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[Made Nightwing]

Shinannigan wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Despite me killing Kaidan I would like to see how different he has become. Can he lead a team? Also I wonder if the VS are willing to get their hands dirty now since thats basically the main purpose of the Spectre.

Amen! Kaiden should have team-leading skills considering he was an officer long before he became a Spectre, in fact, that's why he survived in all of my playthroughs except for my worst-case-renegade. Sorry Ashley, but my Commander Shepards will pick the biotic/tech-expert officer over the gun-totin' NCO any time.

But it's the hands-dirty part which I'm very interested in seeing.

Ash also has all the hallmarks of an exceptional combat leader. Despite her blacklisted status, she manages to earn the rank of Gunnery Chief, and is her unit's Senior NCO at Eden Prime. If she hadn't been a Williams, they would have made her an officer based on sheer ability.

[MasterShepardN7]

It makes sense that the VS could become a Spectre because they were in close contact for Anderson and the Counsil in ME2 and they' were on secret missions that not even Cerberus could find out. That and I think it could add some really good drama when it come to ME3 and a possible struggle for power. Hell for all we know Shepard might even have some power struggle/incident with the VS and it definitely adds to the romance in sense of authority. I do wonder what would happen especially since both my Renegade and Paragon Shepard have Spectre status.

[darthnick427]

I'd still love to have a side mission for Garrus to suggest him for candidacy into the Spectres. It would be very rewarding for me since Shep and Garrus have always shared the Master and Apprentice relationship to me at least.

As for the VS as a Spectre. I'm down with it. It makes sense. Humanity would want another human in the Spectres since by my count that would give them two while the Other Council races put together have 100 or more. I would like an explanation as to how they were considered and then accepted into the Spectres. They better have done something note worthy. If their only qualification is "Being Shepard's Companion during the Saren stuff" that isn't good enough for me. Otherwise I'm happy.

[Gambit1st]

I believe it might just as well be possible that the Council allowed humanity to add another person to become a Specter, but only if that person was already known by them. That would qualify either Ashley or Kaidan by default. The Alliance wouldn`t disagree with that because it allows them a new Specter (possibly the only one, since Shepard died), which is incredibly important for humanity. It actually doesn`t matter who it is, as long as the Alliance can still have influence on what the Specter does. And I suppose that by picking the VS it means that they`re at least loyal enough to the Alliance to inform them of all things they do as a Specter.

As for a human council, I expect that they would want one of the 'heroes' of the Citadel war as an icon, considering Shepard died.

[Dean_the_Young]

Frankly, I'm always amazed by the people who insist that Shepard wasn't given Spectre status due to politics.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Frankly, I'm always amazed by the people who insist that Shepard wasn't given Spectre status due to politics.

Could you elaborate? 

[Made Nightwing]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Frankly, I'm always amazed by the people who insist that Shepard wasn't given Spectre status due to politics.

Could you elaborate? 

What he means is that the only reason Shepard was ever considered for Spectre candidacy was because Humanity was pushing for a seat on the Council, and getting a human in the Spectres would have helped them to achieve that goal.

[Gabey5]

don't care.... reapers are here... that is supersedes everything

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Frankly, I'm always amazed by the people who insist that Shepard wasn't given Spectre status due to politics.

Could you elaborate? 

Did Shepard get a Spectre slot because Shepard is made out of awesome-suase with a dash of win, or did Shepard get a shot at Spectre status because the Alliance was pushing for decades for any human to get a chance, and then threatened to leave Council space if the Council didn't address its fears of Saren's threat to the Alliance?

All evidence considered, Udina's outrage had more to do with Shepard becoming a Spectre than Shepard did.

[Annihilator27]

Gabey5 wrote...

don't care.... reapers are here... that is supersedes everything

Yes that.......... I owe Kaiden a punch in the fac though lmao.And if he ever pulls rank!!! Cant wait to find out how he got spectre status.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Frankly, I'm always amazed by the people who insist that Shepard wasn't given Spectre status due to politics.

Could you elaborate? 

Did Shepard get a Spectre slot because Shepard is made out of awesome-suase with a dash of win, or did Shepard get a shot at Spectre status because the Alliance was pushing for decades for any human to get a chance, and then threatened to leave Council space if the Council didn't address its fears of Saren's threat to the Alliance?

All evidence considered, Udina's outrage had more to do with Shepard becoming a Spectre than Shepard did.

It's probably both. 

Shep isn't exactly chopped liver.

[Gabey5]

annihilator27 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

don't care.... reapers are here... that is supersedes everything

Yes that.......... I owe Kaiden a punch in the fac though lmao.And if he ever pulls rank!!! Cant wait to find out how he got spectre status.

yeah but when it is all over if shepard chooses to remain with the alliance a promotion ceremony would be good. Or keeping shepard a renegade who sheds the spectre status, alliance rank, and cerberus connections, and goes independant looking for other threats... I bet after me3 there will be new threats hinted at

[didymos1120]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Frankly, I'm always amazed by the people who insist that Shepard wasn't given Spectre status due to politics.

The dialogue in the "Spectreing" scene even makes the fact that it was a political compromise plain as day.  They don't even discuss Shep's qualifications.  They don't even discuss Shep at all. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

They discuss Shep's qualifications in the opening scene of the game, don't they?

[WolfForce99]

If Blasto the hanar can make it as a spectre. I do not see the problem with Kaiden or Ashley. Also on Vermire, Ashley led the salarian team in to battle after Ker'gee died. She also kept some of the salarians alive and led the to victory, if you sent Ash with the salarians and saved them. To me that is impressive.

[didymos1120]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

They discuss Shep's qualifications in the opening scene of the game, don't they?

And so?  That's an entirely different scene, and one in which Shep did NOT become a Spectre.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

They discuss Shep's qualifications in the opening scene of the game, don't they?

And so?  That's an entirely different scene, and one in which Shep did NOT become a Spectre.

It was apparently enough for the Council to send Nihlus.

[AtreiyaN7]

Shepard was the first human Spectre candidate - is it that surprising that a fellow Alliance soldier who served under Shepard might be considered as a candidate as well? Also, with the whole Reaper thing going on, maybe the Council covertly did want to do more investigating into the subject after Shepard hooked up with Cerberus in ME2 or for other some other reason(s). *shrug*

[Zan Mura]

  I don't understand the topic name. Versus being a spectre? Versus what?
With regards to the contents of the OP: Since humanity has a spot on the council regardless of which route you took with saving the council and appointing Anderson / Udina to it, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect that humanity would be gaining new Spectres within a few years time since Shepard.

Also there are multiple factors contributing to why there would be new Spectres. For one, Shepard being a human probably broke all kinds of records with how fast after being granted a Spectre status, she rose to the top of fame, saved the galaxy and the council, etc. For two, Ash / K were both with Shep, basically meaning that not a whole lot of humans in the galaxy would have a CV capable of competing with their records, achievements and sheer experience. For three, since Shep died, either of those two would have had over 2 years prior to ME3 to rise from behind the shadow of Shepard and carve their own significant careers and achievements. We even know from ME2 that the survivor was partaking in some pretty damned covert stuff since even TIM didn't really know about it.

[didymos1120]

Zan Mura wrote...

  I don't understand the topic name. Versus being a spectre? Versus what?

VS == Virmire Survivor. 

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

They discuss Shep's qualifications in the opening scene of the game, don't they?

And so?  That's an entirely different scene, and one in which Shep did NOT become a Spectre.

It was apparently enough for the Council to send Nihlus.

OK, we're talking about what finally tipped the balance and secured Shep Spectre status, NOT what got Shep considered for Spectre status.  In the end, it was politics that did it. Yes, if Shep were some unqualified loser, it wouldn't have happened, but qualifications were not what motivated that decision in the least.

[Metalunatic]

So far I think its a crap concept. Neither of them seemed like Spectre-material to me...

[Badpie]

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

They discuss Shep's qualifications in the opening scene of the game, don't they?

And so?  That's an entirely different scene, and one in which Shep did NOT become a Spectre.

Yes but they were discussing the qualifications he had that were the entire reason they put him forth for SpecTRe candidacy.  The Council is well aware of his accompliments and record.  It doesn't matter that they didn't read them off a list at his induction.  Shepard had all the makings of being the first human SpecTRe, but his induction at the time of it was kind of forced and a political necessity.

I feel like Ashley or Kaidan, while qualified, which certainly went a long way toward it are mainly convenient candidates for SpecTRe consideration because of their affiliation with Shepard.

I still think either of them would do a great job though.

[cactusberry]

Personally, I don't like the idea of VS becoming a Spectre. Neither seem to have the abilities or personality to be a Spectre.

[Elanareon]

LPPrince wrote...

At this point, I think people don't want them to be Spectres just because it takes a little uniqueness away from Shepard.

Well they should realize that Shepard is more than a spectre now... He's a bloody icon!