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[ubermensch007]

It has been said that:

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—
those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

How is it that Kaidan and Ashley meet these qualifications.But someone as accomplished as  Jacob Taylor is.Is not considered a canidate for Spectre Status?!

He and Ash both survived the attack on Eden Prime.But Jacob didn't need Commander Shepard to save his ass! Like Ashley did.What has either Kaidan or Ashley even done, apart from Shepard's command and direction?

Jacob was the main protagonist of Mass Effect Galaxy:

And he saved the Citadel Council from a horrific

bioterrorism attack.

When Jacob was aboard the passenger liner Arcturian Jade.He took out the batarian attackers and saved the crew and passengers.Kai & Ash for
all we know have not even done something like that.

Jacob Taylor is Spectre material...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:07 .

[didymos1120]

ubermensch007 wrote...

It has been said that:

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—
those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

That's just some pretty, ceremonial stuff they say when Spectreing someone.  The beginning of the game makes it quite clear that Spectres are in fact chosen.

[ubermensch007]

Miranda Lawson is Spectre material, and maybe even more than that:

In the mid to late 90`s there was two very popular shows on Tv.One had a hero the other a heroine.

Hercules - The Legendary Journeys and Xena - Warrior Princess...

                   

Xena began as just an antagonist.Who then became a love interest and friend of the son of Zues. In a story arc during Hercules Adventures.She got such a good response from fans.That it warranted her getting her
own spin off series.That was a great success in its own right.

I see a parallel with Shepard and Lawson.In Mass Effect 2, Ms. Lawson is not only featured on the cover art to the game.

- She is in the Trailers and Promotional work.

- The first voice you hear in game.

-  Shepard's XO on the Normandy SR 2.

-  And she has more screen time and dialogue than any other NPC in the entire game!

I recently decided to record a play - through of ME 2. Which primarily focuses on Miri and Shep's interactions throughout the game -- and romance.

It begins with the Prologue, on to escaping the Lazarus station, meeting the Illusive Man, arriving at Freedom's Progress, then Conversations with Miranda on the SR 2, Onto her loyalty mission, the altercation with Jack, More banter on the Normandy, the Suicide Mission and post SM Content...

It clocks in at over 2 hours and 15 minutes.And I left some stuff out.Like the convo about Grunt.So it could have been longer...

I've watched this vid of mine now, multiple times.And what I have been amazed by.Is how good the game still is.Even if basically all the other squad-mates are edited out.

What I did is essentially make a movie of ME 2.Where its mostly just game footage of Miri and Shep.Jacob
guest stars here and there and so do a few others characters.

I realized from doing this.That if its still so good with just the two of them.If she can hold her own with
Commander Shepard.Scene for scene.Than there is a good possibility that she can be the star of her own game.  
Judging from how she has the "Character Thread" with:

• The most views and post on this website.

• As well as one of the biggest Fan art and Fanfiction Categories of any character from the Mass Effect series.

It would be beyond madness and idiocy for BioWare to not capitalize on such a huge fan-base and demographic. Devoted to Operative Miranda 
Lawson...

If Nina Williams of Tekken can get her own game.How much more deserved is one for Miranda Lawson? Who is nothing less than a Sci-Fi version of Wonder Woman... Only much cooler!?



The Game... As I see it.Should not be restricted to one time period.Post Reaper War or Pre- Battle of the Citadel.Instead it should cover both time periods.

1. We will get to play as her as a young girl in her fathers house.

2. As a Cerberus Operative.

Finally... Let me put it this way...

3."MIRANDA HAS THE SPECTRE LOGO TATTOOED ON HER ASS"

This is a woman who is a highly educated, well trained.Genetically engineered Super-woman...



She can "crush a mech with her biotics or shoot its head off at a 100 yards."



She proved that she could "Live the Bosses Life" As the project lead of the Lazarus Cell.

And Miranda lead the Fire Team during the Suicide mission.Without incident or loss of life.Even though some didn't trust her.

What
is Miranda going to do with herself after leaving Cerberus in ME 2? I
don't see her pulling a Mordin; and go from an exalted position to a
humble (but good) one.

With Shepard's recommendation.And her resume.How could she fail? As Nihilus put it - concerning the selection
of Spectre candidates:

"I don't care what race you are.Or what's your background.If you have the skills.You get the work."

4. In this game the ultimate goal will not be to save the galaxy.But rather to prevent a great war from taking place.

5. Miranda's appearance will be customizable.

Shepard calls Miranda a mutt in ME 2 So BioWare is free to let us play around with her look.Especially since this game is restricted to one
gender.

6. Guest Appearances...

What will it be like for Miri to encounter Jack when Shepard is not around to play referee?

In Mass Effect IV - This will be the first time that Commander Shepard is an NPC...

If you romanced Miri.Than Shep and her will be able to continue a long distance relationship throughout the game or decide that this is to difficult to do.And break up.But Shepard and Miranda will work together
again, at some point during the game.



Imagine how it will be to have the shoe on the other foot - and have to decide to either be loyal and faithful to Shepard; as some of us were to our ME1 Love Interest in ME 2... Or call things off...



7. Our Mass Effect 3 Save Imports will be usable in ME 4.

Self explanatory...

8. Game-play:

An amalgamation of Tomb Raider/Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Resident Evil 5...

Post Script:
 
When ME 4 comes out.I believe that BioWare should just go ahead and make it canon that "the first human Spectre" is ManShep.And in ME 4 we meet the first human

female Spectre.A woman who we already know (and alot of us love) pretty well: Miranda "Miri" Lawson.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:07 .

[didymos1120]

Are you just going to spam the thread with campaigning for other characters to become Spectres? Well, it's a bit too late for you to even hope to have an effect, and it's also annoying, so please knock it the hell off.

[Someone With Mass]

My guess why Jacob isn't considered a candidate?

He is, by Citadel law, a terrorist.

[ubermensch007]

There was a time when I thought that Lieutenant Kaidan Alenko might make a descent Spectre.I even have a "Poll" which raises that question:

"Kaidan Alenko should be a Spectre in Mass Effect 3"

That was how I felt, six months ago.But when I got to know and like Jacob and Miranda more.And compared their service records to Ash and Kai.

@didymos1120: It became clear to me that if one is to follow the "pretty ceremonial stuff" words:

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—
those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

Spectres are the "Best of the Best" If Ash herself says that Kaidan is a better soldier than her.Than how can she be good enough to be a Spectre alongside him?

With Taylor and Lawson.They are the exception to the rule.Both of them are good enough to be Spectres.Jacob was in the Alliance for 5 years, traveling all over the damn galaxy doing wet-work.Can Ashley or Kaidan say as much as this of themselves?

Operative Miranda Lawson has contacts on multiple worlds.She's hyper-competent and can kick ass.Need I say more...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:06 .

[didymos1120]

jreezy wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

It has been said that:

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—
those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

That's just some pretty, ceremonial stuff they say when Spectreing someone.  The beginning of the game makes it quite clear that Spectres are in fact chosen.

Doesn't it say that?

Um, yeah, it says that.  What makes you think I was disputing that?  I'm saying it's just some nice sounding stuff that shouldn't be taken literally.  If you pay attention to what other characters say, Spectres are indeed chosen.  The turians have formal Spectre training programs. The very first dialogue you hear in ME1 is Udina, Anderson, and Hackett in the midst of CHOOSING who they'll present as a candidate for the Spectres.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

Personally, I don't like the idea of VS becoming a Spectre. Neither seem to have the abilities or personality to be a Spectre.

Is this because you believe they aren't Paragon enough? Or because they aren't Renegade enough?

Or it has nothing to do with  Paragon/Renegade.

[Someone With Mass]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

Personally, I don't like the idea of VS becoming a Spectre. Neither seem to have the abilities or personality to be a Spectre.

Is this because you believe they aren't Paragon enough? Or because they aren't Renegade enough?

Or it has nothing to do with  Paragon/Renegade.

I don't think they have the right people skills. One can't simply gun down every problem there is.

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...


I don't think they have the right people skills. One can't simply gun down every problem there is.

"People skills" isn't a requirement for being a Spectre.

[Kaiser Shepard]

didymos1120 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...


I don't think they have the right people skills. One can't simply gun down every problem there is.

"People skills" isn't a requirement for being a Spectre.

Depends on how loosely you interpret the term.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think they have the right people skills. One can't simply gun down every problem there is.

Tell that to all previous Spectres, Shepard and his crew.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:12 .

[ubermensch007]

didymos1120 wrote...

Are you just going to spam the thread with campaigning for other characters to become Spectres? Well, it's a bit too late for you to even hope to have an effect, and it's also annoying, so please knock it the hell off.

No I'm not going to "spam"... this thread.Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it about the next human Spectre.It has not to my knowledge been confirmed by BioWare that the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre.(Maybe I missed that though)

I am merely stating that I think that there are two other humans in the Mass Effect Universe, who would make far better Spectre canidates than either Kaidan or Ashley....

Someone here has the word "VERSIMILITUDE" in their signature: I get this... Why my first two post in this thread are here.Is in part to show my reasons for why if the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre in ME 3.While Operative Jacob Taylor and Miranda Lawson are around.

I will not be able to "supspend my disbelief"  on that one... <_< Because the idea that the VS is more Spectre qualified than Jacob or Miranda is just preposterous !   I won't be able to take either Kai or Ash seriously as a Spectre...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:27 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Badpie wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

They discuss Shep's qualifications in the opening scene of the game, don't they?

And so?  That's an entirely different scene, and one in which Shep did NOT become a Spectre.

Yes but they were discussing the qualifications he had that were the entire reason they put him forth for SpecTRe candidacy.  The Council is well aware of his accompliments and record.  It doesn't matter that they didn't read them off a list at his induction.  Shepard had all the makings of being the first human SpecTRe, but his induction at the time of it was kind of forced and a political necessity.

The Alliance didn't put Shepard forward for Spectre because they thought he would do a swell job. They put Shepard forward for Spectre because they wanted a Spectre, and Shepard was a convenient person to be one. And the Council didn't put Shepard on the Spectre track because Shepard was good, but because the Alliance was pushing for it. And in the end, Shepard's skills or qualifications weren't what got him the status: Udina did.

No one gave Shepard Spectre status in particular because he earned it. Shepard got spectre status because others wanted a Spectre in general.

I'll have to do the start of ME again or find a youtube clip.  I recall them talking about what a perfect candidate Shep would be for Spectre. 

[MACharlie1]

ubermensch007 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Are you just going to spam the thread with campaigning for other characters to become Spectres? Well, it's a bit too late for you to even hope to have an effect, and it's also annoying, so please knock it the hell off.

No I'm not going to "spam"... this thread.Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it about the next human Spectre.It has not to my knowledge been confirmed by BioWare that the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre.(Maybe I missed that though)

I am merely stating that I think that there are two other humans in the Mass Effect Universe, who would make far better Spectre canidates than either Kaidan or Ashley....

Someone here has the word "VERSIMILITUDE" in their signature: I get this... Why my first two post in this thread are here.Is in part to show my reasons for why if the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre in ME 3.While Operative Jacob Taylor and Miranda Lawson are around.

I will not be able to "supspend my disbelief"  on that one... <_< Because the idea that the VS is more Spectre qualified than Jacob or Miranda is just preposterous !   I won't be able to take either Kai or Ash seriously as a Spectre...

While I agree - Miranda and Jacob are probably more capable - BUT - I don't think electing operatives of an organization that has declared you an enemy would be the most wise move. 

[Heimdall]

ubermensch007 wrote...

There was a time when I thought that Lieutenant Kaidan Alenko might make a descent Spectre.I even have a "Poll" which raises that question:

"Kaidan Alenko should be a Spectre in Mass Effect 3"

That was how I felt, six months ago.But when I got to know and like Jacob and Miranda more.And compared their service records to Ash and Kai.

@didymos1120: It became clear to me that if one is to follow the "pretty ceremonial stuff" words:

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—
those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

Spectres are the "Best of the Best" If Ash herself says that Kaidan is a better soldier than her.Than how can she be good enough to be a Spectre alongside him?

With Taylor and Lawson.They are the exception to the rule.Both of them are good enough to be Spectres.Jacob was in the Alliance for 5 years, traveling all over the damn galaxy doing wet-work.Can Ashley or Kaidan say as much as this of themselves?

Operative Miranda Lawson has contacts on multiple worlds.She's hyper-competent and can kick ass.Need I say more...

  I'll just point out that the Council would never give Spectre status to members or former members of a terrorist organization, much less a pro-human terrorist organization.

Also, the fact that Ashley is modest hardly disqualifies her for being a Spectre.

[TuringPoint]

I disagree @ OP. Here's why.

At the *very* least the VS had the eyes of the Council since the end of ME1, having worked with one of the most celebrated Spectres in bringing down the most infamous Spectre, If that wouldn't catch their attention, what would?

By the time Horizon is attacked, VS has been on the watch list for spectre status for two years.

They're given a solo mission to investigate colony disappearances. Is that normal treatment of cannon fodder? What normal Alliance soldier is given special, solo operations?

I think, in the time between ME1 and ME3, if not starting before ME1, there's plenty of time and reason to groom the VS for Spectre status.

The Alliance wants a living symbol for humanity to hold on to. When Shepard went KIA, the Alliance wasn't going to stop what they were doing because Shepard died, and never have another Spectre. So who would they pick? It's far more believable that they would pick someone on Shepard's team than find some unrelated bloke. Don't forget Shepard is one of the most celebrated Spectre's, not to mention the first human Spectre. It was the Alliance's dream, something they had been pushing for.

Then we have Shepard's trial, which might nail the first human Spectre's coffin. The Alliance pulls strings. Again, who would the choose? A seasoned warrior who has experienced possibly more than Shepard had before starting ME1, or again, some random bloke?

[Heimdall]

ubermensch007 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Are you just going to spam the thread with campaigning for other characters to become Spectres? Well, it's a bit too late for you to even hope to have an effect, and it's also annoying, so please knock it the hell off.

No I'm not going to "spam"... this thread.Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it about the next human Spectre.It has not to my knowledge been confirmed by BioWare that the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre.(Maybe I missed that though)

I am merely stating that I think that there are two other humans in the Mass Effect Universe, who would make far better Spectre canidates than either Kaidan or Ashley....

Someone here has the word "VERSIMILITUDE" in their signature: I get this... Why my first two post in this thread are here.Is in part to show my reasons for why if the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre in ME 3.While Operative Jacob Taylor and Miranda Lawson are around.

I will not be able to "supspend my disbelief"  on that one... <_< Because the idea that the VS is more Spectre qualified than Jacob or Miranda is just preposterous !   I won't be able to take either Kai or Ash seriously as a Spectre...

  They have confirmed it. yes.  How can you possibly think that the Alliance and the Council would consider Cerberus or former Cerberus agents for Spectre status over skilled soldiers that have been loyal to their cause.

[TuringPoint]

Sorry to 'double' post, but I have more to add on a slightly different (related) topic.

"Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy?" -Udina
"He's the only kind of person who CAN protect the galaxy." -Anderson

"The Council believes in you; they see something in you." Anderson said this, although I may be paraphrasing.

The Council dragged their feet initiating Shep, but only after Nihlus ended up dead and the candidate's (Shep's) mission failed. All he had to show for it seemed little more than superstition, or even madness. This is why the Council was so chilly when meeting Shepard the first time.

And this is proof of why VS might get a little suspicion, but working to figure out the missing colonies for the Alliance, formerly working with Shepard to defeat Saren, possibly save the Council's butts, would make them warmer to the proposition. In addition to the political convenience listed above, this would give them another symbol.  One who wouldn't raise questions about loyalty or the Council's decisions in general.

And, erm, it is extremely preposterous Jacob or Miranda would be considered.  Unless Cerberus had control of the council.

Modifié par Alocormin, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:46 .

[ubermensch007]

Lord Aesir wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Are you just going to spam the thread with campaigning for other characters to become Spectres? Well, it's a bit too late for you to even hope to have an effect, and it's also annoying, so please knock it the hell off.

No I'm not going to "spam"... this thread.Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it about the next human Spectre.It has not to my knowledge been confirmed by BioWare that the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre.(Maybe I missed that though)

I am merely stating that I think that there are two other humans in the Mass Effect Universe, who would make far better Spectre canidates than either Kaidan or Ashley....

Someone here has the word "VERSIMILITUDE" in their signature: I get this... Why my first two post in this thread are here.Is in part to show my reasons for why if the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre in ME 3.While Operative Jacob Taylor and Miranda Lawson are around.

I will not be able to "supspend my disbelief"  on that one... <_< Because the idea that the VS is more Spectre qualified than Jacob or Miranda is just preposterous !   I won't be able to take either Kai or Ash seriously as a Spectre...

  They have confirmed it. yes.  How can you possibly think that the Alliance and the Council would consider Cerberus or former Cerberus agents for Spectre status over skilled soldiers that have been loyal to their cause.

I guess b/c I give the Citadel Council more credit for being pragmatic and politically savy than they deserve.I see no reason why the Systems Alliance should be viewed by the Council as the only human organization that they can aquire talented and skilled operatives from.Neither Miranda or Jacob are still with Cerberus in many peoples playthroughs.The STG may not even know much of anything that either Taylor or Lawson did while working for Cerberus.

I don't care what anyone says... The Alliance is NOT HUMANITY - They are just another human instituition with (supposedly humanities best interest in mind) Although if what's on Keiji's greybox is discovered.The Systems Alliance is going to have alot of explaining to do.And the Council may distance themselves from it...

But should the Council ever reject the "best and the brightest" ?

Should the Council ever reject the "creme of the crop"? Like Jacob and Miranda are.I sure as hell wouldn't...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Someone With Mass wrote...

My guess why Jacob isn't considered a candidate?

He is, by Citadel law, a terrorist.

Does he come across better in MEG?  Because in ME2, he's such a doopy second fiddle to whoever he's with.