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[Ace of Dawn]

Cluith wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Sorry...if you are on an internet gaming fan forum...you are already a sheep. Purchasing DLC is just redundancy to your point.

So I guess everyone here is a Sheep and have all ME products, books, comics T-Shirts and all.

Baaaaaa!

So go forth and spread your knowledge to all the other unfortunate people in the world. Elsewhere. All whilst us sheep happily chow down on the pleasant fields.

[Ace of Dawn]

BluSoldier wrote...

http://objection.mrd...o.php?n=5218897

Did... Did you just make that?! That's awesome! I think you just became my new personal hero!

[TuringPoint]

didymos1120 wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

You may be given the option of making the decisions you would've made in Arrival, retrospectively in ME3.

There aren't any decisions, other than what your tone is during conversations.  The only one thing that even comes close is that you can attempt to warn the batarians, but Kenson cuts you off and nothing comes of it.

There's also whether you were detected at the base before freeing kenson, although.  Meh.  

This is why I included other possibilities besides this one.  Wasn't positive there were any choices that could've mattered to include in ME3.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

All DLC has no real impact on the overall story. You don't need to know who the new Shadow Broker is, you don't need to meet Kasumi, you don't even need to know about the trial. Hell new players might think the trial is about Cerberus suing you for stealing their ship. Doesn't matter at all. It's just there if you want to see it. That's it.

Remember Sky is Falling or whatever? Had no impact what so ever on the suicide mission. But if you bought it, you got a little nod to it. Same deal. If you didn't get Arrival, you'd just start the game in a court room with the jury about to deliver the verdict when *BOOM!* Reaper attack.

That's it.

[TuringPoint]

I think it can be said it won't make a difference whether you get this DLC or not, in ME3, besides getting to experience an interesting episode in Shepard's development as a character personally.

[Morroian]

Cluith wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Cluith wrote...

- Optional ? The events on Arrival do happen, no matter what you do. You don't have any word to say on the matter ME3 considers that you have done Arrival. Do you really call this "optional"?

Yeah and no matter what you die in between ME1 and ME2, what of it.

Uhu, you die in ME2 not in a DLC. Ya know whut Im sayin?

In a non optional cut scene. Maybe there will be a cut scene at the beginning of ME3 about Arrival.

[RoboticWater]

Morroian wrote...

Cluith wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Cluith wrote...

- Optional ? The events on Arrival do happen, no matter what you do. You don't have any word to say on the matter ME3 considers that you have done Arrival. Do you really call this "optional"?

Yeah and no matter what you die in between ME1 and ME2, what of it.

Uhu, you die in ME2 not in a DLC. Ya know whut Im sayin?

In a non optional cut scene. Maybe there will be a cut scene at the beginning of ME3 about Arrival.

Considering it is a trial they will go over it in great detail and Bioware is no fool they realize that some people will not buy the DLC or even ME 2 for that matter, they know not to jump into the game just saying "yea... you did some crazy s*** back there, oh reapers" 

Modifié par BlahDog, 06 septembre 2011 - 02:00 .

[mybudgee]

Alright, perhaps I am dating myself by going with this, but here goes. Why don't some of you more "adamant" forumers think of it with this Star Wars analogy; everyone agrees that the old-skool trilogy was better, and they all know that Vader is Luke & Leia's daddy. But only the real hard core fans even care about the Kyburr crystal or how many games of Sabaac Han won to get the Millenium Falcon from Billy Dee. The main story is still ok in most people's eyes. The side stuff, while awesome, and really sweet icing on the cake, is not required. The main plot stands on its own, just like so many other examples in sci-fi and fantasy. The question is, how far down the rabbit hole do you need to go to be satisfied??

[didymos1120]

Alocormin wrote...

I think it can be said it won't make a difference whether you get this DLC or not, in ME3, besides getting to experience an interesting episode in Shepard's development as a character personally.

It'll make a difference, as they've said it would.  I highly doubt it will be a significant one though.  It'll almost certainly just be a slightly different version of the opening events of ME3.  Possibly some extra exposition to fill in those who didn't do Arrival, and some variant dialogue in places.

[mybudgee]

Btw, other than Shep using the shuriken on Dr. kenson after realizing she's a Reaper zombie, I fully enjoyed Arrival. I can't wait to see how it ties in to the first act of ME3.

[J-Sheridan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You know what, you complain alot. Arrival was just fine the way it was. 

You know what, your easily entertained.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
And why should it show up again in the rest of the game? 

An entire system gets nuked unnoticed while news reports circulate about Shepard's OTHER actions.
Yeah why should that show up, idiot ?

KotorEffect3 wrote...
How does it impact what the collectors are doing? 

How does screwing the Collector's Masters impact what they are doing... hmmm, let me think ?
How does Hackett coming aboard getting confirmation the Reapers were involved and the Collectors are their agents impact the Collectors operations... hmmm, let me think ?

Are you seriously dense or just a rabid apologist ?

KotorEffect3 wrote...
All it did was keep their reaper backup away longer. 

For the THIRD time an entire star system is wiped out which is going to create a massive storm focused on Shepard.
That is the equivelent of a foreign agent detonating a nuke in another country. The result of that action would be immense.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Besides arrival is best played after the SM anyway. 

So ?
BW made it available BEFORE the SM and even went to the trouble of putting extra dialogue in to reflect that.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You are wrong. 

Because you say so without evidence, totally convincing ?

KotorEffect3 wrote...
And reflecting DLC back in the main game is harder than you think.   

Which is why making it a DLC available BEFORE the SM where that lack or reflection would be highlighted was a serious mistake.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Arrival did it's job and that was to set the stage for ME 3

Which could easily have been done by being a cinematic or interactive prologue in ME3. Instead we get a cheap tacked on story to ME2 that might as well be a comic book.

[Annihilator27]

Ace of Dawn wrote...

BluSoldier wrote...

http://objection.mrd...o.php?n=5218897

Did... Did you just make that?! That's awesome! I think you just became my new personal hero!

/thread

[Ace of Dawn]

annihilator27 wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...

BluSoldier wrote...

http://objection.mrd...o.php?n=5218897

Did... Did you just make that?! That's awesome! I think you just became my new personal hero!

/thread

You know... I really should take a second to actually check the links for things like that. Flip side, now have something to entertain myself with for a bit.

[looloolooigotsomeapples]

You fail to realize that ME3 will fill you in on what happened. This is basically the equivalent of if they made a DLC for ME1 showing the intimate details of fighting Geth holdouts when you get hit by the Collectors - the bridge between ME1 and 2 would still make sense regardless of whether you played that DLC. Let's imagine that they didn't do Arrival . . . but kept it's story. Guess what? The bridge between ME2/3 would make sense and you would understand what you are defending at the trial. The choices in the DLC itself (or should I say choice) are inconsequential because whatever you do ends the same way. You may get a mention of it in the trial or something, but it's not something that will effect the outcome of the game. Even then, they could possibly even implement some sort of flashback thing for if you didn't do the DLC and you could make your decision from there. In conclusion, DLCs won't prove instrumental in your understanding of the story across games and there's really no legitimate complaint here.

[Freestate2nd]

I think that the trial on the beginning of mass effect 3 not only includes the events of arrival,any questionable action of shepard in the past,some homicides,some decisions may be charges in the trial! It´s a big trial,arrival it´s only a prelude of a big shepard trial,maybe cerberus cooperation in mass effect 2 is a charge of treason!

[littlezack]

J-Sheridan wrote...

For the THIRD time an entire star system is wiped out which is going to create a massive storm focused on Shepard.
That is the equivelent of a foreign agent detonating a nuke in another country. The result of that action would be immense.

The thing about Batarian space is that it's very, very insular - they're essentially cut off from the rest of the universe. Eventually, news of what happened would get off, but it's entirely possible for what happened in Arrival not to make it into the news for a while. They don't let people into their space and they try damned hard not let anyone out. 

It's the reason why nobody knows about the Reapers going through Batarian space before they hit Earth.

Modifié par littlezack, 06 septembre 2011 - 02:38 .

[kidbd15]

DLCs are like the books... they happened, regardless of whether you read them or not, just like the DLC (LotSB happens and Liara is the SB regardless of whether you played it).

As for whether Arrival takes place after ME2, not necessarily. If someone got the game today, with all DLC, Arrival can happen right after Horizon. If you take it in that context, the Reapers are traveling to Earth pretty much the whole time you play ME2, meaning you are stopping the Reapers/Collectors from abducting humans, trying to slow the Reapers down further (since they are going to Earth to abduct more humans). After the SM, Shep goes to Earth to face what he did. By that time, Reapers arrive.

[KotorEffect3]

J-Sheridan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You know what, you complain alot. Arrival was just fine the way it was. 

You know what, your easily entertained.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
And why should it show up again in the rest of the game? 

An entire system gets nuked unnoticed while news reports circulate about Shepard's OTHER actions.
Yeah why should that show up, idiot ?

KotorEffect3 wrote...
How does it impact what the collectors are doing? 

How does screwing the Collector's Masters impact what they are doing... hmmm, let me think ?
How does Hackett coming aboard getting confirmation the Reapers were involved and the Collectors are their agents impact the Collectors operations... hmmm, let me think ?

Are you seriously dense or just a rabid apologist ?

KotorEffect3 wrote...
All it did was keep their reaper backup away longer. 

For the THIRD time an entire star system is wiped out which is going to create a massive storm focused on Shepard.
That is the equivelent of a foreign agent detonating a nuke in another country. The result of that action would be immense.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Besides arrival is best played after the SM anyway. 

So ?
BW made it available BEFORE the SM and even went to the trouble of putting extra dialogue in to reflect that.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You are wrong. 

Because you say so without evidence, totally convincing ?

KotorEffect3 wrote...
And reflecting DLC back in the main game is harder than you think.   

Which is why making it a DLC available BEFORE the SM where that lack or reflection would be highlighted was a serious mistake.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Arrival did it's job and that was to set the stage for ME 3

Which could easily have been done by being a cinematic or interactive prologue in ME3. Instead we get a cheap tacked on story to ME2 that might as well be a comic book.

Did you want some cheese with that whine?  Making it available when it was, was mainly a business decision.  Yeah I would have preferred if the dialog with Hackett where he gave Shepard the mission didn't initiate until after the SM but it didn't.  Besides you can play it after the SM if the whole reflecting back into the game thing is that much of an issue for your overentitled self.  So play it after the SM problem solved.  Quit your whining it is irritating.

[KotorEffect3]

J-Sheridan wrote...

[Which could easily have been done by being a cinematic or interactive prologue in ME3..

Which you still would have complained about.

[shep82]

Arival is a good dlc that bridges the gap between the final two games IMO you should try it.

[Ace of Dawn]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

J-Sheridan wrote...

[Which could easily have been done by being a cinematic or interactive prologue in ME3..

Which you still would have complained about.

Especially consider that what happened in Arrival would be hard to properly sum up (with any sort of weight) in a cutscene.

ME3 will start with the trial regarding what happens during Arrival. You'll gain enough information to know what exactly happened, but Arrival expands upon it.

[mopotter]

Cluith wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

Cluith wrote...

ME3 story starts after Arrival, so It's obviously a main event in the storyline of the ME trilogy. Nothing to do with ME2 story? Ok so why is this a DLC for... ME2?
If a DLC takes place in a main event of the story in which the beginning of ME3 is based, it's not an additional content, it's selling a game in kit.

But it's no main event at all. It's an event -that happens regardless if you play it or not- that delayed the reaper invasion by a few month. You know, the invasion ME3 is about. It just fills a gap - it's no different to LotSB or Overlord (only not as good). Nothing more, nothing less. What's wrong with this? It's optional - you don't like it, or don't want to support DLC? Don't buy it. But don't feel entitled to additional content you don't want to pay for.

Ok let's resume. ME3 start :
Place: Earth
Reason why you are here: Because you have blown up an entire Batarian system in Arrival.

So basically, Arrival set the context of the beginning of ME3. 

It's not optional. You've played Arrival or not, nothing changes.

So it's basically the same as the shadow broker dlc.  If you don't play it she's still going to be the shadow broker. I like DLC so I get it.   I've played Arrival a few times, once at the end but twice in the middle.  I'm not going to play it for every Sheparde I have.  I didn't play the shadow broker for every game.  There are what 4 months between ME2 ending and ME3.  I have no idea what my Shepards will be doing during that time so it really makes no difference to me how they incorporate the trial.  

I was far more irritated to learn they are using the plot from the book for Anderson so I'm assuming he will not be on the counsel even though he was on it when I talked to him in ME2.  At least in some of my games he's on the council.  

[Annihilator27]

Ace of Dawn wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...

BluSoldier wrote...

http://objection.mrd...o.php?n=5218897

Did... Did you just make that?! That's awesome! I think you just became my new personal hero!

/thread

You know... I really should take a second to actually check the links for things like that. Flip side, now have something to entertain myself with for a bit.

You aint the only one lol.

[Icinix]

Judges: Shepard you are stand accused of the deliberate murder of over 300,000 Batarians -

Shep: You what??

Judges: You deliberately destroyed a mass relay by crashing an asteroid into -

Shep: To hell I did!?! When did this happen? I think I'd remember this.

Judges: Oh - it says here you didn't purchase the Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2. If you wish to experience the entire story of the lead up to Me3 please go www.masseffect.com

Shep : Stupid in game DLC advertising....