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DuskWarden wrote...

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It's not in the West's interest to allow the East to acheive military superiority. With the exception of Russia (which has always been strong and so we can't consider them as an emerging power) the advances made by other nations is worrying, especially when compared to continuing Western complacency in this vital area.


It doesn't really matter, as Sea Gloom pointed out if it does kick off then we are all ****ed. With that said the west have hardly been complacent, especially having just taken it's third resource rich country, the North Atlantic Terrorist Organisation has proven quite efficient in it's latest escapade.


Western defence cuts aren't complacent in the face of growing Eastern strength? We need to rise to meet the potential threat posed by Eastern nations. And the CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament-in the UK, at least) is counter-productive and if successful would weaken us even more. NATO is an organisation destined to implode if it does kick off, along with the UN and the EU, so the strength of national forces is more important. Security lies in strength. 


CND won't ever fully succeed. So long as the UK keeps at least one induced fusion device, the principle of MAD remains, and the coalition, despite being a weak form of government, will realise that at least.

I personally think we should worry more about countries in the Middle East gaining nuclear capabilites, seeing how unstable things are over there at the moment. An extremist religous group with a nuclear weapon is about as bad as it could get. At least China has something to lose, so wouldn't start a nuclear war.



Let's just hope that a party supporting disarmament never gets in power. Even then they would probably be defeated by a combination of their own MPs and opposition MPs, but even the existence of people willing to get rid of the nukes is disturbing. It must never be allowed to happen; I would welcome royal interference to ensure it.

I agree about the Middle East. I really think Israel is the key. We should support Israel in it's efforts against terrorism; I really don't get why people criticize their tactics while ignoring the actions of terrorists attacking Israel and turning a blind eye to the fact that these terrorists are not only threatening Israel but, more ominously, world peace.

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Actully the above is why we will never have World Peace. What right does 1/4th of the worlds population and land mass have dictating to the other 75% how to live and run its governments? None. And no matter how often we preach all the BS we do we are just as bad. The documents out of Libya that showed how MI:6 and the CIA loved using Libya as a place to torture prisoners is proof of that.

And the fact as above posts go we have some inheriant "right" to military Dominace, you should stop and ask "why?" If alot of those naitons hate us, its for a lot of good reasons in a number of cases. And yet here some of us go saying we must maintane a superiority and dominion, over these people. Is it any suprise they want to harm us? I'm no pacifist, but I'm one for staying in our own damn yard. They start **** we burn them.

But if I took went into your yard with a shotgun everyday, and told you this is how you'll paint and clean your house as its how I do it and want it, then I basically steal your resources and prop up a town counsel that sets back and lets me do this, how long will it be till you want me dead? Given as Prime Minister Putin Said, this Parasetical nature, do we really need a claim to the world? If the West wins in the end I firmly belive in the context of the modern Western World, we doom humanity. We take, take, and take. And give very little and have no unifying long term plans. That is not stable or sustainable. Look at our own economic situations and how endless growth has led to endless downwards spiraling. Is that best for the world, for Humanity?

Course the Eastern World isn't much better, all I'm saying is you ****** in someones corn flakes for 200 years and make a mockery of there culutres and civilizations that are much older than yours while on the other end of the spectrum, don't be suprised if the first goal they have in mind when they become stronger is revenge. If I were Chinese, I would welcome the prospect of being able to burn a few nations to the ground given the "decade of humiliation."

You reap, what you sow. Also I'm for the dissbanment of NATO and for keeping a strong military while having a largely Isolationist policy short of trade. Though I'm also a Militarian.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 05 septembre 2011 - 09:14 .


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We're doing fine.
Why? Blind optimism is awesome.

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This thread won't turn out well.

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KenKenpachi wrote...

And the fact as above posts go we have some inheriant "right" to military Dominace, you should stop and ask "why?" If alot of those naitons hate us, its for a lot of good reasons in a number of cases. And yet here some of us go saying we must maintane a superiority and dominion, over these people. Is it any suprise they want to harm us? I'm no pacifist, but I'm one for staying in our own damn yard. They start **** we burn them.

But if I took went into your yard with a shotgun everyday, and told you this is how you'll paint and clean your house as its how I do it and want it, then I basically steal your resources and prop up a town counsel that sets back and lets me do this, how long will it be till you want me dead? Given as Prime Minister Putin Said, this Parasetical nature, do we really need a claim to the world? If the West wins in the end I firmly belive in the context of the modern Western World, we doom humanity. We take, take, and take. And give very little and have no unifying long term plans. That is not stable or sustainable. Look at our own economic situations and how endless growth has led to endless downwards spiraling. Is that best for the world, for Humanity?


It's not a 'right' to military dominance, but the 'need' of military dominance.

But I do think that some countries do not deserve independence, because they were not ready for it when they got it, which is evident in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. Premature independance has given rise to dictators or extremism, or both. You probably disagree.

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chiliztri wrote...

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This is bullcrap. I want no part of a mindset that is uncaring, apathetic or likes to hear of the death of humans, but gets butthurt when he hears of environmental damage. You don't care for your own species? Humans are more important than a few trees or animals. I don't much like humanity as a whole, but thats because i see a lot of stupid people like you.


You really don't have to get rude and throw insults when someone has a different opinion than you.

And personally, a few trees and animals are extremely important. Especially when humans have a population of what? Almost seven BILLION? Yeah, when humans have such an immense population compared to all the other species, rain forest, and natural habitats we are destroying, excuse me if I feel nothing if some people who have no connection to me die. It's a cold and jaded outlook, I'm willing to admit that, but I think preserving other species and their natural habitats is far more important than fueling the exuberant lifestyles of humans.


One of the top reasons that I hate humans.

Guy 1: Hey, I believe *insert belief here* but that's just my opinion.

Guy 2: What? THAT'S STUPID BULL SH*T! F*CK YOU! I HOPE YOU DIE PAINFULLY FOR BELIEIVING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM ME! YOU'RE NOT HUMAN! YOU'RE A MONSTER!!!

Guy 1: Chill dude.


I've literally seen many people wish death to other people for hating a game that they like...it's pathetic.

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Are we more of a blessing to this planet and the other lifeforms that we share it with - or are we more of a curse?


Right now: Curse.

But we have the potential to become a blessing instead of a curse if we stop behaving like egocentric power-hungry a-holes.


This video sums it all up quite nicely. It really hits the nail on the head.


Really, watch the movie above and be amazed.

Modifié par Luc0s, 05 septembre 2011 - 10:55 .


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Wereparrot wrote...

It's not a 'right' to military dominance, but the 'need' of military dominance.

But
I do think that some countries do not deserve independence, because
they were not ready for it when they got it, which is evident
in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. Premature independance has given
rise to dictators or extremism, or both. You probably disagree.


Dictators & Extremists?

You mean those whom we have place into power , trained & supported : Musharraf , Saddam , The Saudi Royalty , Pahlavi , Mubarak ,The Mujahideen when the Soviet invaded Et cetera Et cetera

Modifié par Saaziel, 05 septembre 2011 - 10:54 .


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Saaziel wrote...


Wereparrot wrote...

It's not a 'right' to military dominance, but the 'need' of military dominance.

But
I do think that some countries do not deserve independence, because
they were not ready for it when they got it, which is evident
in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. Premature independance has given
rise to dictators or extremism, or both. You probably disagree.


Dictators & Extremists?

You mean those whom we have place into power , trained & supported : Musharraf , Saddam , The Saudi Royalty , Pahlavi , Mubarak ,The Mujahideen when the Soviet invaded Et cetera Et cetera


And they became evil when they ceased to be our pawns. They are only as good as their utility. What is there to doubt about this?

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Might have been better off leaving the Area to the Soviets imo. As to Afghanistan. It wasn't given its independance. It always had it. No one has ever took control of it save Ghengis Khan, and only then as he wiped out 50% of the Population.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 05 septembre 2011 - 11:17 .


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The human race is not so different then it was 5 thousand years ago.

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DarkDragon777 wrote...

In general, humanity is going down the wrong path. We've been accepting things we shouldn't and have been following foolish liberal ideologies. If I were to be put in charge, I would restore the conservative values our ancestors had, as I myself am conservative.

And perhaps instead of worrying about the animals, the environment, etc., we should be worrying about our own prosperity as a species. And sacrifices must be needed to get prosperity for oneself. Unity and world peace is not possible, so you must simply look out for yourself to gain...

Optimism, acceptance, and charity are all a lie conjured by fools afraid of the shadows. America, in particular, I see on the decline culturally. We've allowed liberal ideologies to infest our systems and plague the mind. Liberalism in general, is like a parasite that feeds of any kind of system until it is overinflated and bursts, disguised as something kind, but in general is evil. Instead of looking out for other countries and giving money that is used unwisely, we should look inwards and help ourselves.

Overall, the future doesn't look great for us, at least in my opinion.

Liberalism is a mental disorder and it's the reason why the Western World is falling. I would say that it is almost impossible to turn things around now.How are we doing? Well, things don't look good.

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For humanity to truly prosper, two things must die: politics and religion. That's never going to happen.

Have a nice day. :)

Modifié par slimgrin, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:53 .


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slimgrin wrote...

For humanity to truly prosper, two things must die: politics and religion. That's never going to happen.

Have a nice day. :)


Frankly this is pathetic.

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Ulous wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Communism would fix everything... that is all


Democracy is non-negotiable.



Democracy and Communism are both non-negotiable. A Communist state will always collapse on itself because of too much government spending, too much equality, little opportunity, and overall small profit. Democracy will always collapse because of liberalism and consistent disagreement.

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DarkDragon777 wrote...

Ulous wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Communism would fix everything... that is all


Democracy is non-negotiable.



Democracy and Communism are both non-negotiable. A Communist state will always collapse on itself because of too much government spending, too much equality, little opportunity, and overall small profit. Democracy will always collapse because of liberalism and consistent disagreement.


An autocratic fundamentalist despot, however...

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I like a certain type fascism to some extent because it allows for the rights to private property and the free market but also appeals to the middle class and elevates big businesses to government status so they don't take over.


Also, Karl Marx is a fool and social equality is a fool notion.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 06 septembre 2011 - 01:58 .


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KenKenpachi wrote...

Might have been better off leaving the Area to the Soviets imo. As to Afghanistan. It wasn't given its independance. It always had it. No one has ever took control of it save Ghengis Khan, and only then as he wiped out 50% of the Population.

Old Persian empires had control over Afghanistan: Achaemenid, Parthia, Sassanid. Also at middle ages, Ghaznavid and Saljucian, Khwarizmshahid dynasties.

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Finally Roman Empire System for the world: Nerva-Antonine dynasty.

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DarkDragon777 wrote...

it allows for the rights to private property


I'm sorry but i've heard this so many times that it has somewhat become a platitude, nobody has a right to own property almost anywhere on this planet by default, the right to own property is bought, if someone does not have enough money to buy a house then they do not get to own one......... simple as that. Even when you do make enough money to buy the right to own a property you still do not truly own it, as I have witnessed locally the govenment are more than willing to force people out of their homes because a corporation like Tesco or ASDA (wal-mart) want to build on the land, usually giving the home owners below market value for their homes as well.

You can't even live off the land if you wanted to as almost every square mile of land is owned by someone or something.

Modifié par Ulous, 06 septembre 2011 - 05:49 .


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i think the solution to the problem lies within each individual. eacch and every one of us has to bring about the change that we want. even if its hard. so you dont cure world hunger, but you can say hello to a stranger and wish them a good day.

and with that i say,

GOOD DAY SIR!

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slimgrin wrote...
For humanity to truly prosper, two things must die: politics and religion. That's never going to happen.
Have a nice day. :)


Unless you have some dictactor going around ensuring you do whatever he/she says, how do you get rid of politics? And what's the alternative to religion? Atheism? That can be just as fanatical and just as evil as any religion. Better just one religion.

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Okay, I'm going to ignore all of the swirling sub-topics in this thread and try to talk of OP's thread title.

WARNING: LONG

How are we doing? As a species I mean...

I'm going to make it a little more personal. I haven't had the easiest life. I won't say my life has been too too hard, but it's not been the easiest. I've lived in a broken home where the parents scream at each other every day. I remember going on a trip across America (driving) and my father and mother yelling at each other pretty much for the entire car ride. Not trying to cause pity or anything, just saying.

That kind of thing, please pardon my French, really fvcks up the mind of a twelve year old. I've dealt with suicidal impulses, days when I could cry myself to sleep at night, times when I would hear my father yelling at my little sister and ache, just ache, to go downstairs and end his miserable, freaking life. I hated my parents. Hated them. If they would have died in front of me, I would have laughed in joy, and I'm being deadly serious. Just recapping this bring the emotions up to the surface.
So, I have a really hard time believing in the good-will of people. It's not that everyone I see is that way, just that over a decade of hate is nearly impossible to erase.

Part 2: Please, please don't be offended. I'm not knocking anyone's beliefs with this, but it is crucial to who I am and my feelings on this issue.

Our family is part of a church. The pastor, my pastor, is a person who really cares for people and doesn't like to see them hurting. In fact, he's told me and my sister several times that anytime, if we needed to get away from it, we could come over to his-and-his-wife's house, and just be there, away from the craziness.

Anyway, through many conversations with him, I gradually, gradually, learned that not everyone was like that. Not everyone was a time bomb just waiting to explode in your face; that there was such a thing as love. He asked me one time if I ever wanted to get married. I said no. I didn't want any chance of turning out like my parents. Over time, though, he showed me that few are that way. He showed me that I didn't have to follow the footsteps of my parents. Oddly enough, they say that's one sure thing about kids: they turn out very much like their parents.

His key phrase was, "Someone has to do it right." I guess that someone was me.

Part 3: Safer Territory

My friends were a mixed bag in many ways. I haven't had very many friends, maybe six or seven at once. And, often because of the things I've felt, I'm extremely introverted, which isn't too compatible with friends, and more than a little weird. At times they (my friends) could be very cutting with comments they made, which would make me draw back into my cocoon and not talk to anyone. However, as I've grown up a little bit, and they as well, they've gotten used to me and that has allowed me to open up and see a little more of the goodness in them.



So, I've had my share of heartache, at the expense of other people, indeed at the expense of the two people who ought to be the opposite of "heartache." That has caused my worldview to generally lie around the idea that people are devious, evil, heartless creatures, who belong at the bottom of the food chain, as opposed to the top.

However, I've come to realize that all people, in fact a great deal of people, aren't that way. There are genuinely good people out there. One recent example that comes to mind is a guy I heard do a little speech named Eric Klein, who started an organization called Can-Do. Link to website. This guy's story is basically that when the big tsunami hit several years ago (I think about 2004), billions of dollars were given in aid to help. Several months later, he was watching the news, and nothing had changed. The people were still living in rubble. He said it p1ssed him off He wanted to do something about. Then, a few weeks later, he got hit by a drunk driver. Instead of taking the money to get surgery, he took a friend with him with a camera and they went over to...somewhere, I believe it was Sri Lanka, to see what they could do. he showed us a video.

It was amazing. There were places with Red Cross warehouses stocked FULL OF FOOD, and with people starving across the street. It wasn't being distributed. At one place there was a bunch of food at an airport, but no one was transporting it to the villages that needed it. And he said it was easy, just flag down a truck, give them one hundred bucks and have them deliver the stuff. So easy, but no one was doing it. And the cool about him rebuilding the villages and stuff, he didn't go in and say, "okay, we're doing this, and this, and this." No, he went in and asked them what they wanted done. What they needed. And another thing that was cool: at one place he said that when finishing up rebuilding a village, he really wanted a way to bring the village together...so he had all the kids in the village help build a playground. Not build it for them. They helped. He did that with the adults, too--he supplied the money and supplies, and they helped build. Very thoughtful.

I personally don't tend to go in for this kind of stuff, but you could see it clearly in his face and voice,the frustration...that he was real. It wasn't fake. He wasn't saying this to get us to give him money. He was saying it because he believed it with all of his heart.


Stories like that inspire me. They show me that there is good in this world. As for how we are doing as a species, I have to say we tend to go in the direction of our leaders/mentors/celebrities/sports heroes. I don't follow that stuff too much, but with what I hear about people like Britney Spears or Miley Cyrus or Barry Bonds or <insert name of latest sports player taking roids (I live not too far away from Ohio State, which I hear has a lot of problems this season)>, it doesn't look too good. DO we have the potential to do better? Sure. Are we? I don't know about that.


And on our reflection on the environment, that's an interesting question. We are burning up fossil fuels at an alarming rate, but think about this: we now have (or know of, but aren't allowed to drill there) access to more fossil fuels than ever before. Vast reserves in the Middle East, even in Israel, I believe. Lots in Russia, or perhaps more accurately that area surrounding Russia. I believe one of the largest natural gas deposits ever was recently found in the East-to-Midwest USA. The more we consume, the more we find, it seems. I do believe we need to reduce our consumption, but cries of impending doom are over the top.

I think I'll stop here, because this seems like a lot. I look forward to seeing responses.

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We are doing a terrible job, but that's fine.