leonia42 wrote...
Except Saren already proved surrender is a bad idea.
I'm not exactly opposed to a turian golden age, actually.
It is a bad idea for turians because they are unworthy. Humans are worthy of salvation.
Would you sacrifice Earth if by doing so you could stop the reapers permanently?
Débuté par
KotorEffect3
, sept. 07 2011 01:31
#101
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 06:55
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
-
- Guests
It is a bad idea for turians because they are unworthy. Humans are worthy of salvation.
Retour en haut
#102
Guest_laecraft_*
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 06:57
Guest_laecraft_*
Guest_laecraft_*
-
- Guests
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Fair enough.laecraft wrote...
The thought of working with the Reapers did cross my mind. Which is a testament to how unhappy I was with the whole "Cerberus is the enemy now" plot twist.
I might do it yet, depending on how badly they handle Cerberus situation in the game. If I can't have real fun, I can at least watch the galaxy burn.
If you do indeed join the enemy, do so for your own reasons instead of the supposed inevitablity of their victory.
My reasons are meta...but I'll think of something in the game. If there will even be such an option, which I doubt very much.
Still, TIM aparently managed to find some reasons to do so, amazing as the feat is. Maybe so can my Shepard.
#103
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 06:58
Someone With Mass
-
- Members
- 38 560 messages
LookingGlass93 wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
Yes, because there are tons of humans in other places, so you wouldn't be dooming the species to extinction.
Population of Eden Prime as of 2183: 3,700,000
Population of Terra Nova as of 2183: 4,400,000
Population of Earth as of 2185: 11,400,250,000
Humans have only been colonising other planets for 30 years or so. The oldest, most popular and most prosperous colonies out there like Eden Prime and Terra Nova have populations of only a few million. Earth is where over 99.9% of every human lives.
If you sacrifice Earth you're left with less than 1% of the human race.
You know who else had to sacrifice billions of themselves to save their own race? The drell.
#104
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:03
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
-
- Guests
1%>0%LookingGlass93 wrote...
If you sacrifice Earth you're left with less than 1% of the human race.
#105
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:10
JGDD
-
- Members
- 2 105 messages
Sacrifice themselves? They were victims of bad planning and no foresight. I'd hardly call that laying down gracefully.Someone With Mass wrote...
LookingGlass93 wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
Yes, because there are tons of humans in other places, so you wouldn't be dooming the species to extinction.
Population of Eden Prime as of 2183: 3,700,000
Population of Terra Nova as of 2183: 4,400,000
Population of Earth as of 2185: 11,400,250,000
Humans have only been colonising other planets for 30 years or so. The oldest, most popular and most prosperous colonies out there like Eden Prime and Terra Nova have populations of only a few million. Earth is where over 99.9% of every human lives.
If you sacrifice Earth you're left with less than 1% of the human race.
You know who else had to sacrifice billions of themselves to save their own race? The drell.
#106
Guest_laecraft_*
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:16
Guest_laecraft_*
Guest_laecraft_*
-
- Guests
jreezy wrote...
1%>0%LookingGlass93 wrote...
If you sacrifice Earth you're left with less than 1% of the human race.
And 12 > 0. But where are the Protheans now?
Survival of the species is more complicated than simple math. And more variables factor in it than mere numbers. The krogan were very numerous once, and that was what caused their near extinction. The quarians lost their homeworld, yet they survived, even though it's more of an existence on life support than true life.
Some people are making a mistake of thinking that if some of humanity still survives, it's a victory. It is possible to suffer such heavy losses that this "victory" will be too much of a defeat. In our case, the key is our homeworld. If we lose the Earth now, we'll never recover.
#107
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:21
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
-
- Guests
Someone With Mass wrote...
You know who else had to sacrifice billions of themselves to save their own race? The drell.
Yes, and now they're polite slaves of the hanar. Glory is them.
#108
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:22
Someone With Mass
-
- Members
- 38 560 messages
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Sacrifice themselves? They were victims of bad planning and no foresight. I'd hardly call that laying down gracefully.
Some were obviously chosen over others. Their leaders had to make that sacrifice.
#109
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:23
Someone With Mass
-
- Members
- 38 560 messages
Saphra Deden wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
You know who else had to sacrifice billions of themselves to save their own race? The drell.
Yes, and now they're polite slaves of the hanar. Glory is them.
No, they're not slaves. They're merely serving the hanar because the drell owe them their lives.
Being a servant is completely optional.
#110
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:28
Rogue Unit
-
- Members
- 1 665 messages
If the Quarians can survive with less than 1% of their original population while limiting their breeding, so can humanity.
Modifié par Rogue Unit, 07 septembre 2011 - 07:28 .
#111
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:31
JGDD
-
- Members
- 2 105 messages
Someone With Mass wrote...
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Sacrifice themselves? They were victims of bad planning and no foresight. I'd hardly call that laying down gracefully.
Some were obviously chosen over others. Their leaders had to make that sacrifice.
And you know this how? Dying planet with billions of lives at stake and you think they went for the lottery? I have another idea - every drell for themselves. Their leaders already proved they were incapable of making concise decisions by killing their own planet.
#112
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:33
Kaiser Shepard
-
- Members
- 7 890 messages
Only because it's the honorable thing to do.Someone With Mass wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
You know who else had to sacrifice billions of themselves to save their own race? The drell.
Yes, and now they're polite slaves of the hanar. Glory is them.
No, they're not slaves. They're merely serving the hanar because the drell owe them their lives.
#113
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:36
Someone With Mass
-
- Members
- 38 560 messages
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Only because it's the honorable thing to do.
Yes, and it's still optional. If a drell fells like he owes the hanars his life, he's free to work for them.
If not, then he's free to do whatever he wants.
#114
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:36
Someone With Mass
-
- Members
- 38 560 messages
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
And you know this how? Dying planet with billions of lives at stake and you think they went for the lottery? I have another idea - every drell for themselves. Their leaders already proved they were incapable of making concise decisions by killing their own planet.
That sounds like one step ahead of anarchy.
#115
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:38
JGDD
-
- Members
- 2 105 messages
Someone With Mass wrote...
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
And you know this how? Dying planet with billions of lives at stake and you think they went for the lottery? I have another idea - every drell for themselves. Their leaders already proved they were incapable of making concise decisions by killing their own planet.
That sounds like one step ahead of anarchy.
If that's what it takes to survive.
#116
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:38
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
-
- Guests
Rogue Unit wrote...
If the Quarians can survive with less than 1% of their original population while limiting their breeding, so can humanity.
The quarians are dying and are forced to live in the gutter.
#117
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:40
Someone With Mass
-
- Members
- 38 560 messages
Saphra Deden wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
If the Quarians can survive with less than 1% of their original population while limiting their breeding, so can humanity.
The quarians are dying and are forced to live in the gutter.
So? They're not letting their pride get in the way of survival.
#118
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:44
SkittlesKat96
-
- Members
- 1 491 messages
ohbobsagetpiss wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
My main motivation for stopping the Reaper cycle is to save my own species. If I can't save my species then it isn't worth it to try and stop the Reaper cycle. If we die everyone should die.
Yup. That's how i feel.
Why are people saying this sort of stuff?
The Reapers are genociding billions and billions of people and if you have to sacrifice Earth to do it then its for the best...if sacrificing Earth and possibly humanity is the only way to stop the Reapers from constantly creating and genociding people then I'll do it. I don't see why if humanity dies everyone should do...that just seems messed up.
EDIT: I agree though that the other species are full of idiots but still
Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 07 septembre 2011 - 07:44 .
#119
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:44
JGDD
-
- Members
- 2 105 messages
Saphra Deden wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
If the Quarians can survive with less than 1% of their original population while limiting their breeding, so can humanity.
The quarians are dying and are forced to live in the gutter.
Exactly. Let's not be like them and lose our home world (especially by our hand). Even if humanity gets its collective ass handed to them they will put up a fight. Unlike...well, you know the rest.
#120
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:44
Golden Owl
-
- Members
- 4 064 messages
Hmmmm....Sounds like another species I know of....finding prothean technology on Mars was what saved them from their own self infected, made vile surroundings.justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Sacrifice themselves? They were victims of bad planning and no foresight. I'd hardly call that laying down gracefully.
#121
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:45
Kaiser Shepard
-
- Members
- 7 890 messages
That sounds like something an honorless Paragon would do.Someone With Mass wrote...
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Only because it's the honorable thing to do.
Yes, and it's still optional. If a drell fells like he owes the hanars his life, he's free to work for them.
If not, then he's free to do whatever he wants.
Au contraire, mon frère, their pride is what keeps getting in the way of their survival as a race time and again.Someone With Mass wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
Rogue Unit wrote...
If the Quarians can survive with less than 1% of their original population while limiting their breeding, so can humanity.
The quarians are dying and are forced to live in the gutter.
So? They're not letting their pride get in the way of survival.
#122
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:45
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
-
- Guests
Someone With Mass wrote...
So? They're not letting their pride get in the way of survival.
This has nothing to do with pride.
#123
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:47
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
-
- Guests
SkittlesKat96 wrote...
I don't see why if humanity dies everyone should do...that just seems messed up.
EDIT: I agree though that the other species are full of idiots but still
It's because I'm human and thus have nothing invested in the survival of a genetic line wholly incompatible with my own.
#124
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:53
JGDD
-
- Members
- 2 105 messages
Golden Owl wrote...
Hmmmm....Sounds like another species I know of....finding prothean technology on Mars was what saved them from their own self infected, made vile surroundings.justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Sacrifice themselves? They were victims of bad planning and no foresight. I'd hardly call that laying down gracefully.
True. But humans were smart enough to use that gift from the ancients and keep themselves from devolving into what the Drell did. Therefore we are superior.
#125
Posté 07 septembre 2011 - 07:54
LGTX
-
- Members
- 2 590 messages
I'm not fighting against the Reapers with priorities which limit my tactical thinking. I'm not fighting for humanity, I'm fighting for all organics. If the choice would really benefit the resistance as a whole, I'd do it.
