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[DarkDragon777]

Luc0s wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Western society is based largely on Judeo-Christian values, whether you accept it or not. Our laws come from the Bible, ie the Ten Commandments. This is what the Communist filth on the left are trying to destroy in order to tear down society completely and replace it with an idealized socialist structure that never works, never has and never will. That's one reason why they promote such perversions like homosexual marriage, to destroy the traditional family and further erode the pillars of our world.

Our laws come from Greek, Roman, Norse institutions and merry old England...not from the bible.

What Slimgrin said.

There is a reason why the early middle-age is called The Dark Age. The Dark Age is the age where all the Greek, Roman and Norse values where thrown away and Europe was ruled by the Christian church. It really was a dark moment in history indeed.

You obviously know nothing about it considering Christianity was the main religion of the Roman Empire after Jesus's death.


Greek, Roman, and Norse values are intertwined with Christianity just so you know.

[Volus Warlord]

Luc0s wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Western society is based largely on Judeo-Christian values, whether you accept it or not. Our laws come from the Bible, ie the Ten Commandments. This is what the Communist filth on the left are trying to destroy in order to tear down society completely and replace it with an idealized socialist structure that never works, never has and never will. That's one reason why they promote such perversions like homosexual marriage, to destroy the traditional family and further erode the pillars of our world.

Our laws come from Greek, Roman, Norse institutions and merry old England...not from the bible.

What Slimgrin said.

There is a reason why the early middle-age is called The Dark Age. The Dark Age is the age where all the Greek, Roman and Norse values where thrown away and Europe was ruled by the Christian church. It really was a dark moment in history indeed.

Hey, getting rid of those druids didn't happen overnight.

[DarkDragon777]

Luc0s wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...



If the fundamental premise of communism is that everyone is equal that makes it an atheist ideology, since when you factor different religions into the mix then everyone is obviously NOT equal.

The liberals have brainwashed themselves into believing equality does not mean being the same.

No, you just don't understand a damn thing about liberalism.

Liberalism is all about equal RIGHTS.

Equal rights =/= everyone being the same.

How is that good thing? There would be little opportunity. And we already know that a society where everything is equal will always fall in on itself.

[slimgrin]

Agamo45 wrote...

Prove me wrong. You haven't responded to my arguments at all besides saying that they're wrong without backing it up.

The fact dictator x is an athiest is no more relavent than him liking cheeseburgers. Athiesm is simply a lack of belief, it has nothing to do with politics. The same logic confuses folks in the states when they say: our founding fathers were religious, therefore, they wanted to mix church and state. Not true.

Modifié par slimgrin, 10 septembre 2011 - 05:31 .

[Volus Warlord]

Luc0s wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...



If the fundamental premise of communism is that everyone is equal that makes it an atheist ideology, since when you factor different religions into the mix then everyone is obviously NOT equal.

The liberals have brainwashed themselves into believing equality does not mean being the same.

No, you just don't understand a damn thing about liberalism.

Liberalism is all about equal RIGHTS.

Equal rights =/= everyone being the same.

And from equal rights stem forced representation, censorship, downplaying religion, etc?

[mousestalker]

My species isn't doing to badly, thank you very much. How is yours doing?

[Nameless one7]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...



If the fundamental premise of communism is that everyone is equal that makes it an atheist ideology, since when you factor different religions into the mix then everyone is obviously NOT equal.

The liberals have brainwashed themselves into believing equality does not mean being the same.

No, you just don't understand a damn thing about liberalism.

Liberalism is all about equal RIGHTS.

Equal rights =/= everyone being the same.

How is that good thing? There would be little opportunity. And we already know that a society where everything is equal will always fall in on itself.

So what are you saying?  You don't think everyone should have freedom of speech or something like that?  I don't recall him saying anything about equal living arrangements and things like that, just equal rights.

[DarkDragon777]

Luc0s wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

You obviously know nothing about it considering Christianity was the main religion of the Roman Empire after Jesus's death.


Greek, Roman, and Norse values are intertwined with Christianity just so you know.

Oh I know that the Roman empire made Christianity their state religion (which was 350 years after Jesus' death I might had). Funny thing how the Roman Empire was fallen not long after that.

When I speak of Roman, Greek and Norse values, I'm talking about the early Romans, the Romans that were still polytheistic.

   Funny how America has been falling after the rise of liberalism.....


And I don't think the EARLY ROMANS had any notable  values. And the Greeks couldn't even unite themselves so I view them as inferior to the Romans.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 10 septembre 2011 - 05:31 .

[Volus Warlord]

Luc0s wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...



If the fundamental premise of communism is that everyone is equal that makes it an atheist ideology, since when you factor different religions into the mix then everyone is obviously NOT equal.

The liberals have brainwashed themselves into believing equality does not mean being the same.

No, you just don't understand a damn thing about liberalism.

Liberalism is all about equal RIGHTS.

Equal rights =/= everyone being the same.

And from equal rights stem forced representation, censorship, downplaying religion, etc?

I'm not sure about liberalism in the USA but here in Europe liberalism is nothing of the sort you just summed up.

In fact, censorship, isn't that supposed to be a Republic thing? Last time I check the republicans weren't liberal.


Anyway, liberalism is all about equal rights and equal freedom, which included freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of trade. So yeah, that's pretty much the opposite of censorship and downplaying religion.

Please, learn a thing or two before you start shouting BS.

Ah, you're European. That explains quite a bit...

Censorship is done extensively by both parties..

Here's something for you: Theory is only as application. No matter how great some ideal seems, if it cannot be achieved, it is meaningless. If liberals do X, I judge them by X, not by random ideal Y.

[DarkDragon777]

Luc0s wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...



If the fundamental premise of communism is that everyone is equal that makes it an atheist ideology, since when you factor different religions into the mix then everyone is obviously NOT equal.

The liberals have brainwashed themselves into believing equality does not mean being the same.

No, you just don't understand a damn thing about liberalism.

Liberalism is all about equal RIGHTS.

Equal rights =/= everyone being the same.

And from equal rights stem forced representation, censorship, downplaying religion, etc?

I'm not sure about liberalism in the USA but here in Europe liberalism is nothing of the sort you just summed up.

In fact, censorship, isn't that supposed to be a Republic thing? Last time I check the republicans weren't liberal.


Anyway, liberalism is all about equal rights and equal freedom, which included freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of trade. So yeah, that's pretty much the opposite of censorship and downplaying religion.

Please, learn a thing or two before you start shouting BS.

In a sense, rightists censor sexual things etc. from children,  but liberals try to wimpify and shield children from the real world, which is far worse.    In America at least.......

[Agamo45]

slimgrin wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Prove me wrong. You haven't responded to my arguments at all besides saying that they're wrong without backing it up.

The fact dictator x is an athiest is no more relavent than him liking cheeseburgers. Athiesm is simply a lack of belief, it has nothing to do with politics. The same logic confuses folks in the states when they say: our founding fathers were religious, therefore, they wanted to mix church and state. Not true.

I'm not talking about any dictator, I'm talking about the ideology that was spawned by Marx who made atheism and anti-theism a major tenet. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong, all followers of Marxism, all made concerted efforts to stamp out religion in their countries.

[slimgrin]

Agamo45 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Prove me wrong. You haven't responded to my arguments at all besides saying that they're wrong without backing it up.

The fact dictator x is an athiest is no more relavent than him liking cheeseburgers. Athiesm is simply a lack of belief, it has nothing to do with politics. The same logic confuses folks in the states when they say: our founding fathers were religious, therefore, they wanted to mix church and state. Not true.

I'm not talking about any dictator, I'm talking about the ideology that was spawned by Marx who made atheism and anti-theism a major tenet. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong, all followers of Marxism, all made concerted efforts to stamp out religion in their countries.

But they were utilizing athiesm as dogma. That can be done with anything.

[DarkDragon777]

Luc0s wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

 Funny how America has been falling after the rise of liberalism.....


And I don't think the EARLY ROMANS had any notable  values. And the Greeks couldn't even unite themselves so I view them as inferior to the Romans.

When you talk about America you're probably talking about the USA right? Please use "USA" and not "America" because when you say "America" you're actually refering to the continent and all the countries on it.

Funny how the USA isn't falling because of liberalism at all. One of the reasons the USA is falling because most Americans buy stuff they can't afford (for example way too big and way too expensive houses), which is really bad for the economy I can tell you. 


The early Romans have a lot of notable values.

And just because the Greek weren't one united nation they're inferior? So you're saying Europe is inferior to the USA because Europe isn't one united nation? Yeah right...

Huh? No.... Europe already has defined countries. The Greeks tried to act as a nation even though they weren't.

And also, I think the USA could learn some things from Europe. And the big, liberal government is responsible for America's decline. Most people can't afford big houses.

[DarkDragon777]

Luc0s wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

In a sense, rightists censor sexual things etc. from children,  but liberals try to wimpify and shield children from the real world, which is far worse.    In America at least.......

Yeah well but no offense, but the political system in the USA sucks. Not that our system in Europe is any good, but at least it's not so black-n-white as in the USA.

Most Americans don't even realize that liberalism is not exclusive to left-wing politics. In fact, classical liberalism (the original liberalism) is conservative and central-right.

I'm a right-wing liberal myself.

I agree with you completely. I don't like democracy. And you mean ECONOMIC LIBERALISM. Economic liberalism is a right wing iedology.

Also, all conservatives do is try to censor drug use, etc. Liberals try to shield children, take away their toy guns, destroy their fun, and make eveything as safe as possible.

[DarkDragon777]

Luc0s wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

The Greeks tried to act as a nation even though they weren't.

Europe is also trying to act as a nation even though Europe isn't.


I don't think you should discredit the old Greek for the fact that they weren't really one nation. If it weren't for the Greek, we'd still be little more than dumb cavemen.

Nope, Rome did this. Greece only "leveraged" this change in culture. Rome changed history. Greece was just a small blip of light in the darkness.



I'd also like to point out that the churches played a part in the end of the Dark Ages.

[billy the squid]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

You obviously know nothing about it considering Christianity was the main religion of the Roman Empire after Jesus's death.


Greek, Roman, and Norse values are intertwined with Christianity just so you know.

Oh I know that the Roman empire made Christianity their state religion (which was 350 years after Jesus' death I might had). Funny thing how the Roman Empire was fallen not long after that.

When I speak of Roman, Greek and Norse values, I'm talking about the early Romans, the Romans that were still polytheistic.

   Funny how America has been falling after the rise of liberalism.....


And I don't think the EARLY ROMANS had any notable  values. And the Greeks couldn't even unite themselves so I view them as inferior to the Romans.

America has been in gradual decline for a while now, it happens to all powers eventually, whether the powers wil have a resurgance is more the question in the face of newer global powers. The British Empire was the largest Empire on the face of the planet. It still dwindled, world wars, rebellions, financial strains, new rising powers its part an parcel of the cycle.

As to the Roman Empire, it was not so much the acceptance of christianity as a state religion which caused its collapse, rather it had reached its zenith. Constantine the Great accepted it as a state religion to gain "devine authority" after his suppression of another civil war within the Empire, it was a political maneuver. The Empire was then divided into 2 to try and prevent the numerous rebellions and disputes occuring, it didn't work. Barbarian migration from the Russian steeps forcing migration in from Germania and the administrative strain of an Empire of that size simply caused it to collapse, Chritianity providing notable values to live by is neither here or there.

The Greeks themselves, existed as city states none had any desire to unify, at best they formed a loose confederacy in times of invasion, usually under Athens or Sparta, but their own civilisation predated the Romans be several hundred years. The Romans then stamped all over them as the new mediterranean power, before the Greek city states were incorporated as new vassal states.

[billy the squid]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

The Greeks tried to act as a nation even though they weren't.

Europe is also trying to act as a nation even though Europe isn't.


I don't think you should discredit the old Greek for the fact that they weren't really one nation. If it weren't for the Greek, we'd still be little more than dumb cavemen.

Nope, Rome did this. Greece only "leveraged" this change in culture. Rome changed history. Greece was just a small blip of light in the darkness.

Plato, Aristotle, Socraties, Hippocrates? the Greeks did nothing? Intellectually, Greece contributed a great deal, and predated the Roman Empire by several hundred years.

Modifié par billy the squid, 10 septembre 2011 - 06:00 .