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[HohenHime]

So I just started act 2, and i heard that to trigger the Questionable Beleifs you hafta have at least 50+ or more frienship with the character. Sadly, I guess im just under that with Fenris and I dont trigger the quest after the Speak with Fenris Quest. I tried giving him the book, but i can only do that after the Speak quest. I saw on the wiki that if you dont complete the Beleifs quest before the Bad Pill quest, you cant have a romance with him. So am I screwed or is there a way I can boost my friendship with Fenris before doing the Speak Quest? I looked at the avaiable main and secondary quests at the time, and the only one that would get me more friendship points with him is the Demand of the Qur quest, which is where I hafta get him to battle the Akitosh with me. Which might be hard since I wanna romance Isabela as well.

[Sealy]

You can't romance both anyways, I know my romance with Fen always stops if I even flirt with Isabela but this may be a bug for me. I am fairly certain that you have to do the questioning beliefs before bitter pill for the wall scene anyways, never tried it the other way but like I said my game is super finicky, I have heard of some who can invite Anders home and then send him packing before sexy times and this kills my Fenris romance but apparently not theirs.

[esper]

You can romance Fenris after a bitter pill, you just have to do question belief once he hit 50. You will get a slightly different scene, be aware however that flirting with Isabella might block you from Fenris romance.

[AbsoluteApril]

this was the newest Fenris romance thread so adding my question here. What do you mean by 'once he hits 50'? **

(spoilers of course..)
On my first playthrough DA2 - at first wasn't sure if my Hawke mage would romance Fenris or Anders, so flirted with both, but 2nd flirt option came up with Anders and I chose the broken heart so I could pursue Fenris. I did have one other 'heart' dialogue after that point where I tried to comfort Fenris but that was the last heart option that showed up.

in act 2 - bitter pill done, let him decide; prior to that I hired the elf slave as a servant to pay her. I did bring Fenris on many quests where I sided with mages, he has stayed right in the middle of friendship/rivalry. Just got to into Act 3 and wondering when will this Fenris romance ever start so I checked the wiki and realize it should have begun in act 2. I do not believe I got the 'questioning beliefs' quest and after the bitter pill quest when he came to my mansion, I did not have any 'heart' options available (no 'don't go' option).

** Did the romance not trigger simply because his friendship/rivalry was neutral?

I was expecting a rivalry romance because of being pro-mage; I did give him an upgrade but didn't find the book (gift) and chose other options to gain those bits of friendship points which is keeping him right in the middle (dialogue when out and about is 'we should move on' or simply 'Hawke') - I assume this is where I messed up and I need to reload way back to Act 1 or early in Act 2?

thanks for the help...

[Sealy]

esper wrote...

You can romance Fenris after a bitter pill, you just have to do question belief once he hit 50. You will get a slightly different scene, be aware however that flirting with Isabella might block you from Fenris romance.

Oh, how is the scene different? Or it it the coming back "I've been thinking of you scene instead of the wall glowing?

[esper]

Fleshdress wrote...

esper wrote...

You can romance Fenris after a bitter pill, you just have to do question belief once he hit 50. You will get a slightly different scene, be aware however that flirting with Isabella might block you from Fenris romance.

Oh, how is the scene different? Or it it the coming back "I've been thinking of you scene instead of the wall glowing?

That was what I meant. A slight difference that is all.

[esper]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

this was the newest Fenris romance thread so adding my question here. What do you mean by 'once he hits 50'? **

(spoilers of course..)
On my first playthrough DA2 - at first wasn't sure if my Hawke mage would romance Fenris or Anders, so flirted with both, but 2nd flirt option came up with Anders and I chose the broken heart so I could pursue Fenris. I did have one other 'heart' dialogue after that point where I tried to comfort Fenris but that was the last heart option that showed up.

in act 2 - bitter pill done, let him decide; prior to that I hired the elf slave as a servant to pay her. I did bring Fenris on many quests where I sided with mages, he has stayed right in the middle of friendship/rivalry. Just got to into Act 3 and wondering when will this Fenris romance ever start so I checked the wiki and realize it should have begun in act 2. I do not believe I got the 'questioning beliefs' quest and after the bitter pill quest when he came to my mansion, I did not have any 'heart' options available (no 'don't go' option).

** Did the romance not trigger simply because his friendship/rivalry was neutral?

I was expecting a rivalry romance because of being pro-mage; I did give him an upgrade but didn't find the book (gift) and chose other options to gain those bits of friendship points which is keeping him right in the middle (dialogue when out and about is 'we should move on' or simply 'Hawke') - I assume this is where I messed up and I need to reload way back to Act 1 or early in Act 2?

thanks for the help...

He should hit 50 friendship OR 50 rivalry. Check his talent three if he hasn't got a bonus you haven't unlocked it. You must NOT stay neautral.

[Heidenreich]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

this was the newest Fenris romance thread so adding my question here. What do you mean by 'once he hits 50'? **

(spoilers of course..)
On my first playthrough DA2 - at first wasn't sure if my Hawke mage would romance Fenris or Anders, so flirted with both, but 2nd flirt option came up with Anders and I chose the broken heart so I could pursue Fenris. I did have one other 'heart' dialogue after that point where I tried to comfort Fenris but that was the last heart option that showed up.

in act 2 - bitter pill done, let him decide; prior to that I hired the elf slave as a servant to pay her. I did bring Fenris on many quests where I sided with mages, he has stayed right in the middle of friendship/rivalry. Just got to into Act 3 and wondering when will this Fenris romance ever start so I checked the wiki and realize it should have begun in act 2. I do not believe I got the 'questioning beliefs' quest and after the bitter pill quest when he came to my mansion, I did not have any 'heart' options available (no 'don't go' option).

** Did the romance not trigger simply because his friendship/rivalry was neutral?

I was expecting a rivalry romance because of being pro-mage; I did give him an upgrade but didn't find the book (gift) and chose other options to gain those bits of friendship points which is keeping him right in the middle (dialogue when out and about is 'we should move on' or simply 'Hawke') - I assume this is where I messed up and I need to reload way back to Act 1 or early in Act 2?

thanks for the help...

The easiest way to tell if you're at 50% of the bar, one way or the other, is if the friendship/rivalry bonus is triggerd for the character. Just stick them in your party, go into their skill-tree, and see if one or the other is lit up under their unique character tree.

It will look like this:








Act 1 has no barring on romances. The only reason you'd need to go back that far is to push his friendship or rivalry up higher because even with the book of shartan you can't get his QB to trigger.

It's always best to get his QB to trigger BEFORE you do his A Bitter Pill quest. He's still a bit buggy and sometimes doing it in the reverse order will break your chance to romance him. Thus, I always sugest making sure you've got him at 50% and do his Questioning Beliefs quest first.

As for the question on the very top of the page -- You can do his initial Act 2 "Hey how you doin" quest with out him being at 50%. Just make sure you flirt with him. Then give him the Book of Shartan. Hit flirt again. if after that you're -still- not at 50% (IE: no lit up bonus) then go do Feynriel's Fade quest and take him with you. You can net 10+ friendship if you talk with torpor and kill anders, and another 5+ friendship for telling torpor to eff off directly afterwards. If you don't want friendship, just don't talk to torpor at all (IE kill him outright).

The insuing betrayal, and the visit afterwards will net you + to your friendship or rivarly depending upon what path you've taken. Just make sure you don't bring Merrill or Varric, because both will override him.

[AbsoluteApril]

well there we go, neither of those options in the skill tree for Trevinter Fugative is lit up so keeping him netural is where I went wrong. Thank you for the quick answer and great explanation! Looks like I have a LOT to replay...

[Heidenreich]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

well there we go, neither of those options in the skill tree for Trevinter Fugative is lit up so keeping him netural is where I went wrong. Thank you for the quick answer and great explanation! Looks like I have a LOT to replay...

If you're shooting for Rivalry and planning on starting from the begining of act 1or even begining of act 2, shoot me a PM and I'll give you some pointers on how to make the red shoot up and up with out having to be pro-slaver.


I really aught to write a guide.. but I'm lazy

[HohenHime]

Well I just started act 2, and just finished the finding home quest. Then I went to speak to Fenris and the scene occurs when hes talking to Isabela. I chose the flirt option in that scene, but no Beleifs quest came up. So I gave him the Book, still nothing but I got some friendship points. Now what? Am I too late?

[Heidenreich]

HohenHime wrote...

Well I just started act 2, and just finished the finding home quest. Then I went to speak to Fenris and the scene occurs when hes talking to Isabela. I chose the flirt option in that scene, but no Beleifs quest came up. So I gave him the Book, still nothing but I got some friendship points. Now what? Am I too late?

It really just depends upon where you are on the friendship scale. If you're fairly close to the middle of the blue, then Nope, you're not to late. Just head down to the Alienage and talk to Arianni and do that quest. Bring him with you, and Isabela, and Anders.

When you're in the fade, you'll encounter Torpor - talk to him (dont select attack options) untill Anders freeks out and attacks you. Kill him. Then, deny torpor's deal. This combined act will give you 15 friendship. Then take Fenris into see the Pride demon. He'll Betray you.

Once you're finished with the fade, go visit Fenris at home and talk with him about it. This should net you some more friendship, and hopefully push you far enough up into the blue for the friendship bonus to trigger and for the Questioning Beliefs quest to pop up.

[HohenHime]

Heidenreich wrote...

HohenHime wrote...

Well I just started act 2, and just finished the finding home quest. Then I went to speak to Fenris and the scene occurs when hes talking to Isabela. I chose the flirt option in that scene, but no Beleifs quest came up. So I gave him the Book, still nothing but I got some friendship points. Now what? Am I too late?

It really just depends upon where you are on the friendship scale. If you're fairly close to the middle of the blue, then Nope, you're not to late. Just head down to the Alienage and talk to Arianni and do that quest. Bring him with you, and Isabela, and Anders.

When you're in the fade, you'll encounter Torpor - talk to him (dont select attack options) untill Anders freeks out and attacks you. Kill him. Then, deny torpor's deal. This combined act will give you 15 friendship. Then take Fenris into see the Pride demon. He'll Betray you.

Once you're finished with the fade, go visit Fenris at home and talk with him about it. This should net you some more friendship, and hopefully push you far enough up into the blue for the friendship bonus to trigger and for the Questioning Beliefs quest to pop up.

What is that quest called? the one in the Alienage. And I havent really taken anders into my party at all or done any compainion quests with him, though I have recruited him.

[Heidenreich]

HohenHime wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

HohenHime wrote...

Well I just started act 2, and just finished the finding home quest. Then I went to speak to Fenris and the scene occurs when hes talking to Isabela. I chose the flirt option in that scene, but no Beleifs quest came up. So I gave him the Book, still nothing but I got some friendship points. Now what? Am I too late?

It really just depends upon where you are on the friendship scale. If you're fairly close to the middle of the blue, then Nope, you're not to late. Just head down to the Alienage and talk to Arianni and do that quest. Bring him with you, and Isabela, and Anders.

When you're in the fade, you'll encounter Torpor - talk to him (dont select attack options) untill Anders freeks out and attacks you. Kill him. Then, deny torpor's deal. This combined act will give you 15 friendship. Then take Fenris into see the Pride demon. He'll Betray you.

Once you're finished with the fade, go visit Fenris at home and talk with him about it. This should net you some more friendship, and hopefully push you far enough up into the blue for the friendship bonus to trigger and for the Questioning Beliefs quest to pop up.

What is that quest called? the one in the Alienage. And I havent really taken anders into my party at all or done any compainion quests with him, though I have recruited him.

The quest is the second half of the "Wayward Son" Quest from act 1. It's called "Night Terrors". Here's the Wiki-link -> http://dragonage.wik...i/Night_Terrors

When you do this quest, bring Isabela, Fenris, and Anders with you.

There will be a demon named Torpor who will hold a conversation with you. Anders(as Justice) will get fustrated. If you continue the discussion with Torpor, he will confront you, and you can agree with him, or "kill" him. Choosing to "kill" him (its not a real kill, just a make-him-leave-the-fade) will net 5 friendship from Fenris.

As soon as that's finished, torpor will give the best line ever "Who would willing merge with that prig?" (in reference to Justice) and then you have the option to take the deal or deny him. Taking the deal will give you 15 rivalry with Fenris, so if you're going friendship DO NOT DO THIS. Instead, deny the deal, and you'll get 5 more friendship with Fenris.

Then, he will betray you to the pride demon's offer. You will "kill" him, and he'll leave the fade. Isabela will do the same with the Desire demon encounter, and its a nice chance for extra friendship or rivalry with her as well (The wiki page has the amounts and what dialog options to choose).

After this quest is complete, it will give you thee new quests. One to go talk to Anders, One to go talk to Isabela, and One to go talk to Fenris.

The resulting quests can be found : Fenris' Night Terrors, Anders in the Fade, Isabela's Apology

Just remember, a friended fenris won't be happy (rivalry gain) if you're aggressive with him.

[UltiPup]

If it makes you feel better, I fully romanced Fenris during Act 3 of my very first game. Which is funny because his codex entry still refers to "that night" as a night 3 years ago, when I had it in the same Act.

[Heidenreich]

UltiPup wrote...

If it makes you feel better, I fully romanced Fenris during Act 3 of my very first game. Which is funny because his codex entry still refers to "that night" as a night 3 years ago, when I had it in the same Act.

I.. is that even possible? 


MY MIND, IT IS BROKEN.

[UltiPup]

Heidenreich wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

If it makes you feel better, I fully romanced Fenris during Act 3 of my very first game. Which is funny because his codex entry still refers to "that night" as a night 3 years ago, when I had it in the same Act.

I.. is that even possible? 


MY MIND, IT IS BROKEN.

I think I broke the universe. I know I did Bitter Pill in Act 2, but I was flailing about with Fenris's approval so it wasn't near romancing levels then. Then it was the end of the Act when it got there. So, come Act 3 with Alone, me and Fenris had our first night. Then it was a matter of rushing the hell to get him maxed to full Rival before the end game. I was going mad, thinking I had missed the romance completely. Luckily enough, there was enough approval points given out in Act 3 that pushed the romance into the finale.


I don't recommend this option though. Defintetly broke the game here.

[Carmen_Willow]

UltiPup wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

If it makes you feel better, I fully romanced Fenris during Act 3 of my very first game. Which is funny because his codex entry still refers to "that night" as a night 3 years ago, when I had it in the same Act.

I.. is that even possible? 


MY MIND, IT IS BROKEN.

I think I broke the universe. I know I did Bitter Pill in Act 2, but I was flailing about with Fenris's approval so it wasn't near romancing levels then. Then it was the end of the Act when it got there. So, come Act 3 with Alone, me and Fenris had our first night. Then it was a matter of rushing the hell to get him maxed to full Rival before the end game. I was going mad, thinking I had missed the romance completely. Luckily enough, there was enough approval points given out in Act 3 that pushed the romance into the finale.


I don't recommend this option though. Defintetly broke the game here.

I had the same thing happen.  Fenris walked out on me during Bitter Pill.  Didn't get the romance conclusion until Act 3 (Rivalry)

[Heidenreich]

That's... I didn't know it could do that.


On the up side, I now have a guide for Rivalry in act 1 for Fenris should anyone want to use it. It's in my signatuer. Over the next couple days I'll throw up a Friendship-act 1 guide, and eventually a Pro-Mage/Frendmance guide ;p

[HohenHime]

Heidenreich wrote...

HohenHime wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

HohenHime wrote...

Well I just started act 2, and just finished the finding home quest. Then I went to speak to Fenris and the scene occurs when hes talking to Isabela. I chose the flirt option in that scene, but no Beleifs quest came up. So I gave him the Book, still nothing but I got some friendship points. Now what? Am I too late?

It really just depends upon where you are on the friendship scale. If you're fairly close to the middle of the blue, then Nope, you're not to late. Just head down to the Alienage and talk to Arianni and do that quest. Bring him with you, and Isabela, and Anders.

When you're in the fade, you'll encounter Torpor - talk to him (dont select attack options) untill Anders freeks out and attacks you. Kill him. Then, deny torpor's deal. This combined act will give you 15 friendship. Then take Fenris into see the Pride demon. He'll Betray you.

Once you're finished with the fade, go visit Fenris at home and talk with him about it. This should net you some more friendship, and hopefully push you far enough up into the blue for the friendship bonus to trigger and for the Questioning Beliefs quest to pop up.

What is that quest called? the one in the Alienage. And I havent really taken anders into my party at all or done any compainion quests with him, though I have recruited him.

The quest is the second half of the "Wayward Son" Quest from act 1. It's called "Night Terrors". Here's the Wiki-link -> http://dragonage.wik...i/Night_Terrors

When you do this quest, bring Isabela, Fenris, and Anders with you.

There will be a demon named Torpor who will hold a conversation with you. Anders(as Justice) will get fustrated. If you continue the discussion with Torpor, he will confront you, and you can agree with him, or "kill" him. Choosing to "kill" him (its not a real kill, just a make-him-leave-the-fade) will net 5 friendship from Fenris.

As soon as that's finished, torpor will give the best line ever "Who would willing merge with that prig?" (in reference to Justice) and then you have the option to take the deal or deny him. Taking the deal will give you 15 rivalry with Fenris, so if you're going friendship DO NOT DO THIS. Instead, deny the deal, and you'll get 5 more friendship with Fenris.

Then, he will betray you to the pride demon's offer. You will "kill" him, and he'll leave the fade. Isabela will do the same with the Desire demon encounter, and its a nice chance for extra friendship or rivalry with her as well (The wiki page has the amounts and what dialog options to choose).

After this quest is complete, it will give you thee new quests. One to go talk to Anders, One to go talk to Isabela, and One to go talk to Fenris.

The resulting quests can be found : Fenris' Night Terrors, Anders in the Fade, Isabela's Apology

Just remember, a friended fenris won't be happy (rivalry gain) if you're aggressive with him.

I finished that quest along with the others that followed, and no beliefs quest has popped up :C

[Heidenreich]

That means you aren't anywhere close to 50%, and nothing in act 2 is going give you enough friendship points to get you there. The only other thing you can try, if you're romancing him, is go ahead and do his A Bitter Pill and hopefully it doesn't bug, and you'll be able to do QB afterwards and still romance him.

[HohenHime]

Heidenreich wrote...

That means you aren't anywhere close to 50%, and nothing in act 2 is going give you enough friendship points to get you there. The only other thing you can try, if you're romancing him, is go ahead and do his A Bitter Pill and hopefully it doesn't bug, and you'll be able to do QB afterwards and still romance him.

But im in the blue area...

[UltiPup]

HohenHime wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

That means you aren't anywhere close to 50%, and nothing in act 2 is going give you enough friendship points to get you there. The only other thing you can try, if you're romancing him, is go ahead and do his A Bitter Pill and hopefully it doesn't bug, and you'll be able to do QB afterwards and still romance him.

But im in the blue area...

50% of the blue bar. The middle of the entire bar is 0%. Then it either moves to the left or right, depending on Friendship or Rivalry. So, you want to be on 75% of the total bar to start a Questioning Beliefs. For all characters, they have one at 50% and 100%.

[HohenHime]

UltiPup wrote...

HohenHime wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

That means you aren't anywhere close to 50%, and nothing in act 2 is going give you enough friendship points to get you there. The only other thing you can try, if you're romancing him, is go ahead and do his A Bitter Pill and hopefully it doesn't bug, and you'll be able to do QB afterwards and still romance him.

But im in the blue area...

50% of the blue bar. The middle of the entire bar is 0%. Then it either moves to the left or right, depending on Friendship or Rivalry. So, you want to be on 75% of the total bar to start a Questioning Beliefs. For all characters, they have one at 50% and 100%.

So can I still romance him in Act 3?

[UltiPup]

You can try. Just go for all the pro mage choices and try to reason with slavers and demons. Or opposite for friendship.

Modifié par UltiPup, 08 septembre 2011 - 06:32 .