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[marshalleck]

Lord Aesir wrote...

 though I don't know about Kaidan.

Kaidan was "a good kid."

[Homebound]

i heard the spectre club was a very exclusive club. Shepard was the FIRST HUMAN EVER to join. And Anderson lost a lifetime trying to get there.

are you telling me after 2 years, everythings suddenly hunkydory and humans are getting job applications left,right and centre?

i get the impression from the politician in thane's loyalty mission that human spectres are a common thing now. The guy doesnt even question for a second that a HUMAN could be a spectre.

[Heimdall]

azerSheppard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Sounds a little fishy to me. Went from nobodies to Spectres in just over two years? I don't buy that.

I got a feeling the council made the VS a spectre so they had someone close to Shepard who could intervene if Shepard did something the council didn't like. A normal Alliance soldier, no matter his/her rank, does not have the authority to intervene with a Spectre's business but another Spectre clearly does. Seems like a political move. Nihlus says only the very best get asked for the Spectres. While the VS is a decorated Alliance soldier, they're nowhere near Shepard's level of skill..<_<

Agree, why rec someone who isn't top of the line from the alliance? There should be enough N7 operatives that rival Sheperd in skill. I'm not saying Alenko would make a bad Spectre, his political views and thoughts about galatic cooperation are def great, but his in-story abilities are lacking.

And just because they "helped defeat Saren" doesn't make em qualified, otherwise one would state that Garrus should also have made it into the Spectres. 

  We already know Garrus was qualified for the Spectres, he turned them down.

[mopotter]

Undertone wrote...

As much as human-centrist as I am - I'm bloody tired of seeing only human Spectres doing good work or being model Spectres.

Every other bloody Spectre we see in these games dies in the first 5 mins or is rogue agent. I want to see some good alien agents or possibly have a Spectre temporary team for a mission or two in ME3.

I would also like to see a couple of other Spectre, who are working at taking out the bad guys.

[Heimdall]

Hellbound555 wrote...

i heard the spectre club was a very exclusive club. Shepard was the FIRST HUMAN EVER to join. And Anderson lost a lifetime trying to get there.

are you telling me after 2 years, everythings suddenly hunkydory and humans are getting job applications left,right and centre?

i get the impression from the politician in thane's loyalty mission that human spectres are a common thing now. The guy doesnt even question for a second that a HUMAN could be a spectre.

  Everyone knows that humans have entered the Spectre ranks, thanks to Shepard, but I'd be surprised if they made a big show of recruiting humans and then advertise exaclty how many to the public.

[azerSheppard]

marshalleck wrote...

Excellent idea. Maybe we'll finally see a Spectre who is both competent and not Shepard.

Saren, Vasir and Nihulus were competent, Nihulus died as a plot-device to show us how badass Saren was and setting him up as a traitor.
Vasir was working with the SB, and the council didn't even know.

They all died due to either Sheperds influence or one anothers. This doesn't make them incompetent, it just sets Sheperd up as the badass hero of the story.

[lekysma]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Prothy the Prothean wrote...

There are two reasons why seemingly ineligible individuals are raised to stations above their competence: nepotism or covert internal investigation.

So Ashley is actually Col. Campbell's daughter?

nice mgs reference

[Robhuzz]

Lord Aesir wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Sounds a little fishy to me. Went from nobodies to Spectres in just over two years? I don't buy that.

I got a feeling the council made the VS a spectre so they had someone close to Shepard who could intervene if Shepard did something the council didn't like. A normal Alliance soldier, no matter his/her rank, does not have the authority to intervene with a Spectre's business but another Spectre clearly does. Seems like a political move. Nihlus says only the very best get asked for the Spectres. While the VS is a decorated Alliance soldier, they're nowhere near Shepard's level of skill..<_<

Agree, why rec someone who isn't top of the line from the alliance? There should be enough N7 operatives that rival Sheperd in skill. I'm not saying Alenko would make a bad Spectre, his political views and thoughts about galatic cooperation are def great, but his in-story abilities are lacking.

And just because they "helped defeat Saren" doesn't make em qualified, otherwise one would state that Garrus should also have made it into the Spectres. 

  We already know Garrus was qualified for the Spectres, he turned them down.

He was tagged as a possible candidate out of 1000 recruits. Meaning the turian military takes the best of their recruits and offers them special training. Time will tell which of them have what it takes to actually join the spectres. So no, as much as I like Garrus, I dare say he was never qualified to actually join the Spectres. He merely showed enough talent during his military training that his superiors thought he might make a Spectre one day.

ETA: Then his father decided he didn't like Spectres and didn't want Garrus to become one so he made sure he never got the training. Supposedly his father is dead by now so after ME1 if you stimulated Garrus to be a renegade, he reapplied for the training his father kept him out of at first.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:03 .

[Someone With Mass]

azerSheppard wrote...

Agree, why rec someone who isn't top of the line from the alliance? There should be enough N7 operatives that rival Sheperd in skill. I'm not saying Alenko would make a bad Spectre, his political views and thoughts about galatic cooperation are def great, but his in-story abilities are lacking.

And just because they "helped defeat Saren" doesn't make em qualified, otherwise one would state that Garrus should also have made it into the Spectres. 

Plus, it takes more than military skills to be an effecient Spectre.

From the sound of it, N7s are more of a rarity than the Spectres and that would just be silly.

[Heimdall]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Sounds a little fishy to me. Went from nobodies to Spectres in just over two years? I don't buy that.

I got a feeling the council made the VS a spectre so they had someone close to Shepard who could intervene if Shepard did something the council didn't like. A normal Alliance soldier, no matter his/her rank, does not have the authority to intervene with a Spectre's business but another Spectre clearly does. Seems like a political move. Nihlus says only the very best get asked for the Spectres. While the VS is a decorated Alliance soldier, they're nowhere near Shepard's level of skill..<_<

Agree, why rec someone who isn't top of the line from the alliance? There should be enough N7 operatives that rival Sheperd in skill. I'm not saying Alenko would make a bad Spectre, his political views and thoughts about galatic cooperation are def great, but his in-story abilities are lacking.

And just because they "helped defeat Saren" doesn't make em qualified, otherwise one would state that Garrus should also have made it into the Spectres. 

  We already know Garrus was qualified for the Spectres, he turned them down.

He was tagged as a possible candidate out of 1000 recruits. Meaning the turian military takes the best of their recruits and offers them special training. Time will tell which of them have what it takes to actually join the spectres. So no, as much as I like Garrus, I dare say he was never qualified to actually join the Spectres. He merely showed enough talent during his military training that his superiors thought he might make a Spectre one day.

ETA: Then his father decided he didn't like Spectres and didn't want Garrus to become one so he made sure he never got the training. Supposedly his father is dead by now so after ME1 if you stimulated Garrus to be a renegade, he reapplied for the training his father kept him out of at first.

  I know this, my point is that not every Spectre is Shepard or need have as impressive a record beforehand.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[GodWood]

Sole Survivor Shepard got his unit killed by a thresha maw and managed to escape to a landing zone.

The VS was part of a small team that stopped Saren and his geth attack on the Citadel.

I think they're qualified enough.

[jbblue05]

Hopefully they did something badass to get it and weren't just given the title for riding Shepard's coattails

[KevShep]

Anderson may have pulled some strings to get him/her to be a specter.

[Heimdall]

jbblue05 wrote...

Hopefully they did something badass to get it and weren't just given the title for riding Shepard's coattails

  Becoming a Spectre does include a mentorship period, one of the reasons Shepard is not a typical case, so I imagine being one of the only human being who could be said to have such with the first Spectre of their species was actually a point in their favor.

[Someone With Mass]

I want to see a salarian Spectre or any other Spectre, because the VS being one just reeks of blatant fanservice.

[mineralica]

From what I've seen in both games, SpeCTRe title doesn't really mean that the person wearing it is needed for special operations, the last hope of every nation, etc. - it's just a fancy title that Council may decide to throw as a political bone. Also Council may decide to throw their SpeCTRe as a fancy name with "immunity to law at Council space" in conflicts - again, not to show their real competence at combat, but just as sign of political approval (remember Tela Vasir in Cerberus daily news?).

If SpeCTRes were chosen for their battle qualities, then why they are almost exclusive to Council races? Yes, I understand that Volus one or Hanar one will be plain funny (but still funny. Blasto FTW!), but in this case why there aren't any battle expert krogan SpeCTRes? Tech expert quarian SpeCTRes? Silent assassinating drell SpeCTRes?

And if Council races trust their shiny toys that much, then why there are that damn many "SpeCTRe equivalents"? Salarian STG was a prototype - and still exist, and salarians still rely very much on them. Justicars are analogue (as said. Actually, it's likely just another prototype) - and asari still hold these two branches separately, while it will require less training to merge this two organisations or completely forget about justicars. And something tells me average asari would sooner listen to justicar than to alien SpeCTRe. Because this groups are the real force Council races rely at in case of emergency.

But then... we have humanity, a new Council race (or even main Council race) whose only fancy toy either a) didn't pay attention at all and joined terrorists or met Council and told them to show SpeCTRe title where sun doesn't shine and/or c) just blown off the system with 300k batarians in it (read: thrown a huge pile of sh*t on Citadel-sized political fan). So... humanity is left without shiny toys. But it wants one, because Council race without own toys looks hilarious. So who will become a new poster boy/girl, any real candidates?

Real candidates, I know you thought "Conrad Verner" here.

Real candidates of suitable age. I don't doubt Anderson and Hackett may kick asses, but they a bit too old and spent too much time just commanding.

Real candidates not connected with Cerberus, so no Miranda/Jacob/Kai Leng.

Anyone besides VS?

[krzimmer]

In one of the Gamescon Bioware TV Q &A episodes Mike Gamble said that there is a lot of back story to the VS concerning what they were up to between the beginning of ME2 and ME3, and that there's a reason that they are what they are in ME3. Something like that.

[Chuvvy]

I think it's a bit dumb, sort of seems like they're shoehorning VS into it. I think the characters that make most sense to become Spectres would be Garrus or, well there's Garrus.

[JayhartRIC]

Harkin could probably be a Spectre if he wanted,and Lizbeth Baynum.

[nelly21]

Lest we forget, Shep became a Spectre after a fantastically failed mission where the mission objective was destroyed and the Spectre overseer was murdered.

You could technically say Shep became Spectre for nothing more than exposing Saren as a traitor. As bad ass as Shep is, I think being part of the team that actually took down Saren is more impressive than shooting up a strip bar, killing (or not) a small time thug and then engaging in yet another firefight on public property in a back alley.

[Iakus]

mopotter wrote...

Undertone wrote...

As much as human-centrist as I am - I'm bloody tired of seeing only human Spectres doing good work or being model Spectres.

Every other bloody Spectre we see in these games dies in the first 5 mins or is rogue agent. I want to see some good alien agents or possibly have a Spectre temporary team for a mission or two in ME3.

I would also like to see a couple of other Spectre, who are working at taking out the bad guys.

It's just a suspicion on my part and may not in fact be true, but I suspect Garrus might be a Spectre too. The colorations of his new armor is very similar to that of Kaidan's armor, Tela Vasir's armor,  and Ash's outfit (I will not call what she's wearing "armor") 

[el master pr]

This.

Modifié par el master pr, 06 septembre 2011 - 01:37 .

[Northern Sun]

There's probably some politics involved in it. With humanity's only spectre on trial they need a new poster boy, and the other human who helped take down Saren fits the bill best.

[crimzontearz]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
As long as she owns up to her bull**** I don't care what ashley does

I like Ash but I do have some choice words for her.

yeah honestly depending on the situation my words to her may be "EDI, open the airlock"

[jbblue05]

nelly21 wrote...

Lest we forget, Shep became a Spectre after a fantastically failed mission where the mission objective was destroyed and the Spectre overseer was murdered.

You could technically say Shep became Spectre for nothing more than exposing Saren as a traitor. As bad ass as Shep is, I think being part of the team that actually took down Saren is more impressive than shooting up a strip bar, killing (or not) a small time thug and then engaging in yet another firefight on public property in a back alley.

Shep led the siege of Torfan, Rallied the defenses against a pirate raid, survived in encounter with a thresher maw on foot while others were slaughtered
Shep was targeted as a spectre candidate for the Alliiance for years.mentored by a legend within the Allicane an spectre candidate  Anderson  
Kaidan was not and Ash was stuck groundise on some nowhere colony.  Don't forget Shep is an N7 while the VS never recieved training.