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[Sajuro]

littlezack wrote...

Cluith wrote...

And basically, the ending of ME2 is a DLC and we, sheeps gamers, do have to buy and play it because it's part of the main story?

.. What a shame.

A - No, it's not the ending to ME2. It's more like a prologue to ME3.
B- You don't have to play it. ME3 starts the same way regardless of whether you played it or not.
C-...nevermind, I don't need a C.

I need a C.
C- Sheep is the plural of Sheep, you can have a flock of sheep but not a flock of Sheeps. You can have a group of men, not a group of mans
stopped taking you seriously at Sheeps

[RoboticWater]

Cluith wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

He proposes he should get the product of a lot of other people's work for free. The OP basically thinks he deserves slaves.

ROFL.   "Shut up and take mah money Bioware!' - Fanboys.

 (Grabbing money) "Shut up and take my hard work! And you had better have fun with it" -Bioware

Modifié par BlahDog, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:37 .

[Cluith]

Merci357 wrote...

Cluith wrote...

ME3 story starts after Arrival, so It's obviously a main event in the storyline of the ME trilogy. Nothing to do with ME2 story? Ok so why is this a DLC for... ME2?
If a DLC takes place in a main event of the story in which the beginning of ME3 is based, it's not an additional content, it's selling a game in kit.

But it's no main event at all. It's an event -that happens regardless if you play it or not- that delayed the reaper invasion by a few month. You know, the invasion ME3 is about. It just fills a gap - it's no different to LotSB or Overlord (only not as good). Nothing more, nothing less. What's wrong with this? It's optional - you don't like it, or don't want to support DLC? Don't buy it. But don't feel entitled to additional content you don't want to pay for.

Ok let's resume. ME3 start :
Place: Earth
Reason why you are here: Because you have blown up an entire Batarian system in Arrival.

So basically, Arrival set the context of the beginning of ME3. 

It's not optional. You've played Arrival or not, nothing changes.

[littlezack]

Cluith wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

He proposes he should get the product of a lot of other people's work for free. The OP basically thinks he deserves slaves.

ROFL.   "Shut up and take mah money Bioware!' - Fanboys.

Did you really start up an account here just for this? Was your day that boring?

[Sajuro]

BlahDog wrote...

Cluith wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

He proposes he should get the product of a lot of other people's work for free. The OP basically thinks he deserves slaves.

ROFL.   "Shut up and take mah money Bioware!' - Fanboys.

 (Grabbing money) "Shut up and take my hard work! And you had better have fun with it" -Bioware

"Shut up and kiss me" -unsourced
couldn't resist

[CaptainZaysh]

Cluith wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

He proposes he should get the product of a lot of other people's work for free. The OP basically thinks he deserves slaves.

ROFL.   "Shut up and take mah money Bioware!' - Fanboys.

You might find this enlightening

[RPGamer13]

It should have been in the final project and not a DLC. I also think the same of Kasumi and Lair of the Shadow broker.

[CaptainZaysh]

RPGamer13 wrote...

It should have been in the final project and not a DLC. I also think the same of Kasumi and Lair of the Shadow broker.

Why?

[Sgt Stryker]

Cluith wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

He proposes he should get the product of a lot of other people's work for free. The OP basically thinks he deserves slaves.

ROFL.   "Shut up and take mah money Bioware!' - Fanboys.

"Shut up and make your game the way I want it to be made!" - Amateur video game critics

[Cluith]

BlahDog wrote...

Cluith wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

He proposes he should get the product of a lot of other people's work for free. The OP basically thinks he deserves slaves.

ROFL.   "Shut up and take mah money Bioware!' - Fanboys.

 (Grabbing money) "Shut up and take my hard work! And you had better have fun with it" -Bioware

Yep, poor Bioware. EA probably doesn't give them enough money to do self-sufficient games. That's why they sell additional content for games that are already filled with a lot of content, like ME2 and DA2.

[G0ldmember]

47 minute(s) ago
Cluith wrote a new topic So.. ME3 starts after Arrival.
56 minute(s) ago
Cluith signed up.

Obvious Troll is Obvious

Modifié par G0ldmember, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:46 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Cluith wrote...

Yep, poor Bioware. EA probably doesn't give them enough money to do self-sufficient games. That's why they sell additional content for games that are already filled with a lot of content, like ME2 and DA2.

Define "self-sufficient".

[MACharlie1]

Cluith wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

Cluith wrote...

ME3 story starts after Arrival, so It's obviously a main event in the storyline of the ME trilogy. Nothing to do with ME2 story? Ok so why is this a DLC for... ME2?
If a DLC takes place in a main event of the story in which the beginning of ME3 is based, it's not an additional content, it's selling a game in kit.

But it's no main event at all. It's an event -that happens regardless if you play it or not- that delayed the reaper invasion by a few month. You know, the invasion ME3 is about. It just fills a gap - it's no different to LotSB or Overlord (only not as good). Nothing more, nothing less. What's wrong with this? It's optional - you don't like it, or don't want to support DLC? Don't buy it. But don't feel entitled to additional content you don't want to pay for.

Ok let's resume. ME3 start :
Place: Earth
Reason why you are here: Because you have blown up an entire Batarian system in Arrival.

So basically, Arrival set the context of the beginning of ME3. 

It's not optional. You've played Arrival or not, nothing changes.

Actually. I believe you are incorrect. The game adjusts to whether you completed it or not. 

I'm guessing if you didn't blow up the system then you go to trial for working for Cerberus - a terrorist organization. 

[RoboticWater]

RPGamer13 wrote...

It should have been in the final project and not a DLC. I also think the same of Kasumi and Lair of the Shadow broker.

It would have been nice but publishers pressure developers to finish the game within the releas date and this would have moved it too close for comfort. Also DLC is nice for expirimentation, like the one man missions and the car chase in LoTSB, had these been made during the game cycle they would be less original

[TuringPoint]

No one has to buy it. You may be given the option of making the decisions you would've made in Arrival, retrospectively in ME3. It does start with a trial.

Or they - more likely - have default choices for those who didn't buy and play the DLC on their Shepard. Another scenario is that none of the choices make a substantial difference in terms of plot.

Overall I think it's better to have DLC which makes a difference down the line, though. While a little bit cheap to those who don't buy it, those who do buy it are given something a little more substantial than another hour of gameplay.

The principle of a trilogy of games with choices that have consequences throughout the trilogy is not dissimilar to having choices in DLC that matter.  If you choose to skip a game in the trilogy, you still get the full game, without the benefits of having played the previous games.

Not trying to invalidate your opinion, just counter it.

Modifié par Alocormin, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:51 .

[RoboticWater]

Cluith wrote...


Yep, poor Bioware. EA probably doesn't give them enough money to do self-sufficient games. That's why they sell additional content for games that are already filled with a lot of content, like ME2 and DA2.

DLC is not part of the original game, thus meaning you are paying for a separate development.

[marshalleck]

Cluith wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Cluith wrote...

And basically, the ending of ME2 is a DLC and we, sheeps gamers, do have to buy and play it because it's part of the main story?

.. What a shame.

A - No, it's not the ending to ME2. It's more like a prologue to ME3.
B- You don't have to play it. ME3 starts the same way regardless of whether you played it or not.
C-...nevermind, I don't need a C.

A- It's a main event in the storyline. Don't you know that DLCs are supposed to be additional content, not prologues.
B- Thank you for telling me that I don't have to play it, I really did not know that. But my Shepard will start ME3 in a trial accused to have blown up a system but he does not remember because he did not play a DLC. " In your face b*tch !" - Bioware.

Bioware have never made a secret of their intent to deliver bridging content between games. Too bad you missed them repeatedly saying this. Pay attention next time.

[Shrayev]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Cluith wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

He proposes he should get the product of a lot of other people's work for free. The OP basically thinks he deserves slaves.

ROFL.   "Shut up and take mah money Bioware!' - Fanboys.

"Shut up and make your game the way I want it to be made!" - Amateur video game critics

QFT.

[douchemode] Cluith, as a adorable as your misguided post was, it's been pretty thoroughly shot down. [/douchemode]

To be honest, I hear where you're coming from. It's clearly an important part of the story, and the only way to experience it is in by buying the DLC. They clearly couldn't have put it into ME2 beforehand though (no time), and putting this directly into ME3 doesn't really matter much.

True, it'd mean we didn't have to buy it as DLC, but it's not a big deal. It's not the main focus of ME3, it's simply (as others have said) the prologue to a plot device allowing us to rejoin the alliance and account for our actions in ME2. 

It's more related to ME2, when you look at it that way. 

[littlezack]

marshalleck wrote...

Cluith wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Cluith wrote...

And basically, the ending of ME2 is a DLC and we, sheeps gamers, do have to buy and play it because it's part of the main story?

.. What a shame.

A - No, it's not the ending to ME2. It's more like a prologue to ME3.
B- You don't have to play it. ME3 starts the same way regardless of whether you played it or not.
C-...nevermind, I don't need a C.

A- It's a main event in the storyline. Don't you know that DLCs are supposed to be additional content, not prologues.
B- Thank you for telling me that I don't have to play it, I really did not know that. But my Shepard will start ME3 in a trial accused to have blown up a system but he does not remember because he did not play a DLC. " In your face b*tch !" - Bioware.

Bioware have never made a secret of their intent to deliver bridging content between games. Too bad you missed them repeatedly saying this. Pay attention next time.

I distinctly remember people being pissed off that ME1 didn't have more DLC, too. So what do they do with ME2? Make a ****-ton more DLC. And people complain.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

J-Sheridan wrote...

Dont play or buy arrival, remain blissfully ignorant of the stupidity contained within that DLC.

+1 if you feel so mad about it OP, even though my troll sensors are getting a weak blip. Honestly, you're actually not missing much.

w/o getting too in on it, Arrival felt like it was a way to finish up that little bit of development capital so EA would give BW their next tranche of financing for ME3.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 06 septembre 2011 - 01:01 .

[Cluith]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Cluith wrote...

Yep, poor Bioware. EA probably doesn't give them enough money to do self-sufficient games. That's why they sell additional content for games that are already filled with a lot of content, like ME2 and DA2.

Define "self-sufficient".

A game with enough content that you buy and enjoy it, without having to buy additional content to enjoy/understand its' story. 

When I but a +/- 60$ game, I dont expect to have to pay more to see what happens next (or beffore for ME3).
Really, I like Mass Effect but I'm not such a fanboy to let BiowEAr to do me in the arse.

[RoboticWater]

littlezack wrote...


I distinctly remember people being pissed off that ME1 didn't have more DLC, too. So what do they do with ME2? Make a ****-ton more DLC. And people complain.

Anything anyone does is both loved and hated by different people, thought it's the the ones with the problems that are heard which is sometimes a good thing. But when it comes to what Bioware does it seems the love/hate ratio is always leaning toward hate among fans.

[Izhalezan]

didymos1120 wrote...

Yes, because obviously the true ending of a game in which you spend most of your time recruiting a squad for a suicide mission isn't that suicide mission, but rather a short solo outing by Shepard.

[littlezack]

Cluith wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Cluith wrote...

Yep, poor Bioware. EA probably doesn't give them enough money to do self-sufficient games. That's why they sell additional content for games that are already filled with a lot of content, like ME2 and DA2.

Define "self-sufficient".

When I but a +/- 60$ game, I dont expect to have to pay more to see what happens next.

By that logic, buying ME1 entitles you to getting ME2 and 3 for free.