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Wow someone needs to take the stick out of his ass. And a 50 Megaton weapon would wipe out most of the UK in one shot, drill to crtical fault lines globally, placed a few here and there, or just so on one side to nudge the planet's orbit to a less habital sector. And well for all intents and purposes, Earth would be dead. Even if you don't nudge it, cracking the surface would allow the mantle to flow wild, boiling away the sea's, blacking the sky. and leaving the planet nearly dead for a few million years.

A past extincttion event happend in this manner minus the nukes part. Also yes, the Day man went into the space and was able to stay for months means we can if we put the money, technology, and will power toward it, we can leave. If we make the most of it and terraform a few regions or live in a huge wheel space station I can't say which we'll do, but point is we can, and must. But unlike the Dinosuars we have the option of side steping our doom.  Also keep in mind it took the earth oh 20-30 million years to recover? That is from the Impact you spoke about.


A larger bomb could easily be built, but today's atomic arsenal is a bit of a joke from its cold war counterpart. Most weapons in the US armory are barely out of the 500 kiliton to 2 megaton range, where as the Chinese and Russians still prefer 5-25 megaton weapons. Humantiy is more fragile than our world, but we have the capability to match it in terms of power. However to make a point is a silly reason to blow up the planet. Nor would I do such, though it is my view we DO need to leave and spread to more worlds, so we don't suffer a "Bulls eye" event. More worlds we go to, the better our chances of survival as a species. The Earth as it stands is a chance event, and a fluke, it is no devine power or event. Mars is an Example of it, we now have proof that Mars was a garden world with oceans and rivers, and most likely life, some of which that might still be alive. Earth could easily be mars, or Venus if it were just a bit out of its current orbit.

And to the "earth thing" no, I just wanted to ****** them off so they would swing  at me, so I would have the perfect chance and reason to beat his smug ass into the ground. Never liked them. Besides if I had 12 nukes I would use them for my own political goals or have sold them by now. Or the CIA would be on the hunt for me.

Though a mute point as with Suitcase nukes, either they arn't real, or are hidden in the foundations of buildings, the ground, hell a barn, across the West and are controlled to go critical when the Russian C&C bunker sends the transmission, wisely or foolishly, this system is buried in a quartz mountain in Siberia, and thus even with an EMP strike can transmit globally, and should contact ever be lost with Moscow, the station and its small operational crew have the authority to do a global strike. So yeah only way we'll know if those bombs are real is if Moscow gets wiped out. But I do think you don't much understand the fine art of controlled explosive demolitions.

Also to global warmng its been confirmed it has more to do with the sun than man, by Nasa, and numerous colleges (who earn there own money *gasp*) and among those the guys who brought us the Net, and Partical accilirator/collider. And if you want to talk about power, nothing on this world, man made or not, has ever, or will ever in ten million years, equal the energy output of the sun on any given day. Sun spots have cleared up, more heating is being released and reaching us way out here. In fact coming with it is a wonderful form of Radiation, that may **** up half of the worlds power grid in 2013, for the next 30 years. So keep touting that Political BS on man being a virus all you want. Heh one day the Sun will in the distant future vaporise this world. So much for the power of Nature, when the power of Flames can consume it all.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:57 .


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Tsk. Environmentalism is so destructive.

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Brainwashing is the most destructive thing, the indoctrination of children; and this is the specialty of religion: programming hate and ignorance for adulthood. It's designed to bend people to another's will. It's like a prison, the worst there is, and why we're still preparing ourselves in America for yet another nutjob to bomb us. All in the name of god.

Until the sky gods die, we'll never move on.

Modifié par slimgrin, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:01 .


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slimgrin wrote...

Brainwashing is the most destructive thing, the indoctrination of children; and this is the specialty of religion: programming hate and ignorance for adulthood. It's designed to bend people to another's will. It's like a prison, the worst there is, and why we're still preparing ourselves in America for yet another nutjob to bomb us. All in the name of god.

Until the sky gods die, we'll never move on.


Yawn. We'd never move on even if the sky gods die. Enough scapegoating of human nature.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Brainwashing is the most destructive thing, the indoctrination of children; and this is the specialty of religion: programming hate and ignorance for adulthood. It's designed to bend people to another's will. It's like a prison, the worst there is, and why we're still preparing ourselves in America for yet another nutjob to bomb us. All in the name of god.

Until the sky gods die, we'll never move on.


Yawn. We'd never move on even if the sky gods die. Enough scapegoating of human nature.


You admit it's human nature, not a sky god?

Modifié par slimgrin, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:36 .


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slimgrin wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Brainwashing is the most destructive thing, the indoctrination of children; and this is the specialty of religion: programming hate and ignorance for adulthood. It's designed to bend people to another's will. It's like a prison, the worst there is, and why we're still preparing ourselves in America for yet another nutjob to bomb us. All in the name of god.

Until the sky gods die, we'll never move on.


Yawn. We'd never move on even if the sky gods die. Enough scapegoating of human nature.


You admit it's human nature, not a sky god?


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Congratulations on missing the point entirely.

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You're awfully hostile here, slimgrim.

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're awfully hostile here, slimgrim.


I'm not; I'm being confrontational and honest. The fastest way to a resolution.

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slimgrin wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're awfully hostile here, slimgrim.


I'm not; I'm being confrontational and honest. The fastest way to a resolution.


So fast a resolution will not occur .....

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slimgrin wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're awfully hostile here, slimgrim.


I'm not; I'm being confrontational and honest. The fastest way to a resolution.


Well, it isn't really helping your case. I've seen other Atheists on here who are less confrontational, and it seems people are more willing to listen to them.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're awfully hostile here, slimgrim.


I'm not; I'm being confrontational and honest. The fastest way to a resolution.


So fast a resolution will not occur .....


You're right about that, as 2000 + yrs of history can attest. Free will may never conquer our own genes. A biological fate...

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slimgrin wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're awfully hostile here, slimgrim.


I'm not; I'm being confrontational and honest. The fastest way to a resolution.


So fast a resolution will not occur .....


You're right about that, as 2000 + yrs of history can attest. Free will may never conquer our own genes. A biological fate...


Hahaha. Free will, even being largely an illusion,  is part of the problem....

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I know I'm going to regret this but: How so ?

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Saaziel wrote...

I know I'm going to regret this but: How so ?


Genes, that's how. Our genes steer us through life. Not a comforting thought, but likely true.

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"How so" what? Kind of vague there.

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My previous post was directed at VolusWarlord.

My apologies , i should have quoted him. As for Genes steering us through life; I think those are strong words. Not that i disagree, but genes aren't the "end of everything" when it comes to decision making.

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"How so" what? Kind of vague there.


Again i should have quoted Volus. I was, primarily ,focused on how "free will" (whatever that may be) is part of the problem.

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're awfully hostile here, slimgrim.


I'm not; I'm being confrontational and honest. The fastest way to a resolution.


Well, it isn't really helping your case. I've seen other Atheists on here who are less confrontational, and it seems people are more willing to listen to them.


Because they're being ******, not because they are right. The time for sidestepping around assumed authority and rituals is over. Religion doesn't get a free pass anymore, it gets the same scrutiny as anything else, no matter if it prods its followers into a frenzy. The same hard logic that applies to gravity applies to the sky gods.

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Saaziel wrote...

I know I'm going to regret this but: How so ?


The pursuit of "free will" only ends in acts of gross irresponsibilty-be it financial, sexual, or otherwise. People believe their free will gives them right to act as if their actions had no consequences. It leads to blatant lack of foresight.

Free will promotes mankind's largest faults- the willingness to sacrifice the well being or even the lives others to promote personal goals and motives, and the gross self-righteousness which only ends in scapegoating and hatred.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

I know I'm going to regret this but: How so ?


The pursuit of "free will" only ends in acts of gross irresponsibilty-be it financial, sexual, or otherwise.


Then we probably have a completely different understanding of free will.

From my experience people usually justify their excesses due to the lack of free will ; "I was drunk", "didn't mean it" , "I wasn't my self" and so on. Also the notion of "pursuing free will" is rather odd , as you're either in a position to make a decisions , or not ; Pursuit implies a dissociation of sort, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

If you could source some reading material where Free will is used as a mechanism to sever consequences to actions, it might be useful to this discussion.

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Saaziel wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

I know I'm going to regret this but: How so ?


The pursuit of "free will" only ends in acts of gross irresponsibilty-be it financial, sexual, or otherwise.


Then we probably have a completely different understanding of free will.

From my experience people usually justify their excesses due to the lack of free will ; "I was drunk", "didn't mean it" , "I wasn't my self" and so on. Also the notion of "pursuing free will" is rather odd , as you're either in a position to make a decisions , or not ; Pursuit implies a dissociation of sort, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

If you could source some reading material where Free will is used as a mechanism to sever consequences to actions, it might be useful to this discussion.


Those are examples of self-righteousness-in this circumstance people using their free will to euphemize their account of their actions. They chose to be drunk, they chose do it, and they attempt to make it seem as if that is not so that they do not have to bear the consequences of their actions. Rather than confessing and accepting responsibility, they elude it in any way they possibly can because they aren't that bad a person. Ha.

Also, "I'll do it because I can" or " I'll do as I damn well please." Don't tell you've never heard those ones.

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They chose to be drunk, they chose do it, and they attempt to make it seem as if that is not so that they do not have to bear the consequences of their actions.


Right , but if they had no choice but to get drunk ; Would you have held them responsible (And if so how)?

Or to put it an other way: Say I shoot you in the leg. Either i did so deliberately: of my own free will ,or i had no choice but to shoot you : Its in my Genes. The consequences are there one way or an other.


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Also, "I'll do it because I can" or " I'll do as I damn well please." Don't tell you've never heard those ones.


Yes , but never as a method to disassociate one self from the consequence to be had. In fact quite the opposite.

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Saaziel wrote...

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They chose to be drunk, they chose do it, and they attempt to make it seem as if that is not so that they do not have to bear the consequences of their actions.


Right , but if they had no choice but to get drunk ; Would you have held them responsible (And if so how)?

Or to put it an other way: Say I shoot you in the leg. Either i did so deliberately: of my own free will ,or i had no choice but to shoot you : Its in my Genes. The consequences are there one way or an other.


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Also, "I'll do it because I can" or " I'll do as I damn well please." Don't tell you've never heard those ones.


Yes , but never as a method to disassociate one self from the consequence to be had. In fact quite the opposite.


Ha. Placing it on genetics is a bunch of liberal anti-responsibility bull****.

You're right, the genes force alcohol down people's throats and force them to acquire firearms, point them at another human, and pull the trigger. I should rob someone and tell the jury my genes made me do it.

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If you're going to criticize genetics then you can do away with stem cell research and its numerous applications. Again, in the name of god, someone must stay paralyzed, they must live a with a faulty organ he bestowed them with in the first place.

Is that supposed to be a sick joke? He's got quite the sense of humor. Even I'm not that morbid.

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slimgrin wrote...

If you're going to criticize genetics then you can do away with stem cell research and its numerous applications. Again, in the name of god, someone must stay paralyzed, they must live a with a faulty organ he bestowed them with in the first place.

Is that supposed to be some sick joke? He's got quite the sense of humor.


You're a jackass. I criticized citing genetics as an excuse for grossly irresponsible behavior, because that is utterly weak and stupid.

Stem cell research is intended to find alternative treatments (or treatments if none exist) to physical ailments. Do you think they are for behavioral study?

The two are not related. 

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Volus Warlord wrote...

Ha. Placing it on genetics is a bunch of liberal anti-responsibility bull****.

You're right, the genes force alcohol down people's throats and force them to acquire firearms, point them at another human, and pull the trigger.


To quote someone you might know...


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Congratulations on missing the point entirely.




Whether Genes control aggressivity /violent tendencies / substance dependence isn't my point.

What I'd like to know , from you, is : If Free will is an argument made by people to dissociate themselves from the consequence of their action , then how do we go about concluding  what or who's responsible?

Either I can chose to do something , i.e.  Free will , or I can't  due to some form of determinism (Genes or whatever).

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I should rob someone and tell the jury my genes made me do it.


My brain made me do it.

FYI : I'm out for a bit. I'll reply at some later time.