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[Hayes1987]

Does Kirkwall have an army? So much of the game is surrounded on the templars/mages/and guards and I have yet to see anything that suggests there is an army.

[thats1evildude]

I think the answer to your question is partly tied up in the city's history. It most likely did have a standing army at the beginning when Kirkwall was still part of the Tevinter Imperium. But since then, the city has been occupied by the qunari and the Orlesians, who have served as the city's military during those times.

Kirkwall did gain its independence, but then Viscount Dumar's predecessor, Perrin Threnhold, attempted to expel the templars from the city, and they staged a coup to remove him from power. From then on, the templars effectively became the main military force in Kirkwall and future rulers would be "discouraged" from massing a force that could oppose them.

There is a city guard, and if I recall correctly, the guards are empowered to recruit from the populace as they see fit. If that meant conscripting citizens to serve as soldiers in the event of a war, I think the guards could do it.

However, I do remember the Viscount mentioning at the beginning of Act 2 that they lacked the resources to expel the qunari in such a way that wouldn't wreck half the city. So the answer to your question is basically "No, they do not."

Modifié par thats1evildude, 07 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[Sajuro]

Yes they do, it's made up 9 badasses and Hawke is the supreme commander

[Hayes1987]

hmmmm...... that makes sense. thank you sir!

[Sajuro]

[T3H Fish]

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[UltiPup]

A makeshift army, if there must be one. I suppose in a crisis, the templars and city guard would join together. This army would be very tiny.

[SkittlesKat96]

Thats1evildude summed it up really well.

Kirkwall's military force is probably small and not that significant, but the Templars and City Watch are well organized, and well armed. Templars themselves I'd imagine would make good soldiers and the City Watch could probably conscript a few hundred people and even ally themselves with surrounding villages and cities in the Free Marshes.

[Northern Sun]

The codex states the city guard serves as the military in addition to their law enforcement functions.

[jamesp81]

thats1evildude wrote...

I think your question is partly tied up in the city's history. It most likely did have a standing army at the beginning when Kirkwall was still part of the Tevinter Imperium. But since then, the city has been occupied by the qunari and the Orlesians, who have served as the city's military during those times.

Kirkwall did gain its independence, but then Viscount Dumar's predecessor, Perrin Threnhold, attempted to expel the templars from the city, and they staged a coup to remove him from power. From then on, the templars effectively became the main military force in Kirkwall and future rulers would be "discouraged" from massing a force that could oppose them.

There is a city guard, and if I recall correctly, the guards are empowered to recruit from the populace as they see fit. If that meant conscripting citizens to serve as soldiers in the event of a war, I think the guards could do it.

However, I do recall the Viscount mentioning at the beginning of Act 2 that they lacked the resources to expel the qunari in such a way that wouldn't wreck half the city. So the answer to your question is basically "No, they do not."

You know, this is one reason why Meredith can get away with her bull****, and why the worst of the demon summoning blood mages run amok.  One of the requirements for a secure society is a capable military, and Kirkwall doesn't have one.

If Kirkwall's army was sufficient to pose a threat to the templars, Meredith would've been reigned in by default.  And blood mages wouldn't have flourished as well if a company of heavy infantry came after them every time they tried to summon demons.

[Anyrandomname]

I dont think they have much of an army. With trained templar warriors, a bunch of mages under thei "control" and then the guardsmen that are basically just policemen patroling the city. What i find stupid is that at night, when you go hunting in the city, you can attack some1 right in from of the guards on watch and they just stand there. Same in the vicounts palace! If you go for the Divine's special quest, there are guards right outside the throne room and they just stand there when you get attacked by blood mages?

[EmperorSahlertz]

The city guard is their army. It is trained to both act as peacekeepers and as an army should the need arise.

[Anyrandomname]

Yet in game, they do nothing, ever? Xcept for during missions, they just stand around and are useless, even when a fight is right in front of them!

[EmperorSahlertz]

So? That is gameplay, and has no bearing on the lore. The city guards is trained both as an army and as peacekeepers. It is as simple as that.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 11 septembre 2011 - 08:51 .

[esper]

Kirkwall has a weak army which is one of the stated reason that the Templars have so much power.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The templars could also be considered part of the total of Kirkwall's military capability, since they seem to have large numbers and political control/influence. They seem to only react in major times of crisis, like the Qunari invasion, but they are still part of the larger forces of the city.

[jamesp81]

But the templars are, in effect, a foreign army. They answer to Val Royeaux, not the Viscount. A secure and free Kirkwall would only ever happen if an army raised from among the people that answered to Kirkwall's government could be formed.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

jamesp81 wrote...

But the templars are, in effect, a foreign army. They answer to Val Royeaux, not the Viscount. A secure and free Kirkwall would only ever happen if an army raised from among the people that answered to Kirkwall's government could be formed.

Well yes, they certainly are, or are at least supposed to be. But Knight Commanders generally aren't supposed to be ruling or running city states anyways, so the situation in Kirkwall is a bit unique. Since the Commander of Kirkwall's templars is also the de facto ruler of the city, then technically, her templars become part of that city's available military. Can't rule a city if its being overwhelmed by enemies.

Kirkwall needs leadership to step up and drive the formation of a city army. It needs leadership that can reduce the templar's power base signifigantly if it wants to be truly independant. I think this can potentially happen, regardless of which side you pick, since Cullen seems to want to step back from Meredith's overall reach. But the biggest reason the templars got so powerful is because Kirkwall has a history of puppet regimes and weak govornment. They do need someone with a backbone to put the templars back in their place, and keep them there.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Again.. The City Guard IS the army, and the city guard is also tasked with conscripting from the populace in case of war. The city guard has lately been sufering from severe cases of corruption, but Aveline molds them into an effective fighting force.