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Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough.

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Real women soldiers, many of whom walk from time to time.

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Guldhun2 wrote...

A soldier is always marching. ALWAYS.

That is one of the most hilarious things I've read on this forum.

 That is on purpose, isn't it?

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100k wrote...

Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough.


Good points.

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100k wrote...

Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough.


We can say that, as she is a marine and spent most part of her life surrounded by men during missions, it's passable for her to have such attitudes.

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I am very feminine....and I have swimmer shoulders.....so what...does that make me less a woman...I don't think so....

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My wife brought up a valid point on her latest playthrough of ME2 which we both hope will be addressed in ME3

She felt that her female Shephard didn't move in a feminine way. She always sat with her legs open like a guy would, and the dancing... oh boy. I know both male and female Sheps both sucked when it came to dancing...

Did anyone else notice this? Hopefully we can have a nice feminine Shephard in ME3. Also... the hair. Hopefully we can have better hair. Some longer hair would be nice.

Who's with me??! Image IPB


Better hair is coming.  That is for sure. 

"We've got some improved technology that will allow us to do longer hair. Haven't worked out the new styles yet though." https://twitter.com/...414551328571393

and more recently ...

"Character creator will get a lot more hair styles and facial features in ME3. So expect the hairstyles from the femShep competition to make it into the CC." (http://www.giantbomb...2011/35-510677/)

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Cartims wrote...

I am very feminine....and I have swimmer shoulders.....so what...does that make me less a woman...I don't think so....

Nobody said it did. O_o

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Crimmsonwind wrote...



Cartims wrote...



I am
very feminine....and I have swimmer shoulders.....so what...does that
make me less a woman...I don't think so....

Nobody said it did.
O_o




Actually, 100k did; he/she said that women *have*
narrower shoulders than man, which is not entirely true. Shepard can
have narrower shoulders not just to look "badass", just because. 

Modifié par Lunanella, 05 septembre 2011 - 12:01 .


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100k wrote...

Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough

The shoulder bit is not always applied for all women. At least my wife has very strong wide shoulders from years of training

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Lunanella wrote...

100k wrote...

Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough.


We can say that, as she is a marine and spent most part of her life surrounded by men during missions, it's passable for her to have such attitudes.


I don't think that works in the ME universe, where maybe 1/4th of the military is actually comprised of women -- even in the battlefield. FemShep shouldn't need to worry about conforming to attitudes and behavioral patterns typical of men in that diverse of an environment. Besides, it would still have to be a daily conscious effort to hold your arms out like that. I don't think Shepard acts tough for the sake of acting tough.

Modifié par 100k, 05 septembre 2011 - 12:03 .


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Just take the walk animations from ME1. And voila.


Even male Shepard walked like a gorilla in ME2

Modifié par Guldhun2, 05 septembre 2011 - 12:02 .


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Ophiskc wrote...

100k wrote...

Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough

The shoulder bit is not always applied for all women. At least my wife has very strong wide shoulders from years of training



True. But we can easily look at femShep's character model and see that she's a pretty thin woman -- muscular -- but thin.

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100k wrote...

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Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough.


We can say that, as she is a marine and spent most part of her life surrounded by men during missions, it's passable for her to have such attitudes.


I don't think that works in the ME universe, where maybe 1/4th of the military is actually comprised of women -- even in the battlefield. FemShep shouldn't need to worry about conforming to attitudes and behavioral patterns typical of men in that diverse of an environment. 


Well, I wasn't talking about Shepard trying to fit the environment where she was present just by acting like a dude, to be honest. I was stating that she was influenced by men; not that she was trying to be one judging by her attitudes and, as you said, manliness.

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Just as an aside one of the things that bugged me the most was Shepard's skeleton at the beginning of the game. It was so obviously male and since I was playing a femshep, it almost drew me out of the game. Doesn't bother me now, but at the time it was, BAM, something's wrong here. I don't know why that mattered so much at the time, but apparently it did.

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Here's a solution. Give every Shep a pony and have them ride everywhere. Then the devs only have to worry about animating the pony's gait and not doing two separate ones for each sex.

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100k wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

100k wrote...

Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough

The shoulder bit is not always applied for all women. At least my wife has very strong wide shoulders from years of training



True. But we can easily look at femShep's character model and see that she's a pretty thin woman -- muscular -- but thin.

Well, my wife has similar complexion, broad shoulders following a slender waist. And it looks very good, i cant complain :P So at least thats not something i see as a must to change for femShep, and i want some consistency between games also

Modifié par Ophiskc, 05 septembre 2011 - 12:08 .


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mousestalker wrote...

Here's a solution. Give every Shep a pony and have them ride everywhere. Then the devs only have to worry about animating the pony's gait and not doing two separate ones for each sex.


Or we could have shep kill the pony and then have a Normandy BBQ.

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I heard in ME3 Femshep will only be able to be Paragon, because women should be nice and docile, not mean like renegades. Aww, look at those tiny, fragile little women, aren't they adorable.

In the future there isn't any sexism anymore, so women can be free to act like they really are: ass-shaking, giggling, simple minded little girls who don't have to exhaust themselves pretending like they're actually capable persons, like they do now.

Seriously now though, fvck this entire thread.

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JamieCOTC wrote...

Just as an aside one of the things that bugged me the most was Shepard's skeleton at the beginning of the game. It was so obviously male and since I was playing a femshep, it almost drew me out of the game. Doesn't bother me now, but at the time it was, BAM, something's wrong here. I don't know why that mattered so much at the time, but apparently it did.

I know absolutely nothing about the difference between male and female skeletons, so that didn't bother me at all :P I was more focused on going OOOH METAL THINGIES and being really annoyed at the way Miranda's echo gets noticabley cut short.

I have no idea why but that annoys me to absolutely no end.

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Guldhun2 wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Here's a solution. Give every Shep a pony and have them ride everywhere. Then the devs only have to worry about animating the pony's gait and not doing two separate ones for each sex.


Or we could have shep kill the pony and then have a Normandy BBQ.


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LMAO!

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Ophiskc wrote...

100k wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

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Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough

The shoulder bit is not always applied for all women. At least my wife has very strong wide shoulders from years of training



True. But we can easily look at femShep's character model and see that she's a pretty thin woman -- muscular -- but thin.

Well, my wife has similar complexion, broad shoulders following a slender waist. And it looks very good, i cant complain :P So at least thats not something i see as a must to change for femShep, and i want some consistency between games also


You better be nailing that tonight.

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I think it's passable for her to have an attitude to result in fairly masculine movements, even body structure to some extent. I prefer it. Even body builder women have female bone structure or even move with some femininity or androgyny, as opposed to outright masculinity.

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100k wrote...

Also, women have narrower shoulders then men, which is why it looks awkward for femShep to hold her arms out. It just looks forced -- and she's bad ass enough that she shouldn't have to walk "manly" to be perceived as tough.


The narrow shoulders and shorter arms also explains why they swing their arms more when they walk. 

My wife hates it when I comment on how her arms swing like a pendulum when she's walking Image IPB

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I think it's passable for her to have an attitude to result in fairly masculine movements, even body structure to some extent. I prefer it. Even body builder women have female bone structure or even move with some femininity or androgyny, as opposed to outright masculinity.


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