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[biotic boom]

Think about it, in mass effect 1: Adept's had no weapon training and only had light armor. they had to rely on their biotic, but biotic were very basic and had very long cooldown times!
 Mass effect 2: biotic powers are much better, cooldowns are much shorter and also armor wasn't a big thing. And also their get an extra weapon on the colloctor ship!
 Mass effect 3: Adept's get to choose any two weapons they want (e.g: shotgun and sniper rifle) and plus most of the powers from mass effect 2 (i guess) plus more bioware will add in. And considering branching trees now allow you to upgrade a biotic power up to SIX times!!

so if you think about, ME: worse class, ME2: 3rd, 4th best, ME3: looks like the best!!!

[DCarter]

I disagree although it largely depends on what difficulty your playing on. However higher difficulties make biotics more and more redundant because of all the protections enemies have preventing you from using them.

[Biotic Sage]

Inb4 "Nuh uh! Adpets in ME2 were WAY worse than in ME1!!!"

This will of course lead to: "Get rid of global cooldowns! Go back to ME1 system!"

Which of course will in turn lead to: "ME1 is better and is a TRUE RPG: ME2 sucked."

I love the Adept though, it's my favorite class. I think it's looking really good in ME3 from what I've seen.

[Reptillius]

DCarter wrote...

I disagree although it largely depends on what difficulty your playing on. However higher difficulties make biotics more and more redundant because of all the protections enemies have preventing you from using them.

This is actually incorrect. Just because you didn't get the full affect of them doesn't mean they didn't work.  Even in the console version you can still cast them on targets and do some damage to them. some are better for this than others.

[biotic boom]

i can see were this is going, please don't start with the insults, i only posted this because i was bored!

[Hawkeye121]

   Funny enough I actually have an ME1 Adept that I have yet to play-through ME2 with so I really can't say much about ME2 Adept gameplay. However I recently completed the SM with my Sentinel and I can safely say that the Sentinel class is one of my favorites next to the Soldier class. The Sentinel has the perfect blend of Tech, Biotic and Weapon training.
   Anyway I agree with the OP, having seen almost all the PAX coverage I think BW has definitely made a positive improvement to the classes that they showed.

-Hawk

[AdmiralCheez]

Adept was the worst class in ME1?

So levitating entire battalions of enemies at once is a bad thing?

[RyuujinZERO]

I couldn't dig adepts myself in ME2 because the only difficulty mode that was remotely challenging was Insanity and EVERYTHING had so much protection (And protection stripping wasn't exactly the adept's strong suite) that by the time they were vulnerable to your control effects they were already good as dead.

In ME3 at least from what I've seen of the tooltips skills do have *some* effect besides damage vs protected foes so Adept in ME3 is gonna be better than they were in ME2, and Adepts have never been "bad" even in ME1

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 05 septembre 2011 - 07:32 .

[mango smoothie]

Their is no such thing as worse class. I've seen people play with a class that other people think is horrible and do better than they could with a class they think is the best. It all depends on what fits your play style. .

[JediMaster_Murph]

mango smoothie wrote...

Their is no such thing as worse class. I've seen people play with a class that other people think is horrible and do better than they could with a class they think is the best. It all depends on what fits your play style. .

bingo:happy:

[adonfraz]

mango smoothie wrote...

There is no such thing as worst class. I've seen people play with a class that other people think is horrible and do better than they could with a class they think is the best. It all depends on what fits your play style. .

There is a such thing as a "The worst class", just like there are tiers in fighting games you can tier classes. Yes, different players excel at different playstyles, but you can still look at a class objectively (killing speed, durablilty, learning curve) and compare it to others.

[JonnyOwen]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Adept was the worst class in ME1?

So levitating entire battalions of enemies at once is a bad thing?

To me it was much easier to just shoot them...

[Mand0l1n]

Ok then, objectively the adept still isn't the worst class in me2.

[AdmiralCheez]

JonnyOwen wrote...

To me it was much easier to just shoot them...

Easier, certainly, but much less satisfying.

The ME2 adept, I like, but the ME1 adept certainly didn't suck.

ME3 adept though nflkgksfglkfsdjflksdjf need to play it so bad.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 05 septembre 2011 - 07:48 .

[Someone With Mass]

Dat biotic palm strike.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

I laughed my way through Insanity with an adept in ME1. In fact, I ended up accidentally iron-manning it. I found the process more...laborious in ME2 with the adept. I've seen my experiences and reactions in a hundred different threads, though. The main thing was the ability of biotics to penetrate any amount of shields and armor.

I enjoyed the gameplay of ME2 more overall, but I didn't see the power level of the adept increasing with the second game.

[CroGamer002]

ME1 Adept is boring.

Just spam your Biotics and victory in few seconds.

[The Spamming Troll]

OP, FYI, the adepts had the best weapon in the game from the start. i think ME1 adept > ME2 adept, even with warp bombs.

im glad with what
ive seen with the adepts in ME3. it makes me feel like the complaining
was warranted, and it makes alot of other people look foolish, thinking
ME2s aproach was actually the best.

Reptillius wrote...

DCarter wrote...

I disagree although it largely depends on what difficulty your playing on. However higher difficulties make biotics more and more redundant because of all the protections enemies have preventing you from using them.

This is actually incorrect. Just because you didn't get the full affect of them doesn't mean they didn't work.  Even in the console version you can still cast them on targets and do some damage to them. some are better for this than others.

not really, at all. heavy throw launching someone across the room isnt comparable to a half second stagger. also nobodys using throw, to be some kind of poor mans warp.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 05 septembre 2011 - 08:01 .

[The Spamming Troll]

Mesina2 wrote...

ME1 Adept is boring.

Just spam your Biotics and victory in few seconds.

i always thought ME1 soldier is boring. activate immunity, stand in center of room and point reticule at enemy while holding down right trigger, end game.

not that i care about the soldiers gameplay er anything.

[adonfraz]

Mesina2 wrote...

ME1 Adept is boring.

Just spam your Biotics and victory in few seconds.

ME1 Soldier is boring.

Just spam Immunity and victory in few seconds.

ME1 Vanguard/Sentinel is boring.

Just spam your Biotics and victory in few seconds.

ME1 Infiltrator is boring.

Just spam Immunity/Tech mines

ME1 Engineer is boring.

Just spam Tech mines.

All classes and ME1 were broken and could spam 1-3 powers to win effortlessly.

[ODST 3]

I liked all the classes in ME2 but the biotic ones have a lot of trouble against shielded enemies, which most all of them are on Insanity playthroughs.

[Someone With Mass]

adonfraz wrote...

ME1 Soldier is boring.

Just spam Immunity and victory in few seconds.

ME1 Vanguard/Sentinel is boring.

Just spam your Biotics and victory in few seconds.

ME1 Infiltrator is boring.

Just spam Immunity/Tech mines

ME1 Engineer is boring.

Just spam Tech mines.

All classes and ME1 were broken and could spam 1-3 powers to win effortlessly.

Sad, but true.

Which is why I never feel motivated to replay ME1. It's just so boring to the point where it feels longer than ME2, but it isn't.

[adonfraz]

Mand0l1n wrote...

Ok then, objectively the adept still isn't the worst class in me2.

Name a worst class then? (Hardcore/Insanity) Or just agree to disagee.

Modifié par adonfraz, 05 septembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[Balek-Vriege]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

DCarter wrote...

I disagree although it largely depends on what difficulty your playing on. However higher difficulties make biotics more and more redundant because of all the protections enemies have preventing you from using them.

This is actually incorrect. Just because you didn't get the full affect of them doesn't mean they didn't work.  Even in the console version you can still cast them on targets and do some damage to them. some are better for this than others.

not really, at all. heavy throw launching someone across the room isnt comparable to a half second stagger. also nobodys using throw, to be some kind of poor mans warp.

ME1 adept > ME2 adept, even with warp bombs.

im glad with what ive seen with the adepts in ME3. it makes me feel like the complaining was warranted, and it makes alot of other people look foolish, thinking ME2s aproach was actually the best.

Not sure a lot of people thought it was the best way to implement Adept in ME2.  Many just thought it was better than ME1 and/or weren't buying the whole Adept sucks/is useless because it's harder to play now.  That doesn't make them fools, it makes them realists.  They're all probably happy with the ME3 additions too (including me).

ME1 Adept was broken (in a godly way), overpowered and gimicky.  ME2 Adept was limited and ineffective vs defenses unless you built it one way, but was more fleshed out and balanced overall.  Basically all ME2 Adept needed was a bit better secondary effects vs. defended enemies, a bit more damage and better CC/debuff options.  They seem to be getting all of that in ME3 in very interesting ways.

[No Snakes Alive]

Engineer was unquestionably the worst class in Mass Effect as it was the only one without any form of defensive power. One random rocket to the face and you're dead. Since Immunity was even better than Barrier when it came to eating rockets for breakfast and Tech Mines were just as good for CC as Biotics if not better, I'd argue that Infiltrators were easily the best class in ME when properly spec'd. That might be up for argument but for anyone to claim another class besides Engineer was the worst in the game would be one heck of a stretch of the imagination.

In ME2 things I think it's up for debate which class is the "best" or "worst" if there even is one, but I'd put the Engineer up as the former this time around for sure. Combat Drone was gdlk.

Anyway, Adepts still don't appeal to me. Even Soldiers have surpassed them when it comes to anticipation levels for ME3. I will say Overpower and their heavy melee look pretty sweet though, so anyone who likes Adepts to begin with should be pretty hyped as far as I can tell.