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[DCarter]

I'm happy with more spectres in the game. Hopefully we'll get to work with a non-human spectre who isn't a traitor for once as well.

[Wulfram]

The VS would have needed to prove their capacity to operate independently in the 2 years since Saren, but they're a sensible enough candidate.

[LPPrince]

jbblue05 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Lest we forget, Shep became a Spectre after a fantastically failed mission where the mission objective was destroyed and the Spectre overseer was murdered.

You could technically say Shep became Spectre for nothing more than exposing Saren as a traitor. As bad ass as Shep is, I think being part of the team that actually took down Saren is more impressive than shooting up a strip bar, killing (or not) a small time thug and then engaging in yet another firefight on public property in a back alley.

Shep led the siege of Torfan, Rallied the defenses against a pirate raid, survived in encounter with a thresher maw on foot while others were slaughtered
Shep was targeted as a spectre candidate for the Alliiance for years.mentored by a legend within the Allicane an spectre candidate  Anderson  
Kaidan was not and Ash was stuck groundise on some nowhere colony.  Don't forget Shep is an N7 while the VS never recieved training.

By that logic, you could say that Kaidan and Ash were working under the first Human Spectre and ended up being directly responsible along with a team of aliens for winning The Battle of the Citadel.

That's their Akuze, Torfan, and Elysium.

My Shepard had Akuze.

Ash had The Citadel.

And while she wasn't leading the team, fighting alone, or massacring everything she saw, she worked perfectly to help take down the rogue Spectre agent Saren Arterius and save the day.

Add to that whatever happened within the two years between ME1-ME2 AND ME2-ME3 and there's plenty of things to give them credible reason to become a Spectre agent.

At this point, I think people don't want them to be Spectres just because it takes a little uniqueness away from Shepard.

What they fail to understand is that Shepard will always be Shepard- The FIRST Human Spectre.

Just like today, when the names of George Washington, Napolean Bonaparte, and William Wallace are still brought up, Shepard will be one of those people immortalized in history as not only a great leader but a historic warrior.

Others are forgotten. I imagine that in a few centuries time(or maybe 1000 years if you consider asari and krogan lifespans) Ash and Kaidan will be forgotten. Sad to think about it, but its true.

Shepard is forever though. So I can't see why anyone would have a problem with Ash or Kaidan being Spectres when both are clearly qualified when you consider what they were involved with in-game and what they could've been involved with off screen.

[ObserverStatus]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I guess the spectres didn't let Ash keep her Phoenix armor

so she's only wearing the spandex body suit because the other spectres are hazing her?

[crimzontearz]

Casey promised Ash would have proper armor. It was also reveal there would be some armor customization for all squaddies....I still have to see it tho

[ObserverStatus]

crimzontearz wrote...

Casey promised Ash would have proper armor. It was also reveal there would be some armor customization for all squaddies....I still have to see it tho

I think that they've refudiated those claims since than.  Armor customization isn't going to be any more interactive than it was in ME2.

[crimzontearz]

^^ indeed? Well then Casey still said Ash would wear armor....I still have to see it tho. God that is such a bummer tho.

[Veex]

I'd consider the VS's performance on Virmire being a very respectable feat, and when combined with the Citadel events, they seem like a good candidate for Spectre status. If you take into consideration what happened on Virmire then you've got them either leading a small strike force as a successful diversion, or you've got them planting and defending a bomb to destroy a cloning facility of Krogans.

[marshalleck]

bobobo878 wrote...

refudiated 

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 septembre 2011 - 02:39 .

[JukeFrog]

Personality-wise: I can see Kaidan being a Spectre. He's level-headed, is familiar with Alliance-Coucil politics, etc. Ashley, while a good soldier, isn't who I think of when I think "Spectre".

Skill-wise: Neither Kaidan nor Ashley have done anything especially remarkable by Spectre standards.

[Cancer Puppet]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I guess the spectres didn't let Ash keep her Phoenix armor

"Chief Williams...spectres do not wear pink."

That's probably why she got all of those crappy assignments in the alliance, too. 

Modifié par Cancer Puppet, 06 septembre 2011 - 02:59 .

[ObserverStatus]

marshalleck wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

refudiated

*snip*

I realize that you may not like what goes into my posts, and I listen to all the voices, but mine is the final decision, and "refudiated" is staying where it is. I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for "refudiated" to remain in my post.

[AVPen]

JukeFrog wrote...

Personality-wise: I can see Kaidan being a Spectre. He's level-headed, is familiar with Alliance-Coucil politics, etc. Ashley, while a good soldier, isn't who I think of when I think "Spectre".

Skill-wise: Neither Kaidan nor Ashley have done anything especially remarkable by Spectre standards.

Prior to Horizon, I would've agreed with that sentiment - However, I was genuinely surprised to see just how "un-levelheaded" Kaidan showed himself to be in that scene (I'd even go so far to say that, based on his words and body language, he handled Shepard's return worse than Ashley did). As someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that a large reason for making the VS a Spectre was a purely policial move on the Council's and Alliance's part.

[Shinannigan]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around it...
Especially with Ashley - not dissing her, but unlike Kaidan she does not bring any skills to the plate you couldn't find (presumably better) in any N7 graduate. She is just an army Grunt, not a biotic/tech specialist like Kaidan.
It makes little enough sense with a Council that is "only" trying to hush up the Reaper threat to promote one of "crazy Shepard's" old teammates, but if you have an all-human Council with Udina as Councillor, there should really be no chance for a blacklisted Alliance grunt from Shepard's squad to be raised to a position which Udina keeps very restricted anyway - even Shepard him/herself couldn't get his/her Spectre status back if you had Udina and an all-human Council in ME2.
So considering the (possible) political situation I'm very sceptical. The only way I can see it happening without having to suspend my disbelief right now is if you made Anderson Councilor of an all-human Council.

[Shinannigan]

AVPen wrote...

As someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that a large reason for making the VS a Spectre was a purely policial move on the Council's and Alliance's part.

I thought about that as well. The problem is that the two options for the VS are really not at all interchangeable, so the implications of such a political move would be entirely different.

With Kaiden, there's only the implication that Shepard's teams actions are recognised in public - well, and the minor acknowledgement that the Turian hierarchy is willing to overlook the BAaT incident, which had been hushed up anyway.

With Ashley, the implication - apart from the aforementioned recognition - would be very different. It could either be that the Alliance is trying to change humanity's public perception of the First Contact War, trying to play nice with the Turians by showing the galaxy that they are actually promoting a human from a previously... politically inconvenient... family. Or it could be a (non all-human) Council's attempt to ****** off the Alliance by taking one of their blacklisted grunts and raising her to a higher rank than all Alliance admirals combined.

[Shinannigan]

LPPrince wrote...

By that logic, you could say that Kaidan and Ash were working under the first Human Spectre and ended up being directly responsible along with a team of aliens for winning The Battle of the Citadel.

That's their Akuze, Torfan, and Elysium.

My Shepard had Akuze.

Ash had The Citadel.

And while she wasn't leading the team, fighting alone, or massacring everything she saw, she worked perfectly to help take down the rogue Spectre agent Saren Arterius and save the day.

Unless you didn't take the VS with you to Ilos - in which case Ash/Kaidan would only have been standing behind the viewscreens of the Normandy during the Battle of the Citadel, saying "wow, look at the size of that thing" and doing nothing useful, considering that they are both ground troopers and useless in a dogfight.*

I'm really hoping we're getting a reason for their promotion which makes sense regardless of what choices we made along the way - my guess is that we probably will, since Bioware has to keep that little story as generic as possibly to be eligibly for both Ash and Kaidan.

*Edit: Well, maybe not Kaidan, considering he's sitting in the co-pilot's chair during the intro to ME1 and might very well be the SR1's weapon's chief, since he spends all that time calibrating close to the battery ramp between missions.

Modifié par Shinannigan, 06 septembre 2011 - 03:38 .

[Sajuro]

I hope they aren't because all that will do is bring Shepard's Spectre kill count up to 3

[Norskebanan]

If Kaidan's a Spectre, I don't want to be a Spectre anymore.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The VS has in theory Eden Prime, Feros, Therum, Noveria, Vermire, Ilos, the Citadel, and whatever they've been up to since, on their service record, plus Kaiden is a human biotic.


While you personally might not have taken the VS with you anywhere beyond Eden Prime, it's one of those gaming contrivances that they "were there". 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 06 septembre 2011 - 04:08 .

[Heimdall]

Shinannigan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

By that logic, you could say that Kaidan and Ash were working under the first Human Spectre and ended up being directly responsible along with a team of aliens for winning The Battle of the Citadel.

That's their Akuze, Torfan, and Elysium.

My Shepard had Akuze.

Ash had The Citadel.

And while she wasn't leading the team, fighting alone, or massacring everything she saw, she worked perfectly to help take down the rogue Spectre agent Saren Arterius and save the day.

Unless you didn't take the VS with you to Ilos - in which case Ash/Kaidan would only have been standing behind the viewscreens of the Normandy during the Battle of the Citadel, saying "wow, look at the size of that thing" and doing nothing useful, considering that they are both ground troopers and useless in a dogfight.*

I'm really hoping we're getting a reason for their promotion which makes sense regardless of what choices we made along the way - my guess is that we probably will, since Bioware has to keep that little story as generic as possibly to be eligibly for both Ash and Kaidan.

*Edit: Well, maybe not Kaidan, considering he's sitting in the co-pilot's chair during the intro to ME1 and might very well be the SR1's weapon's chief, since he spends all that time calibrating close to the battery ramp between missions.

  Well, there could be Virmire.

Armed the bomb?  Well then I guess it might be impressive that the Virmire survivor held their own against numerically superior Geth forces until Shepard arrived.

Went with the Salarian team?  Then the survivor proved themselves willing and able to work with other species effectively and hold it together under fire.

Not that these alone are enough of a reason for Spectre status, but they could help in that decision.

[Luigitornado]

Meh...I still think the VS is indoctrinated and you'll be forced to kill them or kill yourself to save them.

[Luigitornado]

Norskebanan wrote...

If Kaidan's a Spectre, I don't want to be a Spectre anymore.

Where is the God damn "like" button?!

Modifié par Luigitornado, 06 septembre 2011 - 04:07 .

[Dean_the_Young]

The game does not know and the lore literally does not care who your Shepard takes on the missions. As far as the lore treats it when looking back, there are no bench-warmers: all of the team is as familiar with an incident as if they were there themselves.

There are no 'doing nothing useful' characters when past events are referenced.

[Davie McG]

I wouldn't mind. They are both famous war heroes after Saren and the Geth. They are both close enough to Shepard that the council could use them to investigate Shepard without Shepard being aware of it.

Possibly even be tasked with finding enough evidence against him to have his status revoked or even have him taken out like they did Saren (the latter being highly unlikely but possible). I don't think it would be hard to imagine that the council think he's a traitorous terrorist after joining cerberus for a year (perhaps they think you've been with them for the two years you were dead), and after blowing up 300K batarians.

I think if Shepard wants to keep his specter status he'll have a ton of explaining to do first.