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[essarr71]

Robhuzz wrote...

Ali Hillis (the one who voices Liara) said earlier that she recorded some special dialogue for ME3 for those who didn't play Lotsb. This leads to the assumption that if you don't do Lotsb (can't see why since it's the best part of the game), Liara somehow manages to beat the original Shadow Broker by herself, or by hiring someone else to help of course. So no, if you don't do Lotsb, the game does not simply assume you did it offscreen anyway.

That's pretty cool.

One can just as easily assume a similar footwork can be done for arrival for those who didn't chose to play it can be brought up to speed. 

I just don't see the arguement that Arrival is critical, as no one seemed to complain, at this length, that their shepards were off hunting Geth when the Reaper threat was revealed.  It's an anti-content arguement, additional or not, free or not.  We can't chose to purchase what Bioware doesn't produce, and I'd rather they continue to make content for a great series then say "Well, if make relevant DLC and people don't buy it, we'll upset them."

[alperez]

Moonshadow_Dark

Wasn't ignoring anyone's posts, was however slightly busy doing something else.

As for Arrival not mattering, well to each their own, personally in a an rpg having the main character kill 300'000 people for whatever reason creates a certain amount of importance imo.

I'm not here to argue, but just expressing an opinion which others disagree with, so next time just ask someone's motivations rather than try to guess them.

[sedrikhcain]

Stompi wrote...

Important DLC within the story: Should have been in the game, was cut on purpose!
Non-Story DLC: Did I just waste my money on content we don't need?
DLC that isn't recognised in the next game at all: So, why did we waste our money?
DLC as bridge between two games: Ok, maybe it is important and mabe it was not cut from the game, but it still costs money!
Addon as bridge between two games: Great, additional content!

Can't you all just copy & paste: DLC bad.
Would save you a lot of time.

It's all BioWare's fault. I've been saying for months that we desperately need some dlc for our ME fix until March. Doesn't have to be any good. In fact, it can be the sorriest piece of crap in history. Seriously. An all-text DLC featuring a wopping 10 new codex entries -- secondary ones at that! -- would do. But give us something, please!

C'mon maaaaaaaan. I neeeeeeed it.

[Robhuzz]

Chewin3 wrote...

Still, people who played Arrival will get some additional dialogs.

*Arrival spoilers below*


Probably no more than: "You went in to find Kenson and her project. Say she was indoctrinated and they all tried to assault you. Then you figured the Reapers were almost there and the only way to postpone their arrival was to blow up that relay and the entire system with it's 300.000 inhabitants"


*/Spoilers*


Still, it would serve it's purpose

@Essar71

Actually I edited the quoted post slightly. I might have been too hasty in forming assumptions on that particular situation...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:03 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

alperez wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark

Wasn't ignoring anyone's posts, was however slightly busy doing something else.

As for Arrival not mattering, well to each their own, personally in a an rpg having the main character kill 300'000 people for whatever reason creates a certain amount of importance imo.

I'm not here to argue, but just expressing an opinion which others disagree with, so next time just ask someone's motivations rather than try to guess them.

I've already explained how the trial may not even mention Arrival at all. It is simply a plot device to get Shepard on Earth for the invasion. Without the trial device, it would just confuse the player as to why Shepard would be on Earth rather than on Illium recruiting the Asari warfleet or going to the Citadel with his proof. The trial is just a device. It has no purpose than to set the scene.

[alperez]

didymos1120 wrote...


Yeah, and?  This isn't the first time.  Your Shepard just went along with the Council's geth mop-up notion.  You had no say in it, and that got Shep killed.  You had no say in Liara recovering Shep's body and handing it over to Cerberus, who brought you back to life, which event, in part, the devs used to push Shep into working with them.  You had no say over what various people got up to in the two years Shep was dead, and that affected your experiences in the game: the Council's ostrich routine, Liara's discomfort over seeing you alive after giving you to Cerberus, etc. 

The difference being in an rpg having a storyline that flows with or without the main characters personal involvement and explaining that storyline in the main body of the game and creating a dlc where the main character takes a specific action, making that action canon and then forcing that action upon the player regardless of whether or not the player purchased that dlc.

In the instances you mentioned i have no need to purchase a dlc in order for those events to take place, in arrival even not purchasing the dlc forces those events to take place, you may say its the same thing. the difference however is that arrival forces a choice on the main character, it then makes that choice canon whether you played or not.

Which would bring me back to a point you already called me on, what if arrival never existed.

[marstor05]

It is kinda lame to have a DLC which kinda explains how you get to a certain starting point in the next game - without actually having it happen in ME2. TBH all these DLC seem to be to be raking the cash cow for a little bit more money... but hey what do I know.

If you are going to do a prologue - then bolt it to the front of ME3.

Oh and Yeh I got the DLC so i'm not biased in any way.

Word.

[alperez]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...



I've already explained how the trial may not even mention Arrival at all. It is simply a plot device to get Shepard on Earth for the invasion. Without the trial device, it would just confuse the player as to why Shepard would be on Earth rather than on Illium recruiting the Asari warfleet or going to the Citadel with his proof. The trial is just a device. It has no purpose than to set the scene.

My understanding is that we're on trial because of arrival, not for any other reason, sure other issues may come up but its arrival mainly.

[Nashiktal]

Arrival was such a mixed bag full of potential. An amazing atmosphere (finally people are scared of shep), beautiful locals, interesting mechanics, and a great dialogue with Harbinger that was close to sovereign quality.

However it was glitchy, the model reuse was hilariously obvious (like the same wounded animation from the beginning of the game when you awaken from being drugged...), there was some questionable writing (like not being tied down on that table... in the same room that controls security mechs), and the stealth mechanic was... Pathetic. I know its not a stealth game, but when the infiltrators stealth function doesnt count... Wow. Also the excuse to go alone was silly, we have three characters that are masters at stealth... and we can't go because so much gunfire would attract attention? I think shep attracted plenty of attention.

[Chewin]

@Robhuzz More or less, yes.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

alperez wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...



I've already explained how the trial may not even mention Arrival at all. It is simply a plot device to get Shepard on Earth for the invasion. Without the trial device, it would just confuse the player as to why Shepard would be on Earth rather than on Illium recruiting the Asari warfleet or going to the Citadel with his proof. The trial is just a device. It has no purpose than to set the scene.

My understanding is that we're on trial because of arrival, not for any other reason, sure other issues may come up but its arrival mainly.

It's just a set up. Chances are Arrival will never be mentioned at the trial due to the invasion and to keep it fair to newcomers.

Hell ME3 may actually come with a free download for Arrival that is playable on ME 3.

[Someone With Mass]

Guess what. Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is canon too, even if you didn't play the DLC.

[alperez]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...




It's just a set up. Chances are Arrival will never be mentioned at the trial due to the invasion and to keep it fair to newcomers.

Hell ME3 may actually come with a free download for Arrival that is playable on ME 3.

If its only mentioned if you played it then i withdraw every single post i've made on the subject.

Modifié par alperez, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:20 .

[alperez]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Guess what. Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is canon too, even if you didn't play the DLC.

Yep, but is shepard helping her become SB canon or just the fact she becomes SB?

[littlezack]

alperez wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

It's just a set up. Chances are Arrival will never be mentioned at the trial due to the invasion and to keep it fair to newcomers.

Hell ME3 may actually come with a free download for Arrival that is playable on ME 3.

In other news, pigs can fly, hell has officially frozen over, and scientists are starting to have doubts about two and two equaling four.

[Leonia]

alperez wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Guess what. Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is canon too, even if you didn't play the DLC.

Yep, but is shepard helping her become SB canon or just the fact she becomes SB?

Both.

LotSB and Arrival are just as canon as stopping Saren in ME1.

[Swords and Lasers]

I wouldn't care if 'Arrival' isn't mentioned in ME3 at all. Fact of the matter is that it's something else to do with your Shepard(s) after you've completed everything without starting over. Hoping for some cool DLC 1/2 a year after ME3 is released just to have some more Mass Effect content.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

jreezy wrote...

littlezack wrote...

alperez wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

It's just a set up. Chances are Arrival will never be mentioned at the trial due to the invasion and to keep it fair to newcomers.

Hell ME3 may actually come with a free download for Arrival that is playable on ME 3.

In other news, pigs can fly, hell has officially frozen over, and scientists are starting to have doubts about two and two equaling four.

And there have been reports that the Earth is flat.

The Milky Way Galaxy has just been confirmed to be revolving around the Earth.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:34 .

[Leonia]

jreezy wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

alperez wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Guess what. Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is canon too, even if you didn't play the DLC.

Yep, but is shepard helping her become SB canon or just the fact she becomes SB?

Both.

LotSB and Arrival are just as canon as stopping Saren in ME1.

And you know this how?

Look up the definition of bridging DLC, also try visiting the DLC description pages for LotSB and Arrival. If this is news to you, you haven't been paying very much attention.

[Morroian]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

It's just a set up. Chances are Arrival will never be mentioned at the trial due to the invasion and to keep it fair to newcomers.

So why is Shepard on trial? Why didn't the reapers invade early?

[Leonia]

Chances are, the Alliance won't admit what it was doing during Arrival in the trial because that would defeat the point of putting Shepard on trial and pinning all the blame on him/her. They didn't invade early because Shepard stopped them but considering most of the galaxy still doesn't believe in the existance of the Reapers, who is really going to believe that? They'll just think it was an act of terrorism and genocide against the batarian Hegemony.

Modifié par leonia42, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:37 .

[Leonia]

Because it's bridging DLC for the Shepard triology, if she became the SB without Shepard's help then what was the point of having the DLC at all? Besides, she needs the information from Cerberus and if you read the comic that leads up to LotSB.. you'd realise there is a strained relationship between Liara and Cerberus. That's why TIM passes the news on to Shepard, someone Liara trusts, to ensure Liara both gets the information and the help she requires.