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[PrinceLionheart]

I see what you mean. Nationalism, in and of itself, isn't exactly a bad thing. Honestly, quite a few humans (not just Ash) have similar ideologies; Udina, Illusive Man, Miranda, and even Anderson. Ashley just happened to be more expressive of her views on Human/Alien interactions because ME1 was actually her big first hand experience with them.

Not to say that will prevent her from being a good spectre. In fact, I think being a Spectre kinda requires you to have a level of cynicism that Ash has.

[raist747]

Now that humanity is already a member of the council, I don't see why not lower the standards a hair so that more humans can be SPECTREs now that they have proven themselves to be worthy.

I don't understand the rationale of "recruit must be Shepard level or s/he does not make it" logic. For all we know, the SPECTRE manning might be low and the current operatives are over-worked. What do almost all jobs do when they need more workers other that juice up the pay and perks? Lower the requirements. Even the spotlight forces like Navy SEALs and Army Rangers do this. Of course, when times are lean, the standards go up and the lower echelon of personnel are the first to get the boot.

[Symji]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

I see what you mean. Nationalism, in and of itself, isn't exactly a bad thing. Honestly, quite a few humans (not just Ash) have similar ideologies; Udina, Illusive Man, Miranda, and even Anderson. Ashley just happened to be more expressive of her views on Human/Alien interactions because ME1 was actually her big first hand experience with them.

Not to say that will prevent her from being a good spectre. In fact, I think being a Spectre kinda requires you to have a level of cynicism that Ash has.

Many people confuse patriotism or nationalism, (the love of one's country) with jingoism (an extreme form of nationalism in which people believe that their county's ideals are how everyone should be, and often try to assert that view with an aggressive foreign policy).

[AlexXIV]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Ashley doesn't hate aliens. She just expects them to put their own interests above ours. That's not hateful, it's astute.

The term people are looking for is Nationalist.

No it's just reasonable that every species would think about their own kind first. If you had to sacrifice all but one species to defeat the Reapers, would you let humankind die? 

Which is nationalism. I wasn't saying it was a bad thing, just that a lot of her ideologies are that of a nationalist.

Nationalism is for me if people don't care about other nations than their own. In a sort of fundamentalist way. It's different though to say my country is the only one that counts, or I love/like my country more than others. In effect at some point it may result in the same decisions, but it is not the same thing. One says I care about other countries too, but first and foremost my own. The other says if you are not from my country then **** off and die. It's same difference of for example being muslim or islamist.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 septembre 2011 - 09:46 .

[SandTrout]

AlexXIV wrote...

Nationalism is for me if people don't care about other nations than their own. In a sort of fundamentalist way. It's different though to say my country is the only one that counts, or I love/like my country more than others. In effect at some point it may result in the same decisions, but it is not the same thing. One says I care about other countries too, but first and foremost my own. The other says if you are not from my country then **** off and die. It's same difference of for example being muslim or islamist.

Your definition of 'Nationalism' is incorrect in that it is overly narrow. You seem to atribute only the most extreme examples to actual nationalism, when the more reasonable perspective of 'My nation first, but nothing against anyone else' also is contained within nationalism.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...

Nationalism is for me if people don't care about other nations than their own.

The bolded is the first problem in this statement. The underlined is the second.

[mango smoothie]

AlexXIV wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Ashley doesn't hate aliens. She just expects them to put their own interests above ours. That's not hateful, it's astute.

The term people are looking for is Nationalist.

No it's just reasonable that every species would think about their own kind first. If you had to sacrifice all but one species to defeat the Reapers, would you let humankind die? 

Which is nationalism. I wasn't saying it was a bad thing, just that a lot of her ideologies are that of a nationalist.

Nationalism is for me if people don't care about other nations than their own. In a sort of fundamentalist way. It's different though to say my country is the only one that counts, or I love/like my country more than others. In effect at some point it may result in the same decisions, but it is not the same thing. One says I care about other countries too, but first and foremost my own. The other says if you are not from my country then **** off and die. It's same difference of for example being muslim or islamist.

Oh god every day I learn that more people have no idea how politics and governments work.  Almost as worst when people tell me communism is type of goverment and not a form of economy.

[Symji]

 

Oh god every day I learn that more people have no idea how politics and governments work.  Almost as worst when people tell me communism is type of goverment and not a form of economy.

Definition of COMMUNISM
1a: theory advocating elimination of private property
  b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2a: a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
  b: a totalitarian system of government in which a singleauthoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
  c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably

In it's idealized state, communism is indeed an economic policy seperate from government. In practice however, it has only ever been put in place by authoritarian governments. and is thus intrinsically linked with it. On a side note, the same can be said about capitalism and democracy

Modifié par Symji, 19 septembre 2011 - 09:02 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Democracy and capitalism have only ever been put in place by authoritarian governments?

[didymos1120]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Democracy and capitalism have only ever been put in place by authoritarian governments?

I think Symji meant that democracy and capitalism are correlated in the same way that communism and authoritarianism are.

[Dean_the_Young]

Teasing what he said, not what he meant.

Though I would like to point out that capitalism (and variations thereof) has also proven quite popular with authoritarian regimes as well.

[sponge56]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Teasing what he said, not what he meant.

Though I would like to point out that capitalism (and variations thereof) has also proven quite popular with authoritarian regimes as well.

But it is not limited to authoritarian regimes, as communism is.

[Killjoy Cutter]

sponge56 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Teasing what he said, not what he meant.

Though I would like to point out that capitalism (and variations thereof) has also proven quite popular with authoritarian regimes as well.

But it is not limited to authoritarian regimes, as communism is.

There are voluntary examples of communism, but they never exist at the level of an entire country. 

The most successful example I can think of would be the Kibbutzim. 

[ubermensch007]

I think part of the reason why I and Commander Shepard have such a hard time believing that Ashley Williams is Spectre material.Is not completely fair.You see, all the data that we have on her comes from 2183. We don't know the Ash of 2185/86. She could have grown and expeirenced alot more in that time, and had multiple chances to prove herself.

So even though I can't change how I feel about her being a Spectre.I at least understand more now, why I feel the way I do.IFrom my knowledge of her though.I think she would be (and should be) upgraded to N7 Marine. It would be cool to see her in Me3, in the position that Shepard was before becoming a Spectre in Mass Effect 1.

[TexasToast712]

Bad Thing. I like Kaidan but if he trys pulling rank he is gonna get **** slapped.

[Jynthor]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Bad Thing. I like Kaidan but if he trys pulling rank he is gonna get **** slapped.

This. But we have renegade interrupts for that.

[dbsour]

If you kept your spectre status in ME2 will you still be a spectre in ME3?

[ediskrad327]

dbsour wrote...

If you kept your spectre status in ME2 will you still be a spectre in ME3?

yes

[CerberusSoldier]

Kaiden better know his dam role in 3 or he will die . but I have had enough of the VS crap and I will not stand for it in 3 . fall in line or die but Kaiden will follow my shepard's orders no matter what stupid title he has

[PauseforEffect]

Hmm....VS a Spectre now....hmm.....Hey, Kaiden/Ashley! Remember when you set that bomb off on Virmire? Now that you're a Spectre, does that mean you are going to take responsibility for that crapshoot decision that I've had to take flak for 2 years now?
Nah, kidding, it's good to see you, pass me that thermal clip would you?
*WHACK*
Seriously though, so far, every time we've seen 2 Spectres get together, one of them dies. There's some serious superstitious trend going on and not even a good luck f*** seems enough to stop that.
Oh, how my mind has gone downhill this hour of night....

[Gold Dragon]

Ashley was stuck Groundbound on Eden Prime until Shepard Showed up.  I seriously doubt that she would try to cross the one person that gave her a chance despite her ancestry.

Kaidan was likely told prior to game start that Shepard would be in command after the Reapers attack.

Both will be subordinate to Shepard (despite rank), And both will likely be XO, Shepard's position at the start of ME 1, and Miranda's role in ME 2.

As for the Spectre status, it was revealed that both would tell you how that happened in-game.

[CerberusSoldier]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Ashley was stuck Groundbound on Eden Prime until Shepard Showed up.  I seriously doubt that she would try to cross the one person that gave her a chance despite her ancestry.

Kaidan was likely told prior to game start that Shepard would be in command after the Reapers attack.

Both will be subordinate to Shepard (despite rank), And both will likely be XO, Shepard's position at the start of ME 1, and Miranda's role in ME 2.

As for the Spectre status, it was revealed that both would tell you how that happened in-game.

   


Well they better be because My Shepard will b*tch slap Kaiden down so hard he will wish hackett was there to save his sorry butt

[didymos1120]

CerberusSoldier wrote...


Well they better be because My Shepard will b*tch slap Kaiden down so hard he will wish hackett was there to save his sorry butt

OK, people? You're not required to do this silly "Imma lay down the law SOOOOO HARD" posturing.

[incinerator950]

I'm more interested in how Ashley gets a commission, and then gets four Officer rank promotions in six months. Kaiden gets promoted to Major, which is the Alliance Marine equivalent to Captain, which makes Kaiden outrank Shepard in technicality.

[Ryzaki]

Hm...I wonder if Shep's on good terms with Ash/Kaidan and not a Spectre if he/she can use their status in lieu of being a Spectre him/herself. I.E. drag Ash/Kaidan around and get similar dialogue/benefits (if there's any benefits to Shep remaining a Spectre).