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RAF1940 wrote...

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I believe it was Sam Harris who said if we stopped indoctrinating children now, religion could die in just a few generations. One can dream...


I find statements like this incredibly inappropriate and rude. And I'm an atheist.


Then you're just being politically correct, which is even worse. I've not discouraged the religious folks from having their say, they should do so unhampered by politness. It goes both ways, and so we've had a great debate.


I'm not trying to be politically correct. I don't think it's a appropriate to say something many, many people have faith in should "die".


Lots of people have faith in astrology. Its death would be nothing to weep over.

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Nope, liberalism and total socialism are the only things holding us back. Religion actually betters us....well some of them.


Nope, liberalism is the only good thing politics has to offer us. Though I agree that socialism is holding us back in some ways.

I'm a central-right liberal myself. Yes, that's possible, here in Europe we have more than just Republic v.s Democrat and liberalism can be social (left), conservative (right) or economical (often right).

Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


How about the King James Bible's contribution to the English language?

And liberalism will bring the world to anarchy with it's relentless demand for 'change'. 'It ain't broke, but we'll fix it anyway.' Nothing good will come of that.

Modifié par Wereparrot, 10 septembre 2011 - 04:03 .


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Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


I agree, but I don't think that's a reason to kill it off as some would wish (not necessarily you, Luc0s, but I do know people with that vision).

Some of history's most famous tyrants have had similar views. "If we wipe out group X, humanity will be better as a whole".

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slimgrin wrote...

Lots of people have faith in astrology. Its death would be nothing to weep over.


Why not? I personally find astrology interesting. I would never want to kill off part of human culture.

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Wereparrot wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Nope, liberalism and total socialism are the only things holding us back. Religion actually betters us....well some of them.


Nope, liberalism is the only good thing politics has to offer us. Though I agree that socialism is holding us back in some ways.

I'm a central-right liberal myself. Yes, that's possible, here in Europe we have more than just Republic v.s Democrat and liberalism can be social (left), conservative (right) or economical (often right).

Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


How about the King James Bible's contribution to the English language?


Or the renaissance, body and mind studies, inner peace for some, various humanitarian movements globlaly, welfair, etc etc. Most people are violent, and not good, looking at "peaceful cities" disrupt the power and supplies and it goes right to hell.

But this topic is turning into a large Circle Jerk, so I'm bowing out of it, cause yeah, sooner or later Woo will finally notice it, or it'll turn ugly,offend someone. The Bans will be handed out.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 10 septembre 2011 - 04:07 .


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Wereparrot wrote...
How about the King James Bible's contribution to the English language?


A fair point.

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And liberalism will bring the world to anarchy with it's relentless demand for 'change'. 'It ain't broke, but we'll fix it anyway.' Nothing good will come of that.


Balance is the only way! :P

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****TY!

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KenKenpachi wrote...
But this topic is turning into a large Circle Jerk, so I'm bowing out of it, cause yeah, sooner or later Woo will finally notice it, or it'll turn ugly offend someone. The Bans will be handed out.


I'm backing out as well.

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RAF1940 wrote...

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Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


I agree, but I don't think that's a reason to kill it off as some would wish (not necessarily you, Luc0s, but I do know people with that vision).

Some of history's most famous tyrants have had similar views. "If we wipe out group X, humanity will be better as a whole".


Religion can't better us, it never has. Human motivations are behind it all not a grey bearded man in the sky. The more we understand the scientific basis of our motivations, our own nature, the more progressive we'll be as a species. When we grip with fear to outdated superstitions,  then we're condemnd to repeat our mistakes.

Ken, don't go...

Modifié par slimgrin, 10 septembre 2011 - 04:07 .


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Luc0s wrote...

Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


/facepalm.

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No, anything Left wing and liberal is the ultimate enemy of man and prosperity.

And yes, I'm extremely Far Right

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DarkDragon777 wrote...

No, anything Left wing and liberal is the ultimate enemy of man and prosperity.

And yes, I'm extremely Far Right


Che Guerva, the glorified insurgent,  disagrees. :lol:

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No. For example, take the Big Bang theory: It violates all three laws of thermodynamics and the law of cause and effect, not to mention the fact that it doesn't explain origins at all, because there had to be matter around for there to be a Big Bang anyway, and where did that come from? Don't try and tell me that's not as far-fetched as Creationism. Both have no grounding in what is physically and humanly possible.

And teaching such theories as fact isn't indoctrination at all.


You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

1) The Big Bang theory isn't meant to explain the origin of the universe, but rather the development and expansion of our universe. We don't know what caused the BB, but we do know that the universe expanded from a singularity, which is what the BB is all about.

2) The Big Bang does not contradict the law of thermodynamics. Also, often creationists use this argument say "something can't come out of nothing". Which is false because the quantum field theory shows us that something CAN come out of nothing (vacuum fluctuations). 

3) Energy = matter. At the beginning of the BB, ALL the energy/matter of the ENTIRE universe was already there (within the singularity). No energy was created during the BB, it only expanded.

4) We might not know all the details about the BB, but it's a proven fact that the BB happened. You can deny the fact that the BB happened, sure, you can also deny gravity if you wish, but it doensn't make it less true.

5) We have evidence that the BB happened, for example the background radiation, the fact that the universe is still expanding and more.

6) The BB doesn't replace the belief that a God created the universe. One can still believe in God being the cause of the BB (though I personally don't believe that).

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Volus Warlord wrote...

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No, anything Left wing and liberal is the ultimate enemy of man and prosperity.

And yes, I'm extremely Far Right


Che Guerva, the glorified insurgent,  disagrees. :lol:



Him, his minions, and progressivism is a disease

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KenKenpachi wrote...

 or it'll turn ugly,offend someone.

You rang?

Wereparrot wrote...

And liberalism will bring the world to anarchy with it's relentless demand for 'change'. 'It ain't broke, but we'll fix it anyway.' Nothing good will come of that.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it"... TYPICAL attitude comming from a stubborn conservative who's unwilling to face problems. You're not helping by remaining stagnant. You're just hindering the progress of those who ARE willing to change this world for the better.

DarkDragon777 wrote...

No, anything Left wing and liberal is the ultimate enemy of man and prosperity.

I would argue with you too, but you're obviously just a troll. Back under the bridge with you.

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DarkDragon777 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

No, anything Left wing and liberal is the ultimate enemy of man and prosperity.

And yes, I'm extremely Far Right


Che Guerva, the glorified insurgent,  disagrees. :lol:



Him, his minions, and progressivism is a disease


Agreed. Most of his minions don't even know who the **** he was. lol.

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RAF1940 wrote...

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Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


I agree, but I don't think that's a reason to kill it off as some would wish (not necessarily you, Luc0s, but I do know people with that vision).

Some of history's most famous tyrants have had similar views. "If we wipe out group X, humanity will be better as a whole".


Oh don't get me wrong, I never wished to exterminate religion. If people want to believe in a God, I will ask them why, but I won't stop them. If people want to follow a religion, I will ask them why, but I won't stop them.

I just hope one day religion dies a natural death, if you know what I mean.

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I just hope one day religion dies a natural death, if you know what I mean.

I think I know what you mean. Outdated dogma slowly forgotten in favor of reason? I hope that too Image IPB

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Luc0s wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


I agree, but I don't think that's a reason to kill it off as some would wish (not necessarily you, Luc0s, but I do know people with that vision).

Some of history's most famous tyrants have had similar views. "If we wipe out group X, humanity will be better as a whole".


Oh don't get me wrong, I never wished to exterminate religion. If people want to believe in a God, I will ask them why, but I won't stop them. If people want to follow a religion, I will ask them why, but I won't stop them.

I just hope one day religion dies a natural death, if you know what I mean.


Its been dying since the day it was born, as humanity creeps out from its shadow to enlightenment. Its just taking one hell of a long time to expire.

Modifié par slimgrin, 10 septembre 2011 - 04:20 .


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Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

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I just hope one day religion dies a natural death, if you know what I mean.

I think I know what you mean. Outdated dogma slowly forgotten in favor of reason? I hope that too Image IPB


Reason. Such a subjective and manipulative term. Little in the way of real meaning anymore.

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3) Energy = matter.

What? They're exchangeable but aren't equal.

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Luc0s wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

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Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


I agree, but I don't think that's a reason to kill it off as some would wish (not necessarily you, Luc0s, but I do know people with that vision).

Some of history's most famous tyrants have had similar views. "If we wipe out group X, humanity will be better as a whole".


Oh don't get me wrong, I never wished to exterminate religion. If people want to believe in a God, I will ask them why, but I won't stop them. If people want to follow a religion, I will ask them why, but I won't stop them.

I just hope one day religion dies a natural death, if you know what I mean.


Oh yeah, that makes sense, considering religion is one of the last things holding us together. But even now it's becoming less significant.

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I get the feeling that this will be locked some time in the future. In the mean time carry on Conservatives and Liberals...

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slimgrin wrote...

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Religion never betters us. Give me one example of religion bettering humanity as a whole.


I agree, but I don't think that's a reason to kill it off as some would wish (not necessarily you, Luc0s, but I do know people with that vision).

Some of history's most famous tyrants have had similar views. "If we wipe out group X, humanity will be better as a whole".


Oh don't get me wrong, I never wished to exterminate religion. If people want to believe in a God, I will ask them why, but I won't stop them. If people want to follow a religion, I will ask them why, but I won't stop them.

I just hope one day religion dies a natural death, if you know what I mean.


Its been dying since the day it was born, as humanity creeps out from its shadow to enlightenment. Its just taking one hell of a long time to expire.


Is it? China is reopening to religion, Islam is sweeping through Europe, and so forth. You could describe religion in several ways but I don't know if "dying" is one of them.

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Now This topic is like Al-Sham's Market! lol