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[Moonshadow_Dark]

Morroian wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

It's just a set up. Chances are Arrival will never be mentioned at the trial due to the invasion and to keep it fair to newcomers.

So why is Shepard on trial? Why didn't the reapers invade early?

It could be Cerberus suing for Shepard stealing their ship.

As for the whyh the Reapers didn't invade early, it does take a good while to travel across several galaxies to attack Earth.

[didymos1120]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

As for the whyh the Reapers didn't invade early, it does take a good while to travel across several galaxies to attack Earth.

Several galaxies?

[Moonshadow_Dark]

didymos1120 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

As for the whyh the Reapers didn't invade early, it does take a good while to travel across several galaxies to attack Earth.

Several galaxies?

Dark Space is far and who says the Reapers don't feel like stopping by a few worlds to warm up for Earth?

[Leonia]

There's nothing IN dark space. That's why it's dark.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

leonia42 wrote...

There's nothing IN dark space. That's why it's dark.

I was actually talking about systems like the Tau Cluster and such.

[didymos1120]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

As for the whyh the Reapers didn't invade early, it does take a good while to travel across several galaxies to attack Earth.

Several galaxies?

Dark Space is far and who says the Reapers don't feel like stopping by a few worlds to warm up for Earth?

OK, see, there just one galaxy to cross: the Milky Way (and they don't even have to traverse the entire thing to reach Earth).

[Leonia]

Artemis Tau cluster? That's IN our galaxy. They'd have to travel through dark space, find a relay, and travel via relay network to get there.

[DarthSliver]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

alperez wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...



I've already explained how the trial may not even mention Arrival at all. It is simply a plot device to get Shepard on Earth for the invasion. Without the trial device, it would just confuse the player as to why Shepard would be on Earth rather than on Illium recruiting the Asari warfleet or going to the Citadel with his proof. The trial is just a device. It has no purpose than to set the scene.

My understanding is that we're on trial because of arrival, not for any other reason, sure other issues may come up but its arrival mainly.

It's just a set up. Chances are Arrival will never be mentioned at the trial due to the invasion and to keep it fair to newcomers.

Hell ME3 may actually come with a free download for Arrival that is playable on ME 3.

I dont know but maybe Arrival wouldve been a better Prologue mission for ME3 than a ME2 DLC, just a thought there.

[Leonia]

Maybe people should be able to play ME3 without playing any prologue content, oh wait they can.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

didymos1120 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

As for the whyh the Reapers didn't invade early, it does take a good while to travel across several galaxies to attack Earth.

Several galaxies?

Dark Space is far and who says the Reapers don't feel like stopping by a few worlds to warm up for Earth?

OK, see, there just one galaxy to cross: the Milky Way (and they don't even have to traverse the entire thing to reach Earth).

/shrug

They could hit up Mars or something. I'm just spitballing. Bioware is the one with the script. If you want the hard details, ask Hudson.

All I know is the Trial is just the set up to put Shepard on Earth during the invasion so he sees the carnage first hand and go "Human colonies are one thing. But you attack my HOMEWORLD? /sunglasses <bleep> got real."

[shiftylookingspacecow]

So what's the issue here? ME3 assumes you played arrival if you really did or not, because nothing about it changes from player to player. Nobody is "forcing" anything on you. If you feel so pressured, just buy the dlc! If you think you're being "cheated" because BioWare is "making" you pay money for extra content, then don't.

[Someone With Mass]

leonia42 wrote...

Maybe people should be able to play ME3 without playing any prologue content, oh wait they can.

And this is where the thread should be closed.

[JedTed]

If you care about the story that much then why not cough up the money and buy it? Unless your dirt poor then there are plenty of walkthrough videos you can watch if you wanna be caught up on everything.

[Xewaka]

leonia42 wrote...
Maybe people should be able to play ME3 without playing any prologue content, oh wait they can.

But then there's a clear jump in storyline that didn't happen from vanilla ME 1 to vanilla ME 2. In ME 2 to ME 3, the game's still functional, but the plot is showing a clear hole.
I consider DLC no different from a novel or a comic from a plot regard. They might expand the background and offer new insights on the setting, but they should not be plot critical for the main continuity. Otherwise the optional content stops being optional.

[DarthSliver]

shiftylookingspacecow wrote...

So what's the issue here? ME3 assumes you played arrival if you really did or not, because nothing about it changes from player to player. Nobody is "forcing" anything on you. If you feel so pressured, just buy the dlc! If you think you're being "cheated" because BioWare is "making" you pay money for extra content, then don't.

Well this ^^ statement is why Arrival should be a Prologue because either way the ending is the same. Arrival happens whether you pay for the DLC or not. 

[Xewaka]

DarthSliver wrote...

shiftylookingspacecow wrote...
So what's the issue here? ME3 assumes you played arrival if you really did or not, because nothing about it changes from player to player. Nobody is "forcing" anything on you. If you feel so pressured, just buy the dlc! If you think you're being "cheated" because BioWare is "making" you pay money for extra content, then don't.

Well this ^^ statement is why Arrival should be a Prologue because either way the ending is the same. Arrival happens whether you pay for the DLC or not.

And who did it? Because my Shepard didn't. Optional content should not be this plot critical.

[Grey34]

why are we argueing about this i would think this is no brainer. have anyone notice that op hasn't replied in a while?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Grey34 wrote...

why are we argueing about this i would think this is no brainer. have anyone notice that op hasn't replied in a while?

Mordin : "Sometimes I fall asleep."

[Leonia]

Xewaka wrote...

leonia42 wrote...
Maybe people should be able to play ME3 without playing any prologue content, oh wait they can.

But then there's a clear jump in storyline that didn't happen from vanilla ME 1 to vanilla ME 2. In ME 2 to ME 3, the game's still functional, but the plot is showing a clear hole.
I consider DLC no different from a novel or a comic from a plot regard. They might expand the background and offer new insights on the setting, but they should not be plot critical for the main continuity. Otherwise the optional content stops being optional.

That plot hole is filled by your wallet, otherwise you get the vanila version of events that folks who skipped both ME1 and ME2 will get when they play ME3. Don't like DLC? Fine, but don't complain you're missing out. It's still optional content, the events are just canon and will be explained in a more brief, less fantastic fashion in ME3. You're not missing anything beyond experiencing the extra content first-hand. Your Shepard still did the events of LotSB and Arrival, they are as plot critical as playing ME1 and ME2 before ME3. It's still completely possible to understand and play through the events of ME3 without the optional DLC, you'll just not be as "clued in" as those who did.. kind of like skipping the comics/novels, ironically.

[Someone With Mass]

You've basically just skipped/missed a chapter if you haven't bought the DLC. Simple.

[KotorEffect3]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

7 f***ing pages.........

I know. And the last two have been arguing about "forced canon" which has no real impact on the storyline what so ever.


Are we really this bored?

Nah.. these forums are just caught in a loop.  We'll still be having the same conversations until march.  I might just start keeping some default responses ready to be copy/pasted.  Would save so much time.

Collector base,P vs R, Femshep being female, what do we want,what do we fear,how will we win, etc.

They do end up being the same conversations with the same points being brought up... I disapprove.

At least stuff like the Collector base and the Paragon vs Renegade is actualy pretty fun to get into.  What I can't stand is the same 3 or 4 threads every week where people start whining about marketing.

[Heimdall]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

7 f***ing pages.........

I know. And the last two have been arguing about "forced canon" which has no real impact on the storyline what so ever.


Are we really this bored?

Nah.. these forums are just caught in a loop.  We'll still be having the same conversations until march.  I might just start keeping some default responses ready to be copy/pasted.  Would save so much time.

Collector base,P vs R, Femshep being female, what do we want,what do we fear,how will we win, etc.

They do end up being the same conversations with the same points being brought up... I disapprove.

At least stuff like the Collector base and the Paragon vs Renegade is actualy pretty fun to get into.  What I can't stand is the same 3 or 4 threads every week where people start whining about marketing.

  People don't like to pay money, it's a normal human condition.  They will look for every opportunity to complain about having to shell out cash.

[Wulfram]

It's pretty bizarre to have the most important event in the series since the Battle of the Citadel be in a crappy overpriced DLC rather than a proper game.

Modifié par Wulfram, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:12 .

[Gambit1st]

Xewaka wrote...
But then there's a clear jump in storyline that didn't happen from vanilla ME 1 to vanilla ME 2. In ME 2 to ME 3, the game's still functional, but the plot is showing a clear hole.
I consider DLC no different from a novel or a comic from a plot regard. They might expand the background and offer new insights on the setting, but they should not be plot critical for the main continuity. Otherwise the optional content stops being optional.

The plot always shows holes. There was one between ME1 and ME2 where a particular Shepard was doing stuff despite the 'player' not controlling him. Then there should be one between ME2 and ME3 and Bioware decided to flesh out a part in the form of Arrival.
Technically this DLC is merely a form of 'gap' being brought to life. There is nothing you can really do there, so the only reason they made it is to give you an idea of how things became like that. They could`ve just as well not tell you and summarize it later on in ME3, but they decided to make it somewhat more 'real' to the player.
At least, that`s how it comes across to me; the result is the same, they just show it to you and give you an option to play through it instead of watching it as a cutscene.

And that`s pretty much what it is, a playable cutscene. Kind of like how you got one in the beginning of ME2, where you had to rescue Joker. Is it canon? Most probably. Is it necessary to make it a DLC? Most probably not. But it was probably a bit too long to include in ME3, so they made it a DLC.