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[marshalleck]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

And this:

I watched this last night. I was unimpressed. I was expecting something disturbing. 

The internet has done horrible things to my psyche.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 septembre 2011 - 10:33 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Have you guys seen the teaser trailer for the sequel?

It's less WTF - which was the intention - and more 12-year old with a YouTube account.

[marshalleck]

There's a sequel? I was honestly surprised they were able to take the idea and expand it to a 90 minute film.

[Bryy_Miller]

The sequel is what happens when they make a twelve person Centipede.

[Chuvvy]

Belligerent and numerous.

[GodWood]

marshalleck wrote...
I watched this last night. I was unimpressed. I was expecting something disturbing. 

The internet has done horrible things to my psyche.

I hear A Serbian Film and Irréversible are pretty messed up.

They're still on my list of things to watch.

[Lumikki]

In generally we as human race aren't doing so well.

Issues isn't just that we destroy our enviroment, but we don't even try to be any better as human. I mean most the time we as human race are guided by greed of money and our self-caring. Thinking that more money makes our personal life better.

Question isn't, does this make my life better, but how does this action of mine make all humans life better.

We often say how intelligent we are, but we don't seem to see that as humans we are self guided by society in which we live in. In past, laws where made protecting our basic rights to live. Nowdays laws are used companies rights to make profit, even expense of induvidual persons basic rights.

In simple way sayed, we as human race are lost in wheel of life what society where we live has defined. Without ability see where we should go and do, because we are too busy in our lifes or we just don't anymore care anything else then our own life.

[Russalka]

I do not oppose religion but I favour revising holy texts, to make them more modern, to bring out the true meaning.

A story about Buddha, before he was Buddha, said how he had to be charitable by giving his children away. His son agreed to do so, but his daughter did not. His daughter was cursed.

Now, what would be the moral of that story? That daughters are vile and all children must obey their elders or be cursed, especially if there is a deal to be paid? Clearly it is from a time where children had to obey more so than today. And perhaps when women were inferior.

A story today might say that charity is good and that our elders could have great wisdom in their doings and to part to their offspring.

But revision would probably mean many arguments. Perhaps just bringing out parallels more often with modern situations can work. Explaining and understanding that these texts come from societies very different than modern ones could solve a lot of misunderstandings and problems.

Modifié par Russalka, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:11 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Creature 1 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
Some of these relics even prove that certain people in The Bible existed. Obviously, this doesn't prove the existance of God but it proves there are supported facts behind The Bible.

Troy existed, therefore there are supported facts behind The Iliad.  This is why I worship Athena.  

Also read your OT.  There is no natural phenomenon that could cause the waters of the Red Sea to part and stand as "a wall to them on their right hand and on their left".  

Way to go at ignoring the bold text. And no, the sea of reeds couldn't stand as walls through natural phenomenon but that doesn't stop some scientists from believing the parting of the sea (and the plagues of Eygpt) happened due to Volcanic activity.

You kinda missed the points. 

If you realize that some things being factual in Greek and Judeo-Christian mythology does not mean that the supernatural claims in those stories are real, then there's no point in even bringing up historical accuracies as a supporting factor for the supernatural claims. 

Scientists explaining biblical phenomena also provides no support for the Bible's supernatural claims.  Scientists are looking at the Bible from the point of view of historians, who think certain mythological items are totally made up, while other have some basis in a historical event and are embellished.  Perhaps some natural phenomenon could have occurred that allowed the Red Sea to be temporarily bridged by a sand bar.  So what?  Such a phenomenon would be natural, and not require the action of a deity.  The event depicted in the Bible is clearly *supernatural*, though the scientists coming up with potential explanations think this is just artistic license.  If it actually was a miracle, you're not going to be able to prove that millennia later (since if supernatural phenomena exist they cannot be scientifically investigated), so again it provides no support for the Bible's supernatural claims. 

Belief seems to me to be something that people cannot be argued into or out of.  Most of the time it appears to be inherited through upbringing with people who share similar beliefs.  People are very unlikely to adopt a religion brought in from outside their community. 

And you missed my points. Most of the events in The Bible are supported. I already said the supernatural elements aren't supported in all books in The Bible but you atheists seem to have a tendancy of calling The Bible a work of "fiction" when it's been proven that many of the people in The Bible (Moses, King David, Solomon, Elijah, Daniel, Jesus, John, Paul) existed as did the events.

The supernatural parts can only be called fact if you have experienced miracles yourself and there's many people reporting miracles after praying to God and not to - say - Visna, The Demon Man, Godnal, APOmsk or JKAomsksaloalo. Reports of miracles have been recorded since the ancient times as have reports of groups of people seeing miracles or ghosts. When ONE person sees something, it doesn't mean that what they saw was true but when a multitude of people see the same thing, it's obvious that the thing that they saw was real.

UpiH wrote...

Ahem, atheists do not commit crusades at all, that's a task for the Christians. In order to be a philosopher one would do well if one's at least consistent at a basic level.

Secondly, why would atheists want to kill some non-existent thing? They don't go killing tooth fairies or dragons or any other imaginable apparition either unless they are delusional.

Humankind has had ethics and morals far before any organized religion entered the stage and will have far after the illusions have vanished. Otherwise there would not be humankind at all since human beings would have murdered each other long time ago. Of course there will always be people who think the world is some 6 000 years old and counting, that the dinosaur lived with Fred Flintstone and whatever fairy tale happens to delight and entertain them. So what, let them bask in their crackpot phantasms as long as they do not do harm to themselves or other people.

From what I've seen, the atheists oftentimes know the Bible far better than the religious folks, especially fundies, and have much more profound understanding on the writings and history behind the Biblical canon and surroundings, beyond mere googling or memorizing favourite passages and then mechanically spouting and parroting those all around.

The Crusades were launched to prevent the Muslim's expansion of their empire. They were forcefully expanding their empire (and if I recall, they were also forcefully converting people to Islam) and the Orthodox Church requested the Catholic Church for aid which made the current Pope call all Christians to rally together and stop the forceful expansion. They succeeded but then The Crusades continued because Europe wanted LAND, MONEY AND POWER. Do you think all the Crusaders were Christians? Some were probably atheists, theists and agnostics (of course at that time, admitting such would be punishable) who were going there for the gold to spoil. God was NEVER EVER part of The Crusades. Even The Muslims who started their expansion were only thinking about land. The forceful conversions were just done as an optional goal.

Crusaders shouted "For God!" before charging into battle? Yes, but these battles weren't for God. Crusaders were just calling upon God to aid them in battle just as soldiers did during political wars with claimants to thrones claiming that rulership belonged to them. Most wars have been for power, land and greed. The current war is about land too (it started because of land).

Atheists have killed due to their hatred of religion. Look at Hitler (he might not have been atheist - more is explained in the linked site below - but he was certainly irreligious) or Stalin who shut down Churches and killed thousands of priests because he believed that religion was evil. He proved the opposite. Also, don't come back saying that Hitler was Christian. Charles Darwin was Christian too at one point in his life but - just like Hitler - he lost his faith.

Now if we visit this site:

http://homepages.par.../ca_hitler.html

We find that Hitler's speeches about being Christian were in 1922 but in 1941, we see Hitler attacking Christianity AND religion as a whole.

I don't know why you're speaking about dragons and fairies but you do know that evolution states that such creatures could be REAL on other planets right? Isn't evolution the same theory that says that the T-Rex evolved into a Chicken? There's irony in that too considering that the T-Rex was suppose to be the strongest and most fearsome dinosaur to have existed and Chickens? Well, you call someone a Chicken when they act cowardly. 

Evolution is only possible (from what I've studied of it) if a god is guiding it. Otherwise we wouldn't observe this much design and complexity in the human or animal body. I see evolution being plausible only if God was a troll. Because someone was obviously trolling life when the T-Rex supposedly evolved into a Chicken. LOL

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:40 .

[Lumikki]

Montezuma IV wrote...

I smile and think that deep down in the back of everyone's mind, they know there's no god and that we make our own choices and judgments. As hard as that is to take, you can't live your faith in a lie. Have faith in humanity.

People create many things to protect they self. Why? Sometimes they just want to justify they own actions and sometimes they just can't handle the truth.

As having faith to humanity. Can you define what is humanity's goal?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The only humans I have really faith in were Stoics and they're long dead.

[Stanley Woo]

No longer an appropriate topic for discussion.

End of line.