. If that IS what happens in ME3, I'll be disappointed, but hardly surprised at this point.

[Someone With Mass]

Same thing with the rachni. They don't have queens anymore. Just one. She won't be able to breed an army overnight either.

[KotorEffect3]

marshalleck wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

So? If she becomes a problem, then just kill the queen.

The queen buried deep in a hive on worlds with environments highly hostile to most species? Sure, if you've got an army of krogan. Do you have an army of krogan?

We paragons did spare Wrex and are curing the genophage. 

Renegades can spare Wrex too and keep the data. At any rate, the answer is no, you don't have a krogan army. The krogan alive at the current time frame are not a unified force, though Wrex is trying to solve that. It's not something that will simply be resolved overnight with Wrex + genophage data + krogan princess = invincible krogan army out of thin air. If that's what you're expecting to see in ME3, I think you'll be disappointed. If that IS what happens in ME3, I'll be disappointed, but hardly surprised at this point.

And why will you be dissapointed?  We have had it hinted to us since ME 1 that the Krogan can be possible allies if we play our cards right.

[Undertone]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Same thing with the rachni. They don't have queens anymore. Just one. She won't be able to breed an army overnight either.

Uhm you might want to read a bit about ants.

The current species I currently look after had their colony mature full-grown in two week from a queen with 2 workers. Not to mention now there are about a thousand more potential queens if not more.

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Same thing with the rachni. They don't have queens anymore. Just one. She won't be able to breed an army overnight either.

I'm not sure this is a safe assumption. The rachni are an insectoid race, and in other insect species, a queen is the result of a female larvae being specially fed and raised to sexual maturity. And the rachni do reproduce exceptionally fast; a queen can have a mature brood within weeks. It has been years. This is faster than even krogan reproduction.

[marshalleck]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

So? If she becomes a problem, then just kill the queen.

The queen buried deep in a hive on worlds with environments highly hostile to most species? Sure, if you've got an army of krogan. Do you have an army of krogan?

We paragons did spare Wrex and are curing the genophage. 

Renegades can spare Wrex too and keep the data. At any rate, the answer is no, you don't have a krogan army. The krogan alive at the current time frame are not a unified force, though Wrex is trying to solve that. It's not something that will simply be resolved overnight with Wrex + genophage data + krogan princess = invincible krogan army out of thin air. If that's what you're expecting to see in ME3, I think you'll be disappointed. If that IS what happens in ME3, I'll be disappointed, but hardly surprised at this point.

And why will you be dissapointed?  We have had it hinted to us since ME 1 that the Krogan can be possible allies if we play our cards right.

"Possible allies" is not the same as having a unified krogan army. The krogan are divided into clans on tuchanka, and dispersed throughout the galaxy as mercs. I'd be very disappointed to see 1,000 years of social/cultural degeneration and dysfunction solved virtually overnight by Wrex. That seems comically simplistic. Rather, I think it more likely you'll get support from clan Urdnot and its allies on Tuchanka, but having Wrex + the genphage data + the princess will be more relevant to the krogan's future beyond the immediate war with the Reapers. That is to say, it will determine which text slider you get in the epilogue. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 septembre 2011 - 10:45 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You can't say that EVERY renegade choice is like logical and pragmatic.

Aside from the big decisions that also concern Cerberus, they are.

Contrary. Keeping the base is a logical renegade decision.

Sure, if you trust the Illusive Man. I have no problems with Cerberus itself, just its leader.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Newsflash: Anyone can be indoctrinated. Not just the rachni.

Geth can't, and the same could possibly go for the vorcha.

[Undertone]

I don't see why Cerberus should factor at all in the decision to keep it or not. Considering Shepard has the means to enter the relay whenever he/she wants, you can give it to whoever you want. That Cerberus has control of it in the immediate post Collector battle means nothing.

Whether you destroy or keep the Collector base is a decision based on morals - whether you use something "unethical" to help you win the war. Anyone who destroys the base in my opinion is a blind idealist (actually an idiot but I have to keep things "civil"). Of course Bioware will make it so that paragons will win because all of their choices are "win-win".


And to all the 'tards that say that Renegade equals **** so you should be treated as one - how does executing a tactical manouver to win the battle of the Citadel makes Shepard an ****? Letting the Council die for the majority of us was a tactical manouver because we saw it as prudent to take Sovereign out and we didn't bet on blind luck that we will have enough ships and time to deal with both the Geth and Sovereign.

We also didn't metagame that it will turn alright (because it's paragon and that always works out) because Shepard doesn't have such knowledge.

Modifié par Undertone, 06 septembre 2011 - 11:05 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And Cerberus isn't a hive mind that if you indoctrinate a queen, EVERY LAST MEMBER OF THE ENTIRE RACE gets indoctrinated too.

Arguable; independent cells might be able to go rogue, but the organisation as a whole is only able to function with the Illusive Queen at its head.

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Geth can't, and the same could possibly go for the vorcha.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vorcha is the easiest race to indoctrinate.

[Undertone]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Geth can't, and the same could possibly go for the vorcha.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vorcha is the easiest race to indoctrinate.

Weren't the vorcha on Omega working for the Collectors/Reapers already? Hell you don't even need to indoctrinate them - just tell them you'll give them cookies.

[KotorEffect3]

Undertone wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Geth can't, and the same could possibly go for the vorcha.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vorcha is the easiest race to indoctrinate.

Weren't the vorcha on Omega working for the Collectors/Reapers already? Hell you don't even need to indoctrinate them - just tell them you'll give them cookies.

lol I really do hope the Vorcha do show in ME 3 too damn funny.   Even unindocrtinated they have little more intelligence than a husk.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Yes because project Overlord went so well without any trouble, oh wait.  Also reaper tech=indocrtination.  Indoctrination is bad.   

bub

Really? EDI indoctrianted us so badly... as did the Thanix.... And the Relay network!

[Undertone]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Geth can't, and the same could possibly go for the vorcha.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vorcha is the easiest race to indoctrinate.

Weren't the vorcha on Omega working for the Collectors/Reapers already? Hell you don't even need to indoctrinate them - just tell them you'll give them cookies.

lol I really do hope the Vorcha do show in ME 3 too damn funny.   Even unindocrtinated they have little more intelligence than a husk.

I wish Bioware would give the vorcha and batarians more plot importance or make them a little more ambigious then an evil slaver race that hates humans and a cannon-folder idiotic smurfs.

[SkittlesKat96]

A few of them could backfire.

Maybe if you let Balak go he instigates another attack and kills heaps of innocents or something.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

So? If she becomes a problem, then just kill the queen.

Teh same queen you have no idea where she is? The same queen that will be protected by a huge army?

Or even better. Put her somewhere the Reapers won't look. Just like the Protheans did.

And where wouldn't they look? Something tells me they'll be realyl careful lthis time around. How can you guarantee she won't be found?

Also, just because one army is larger than the other doesn't automatically make the smaller one a non-existing threat, and if TIM created an army in such a short time, what's stopping him from creating an ever bigger army?

Everything, that's what's stopping him. Cerberus never was, and ever will be big. Have a thousand troppers is impressive, but it's chicken fee compared to MILLIONS the Rachnii could bring to bear...
That's without counting in the possible warships tehy would aslo bring.