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[Last Vizard]

NO, i wouldn't sacrifice Earth to save everyone else... Rachni, Krogans and Quarians are good examples of what happens to species that aren't useful to the council. Best "sacrifice Earth" outcome begins with council species protecting Human survivers for thirty-forty years until costs start to pile up ending with a council vote to cut some "dead weight" from the budget.... Honestly how long do you think they'll be thankful for?

Once the Reaper invasion starts to near the end of living memory (space stripper memory doesn't count) they'll give us the same treatment as Krogans and Quarians.

Human colonies for the most part are there to mine resources for industry on Earth, majority of population (consumer base) is on Earth and if its lost the colonies are no longer able to turn a profit... no money means: no ship construction/defence research/military and civil maintinance/food and without the ability to defend all/any surviving colonies effectively we become targets for pirates/slavers. (they'll win in the long run)

I'd sacrifice myself and every alien in the universe (yes universe) if it meant i could save Earth and Humanity... if not? then everyone rides the cycle to extermination.

[ammyretsu]

Of course I would. Wouldn't be singing and dancing about having to do it but if it was either leave Earth intact but risk everything else or make a sacrifice and win...well, it's a no-brainer really. Got to make that sacrifice.

People will continue to live and thrive without Earth being there. Doesn't mean, like I've said, I'd be happy as this prospect but got to think of the bigger picture. The entire galaxy kinda has more value than one symbolic planet.

[BatmanPWNS]

And how will we even get to a situation like that?

Will it suddenly be like this.

David Anderson: Shepard have you thought of a plan to stop the Reapers?

Shepard: Yes. We will fake a distress signal to a planet so the Reaper can follow it and then [insert Deus Ex: Machina] and wipe the planet and them out.

David Anderson: Great idea Shepard, now what planet should we send them to.

Shepard: Earth! Duh because I love everything except my own species and planet.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 07 septembre 2011 - 06:59 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Yes if ultimately I would save more HUMAN lives this way.

However I would sacrifice every other species as a whole before making such a call ( if possible that is ). Racial equality is great and all but I care too much about humanity to let it be weakened or wiped out for any other species.

[stysiaq]

 That kind of choice is unlikely; after all, Shepard is just one wo/man. He can't decide about the fate of a whole planet.But it would be amusing, if there were choices which planet to sarifice, and the wheel would be like:
We dont have to!.....................[/color]Saturn
Investigate.....................................Uranus         
Earth...........................................Mars

Modifié par stysiaq, 07 septembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[Alamar2078]

If it was basically sacrifice Earth to stop the reapers permanently or "reapers win" then I would sacrifice Earth. Otherwise I'd try my best to find some other way than dooming one of the major "homeworlds" ...

[Costin_Razvan]

He can't decide about the fate of a whole planet

"Glances meaningfully at Arrival"

You so sure about that? Shepard could always decide to wipe out the Reapers ( if they are so dumb to mass on Earth ) by blowing up the Relay.

[JGDD]

All you sacrificial lemmings need to make sure your Shep is on Earth when it goes down. It's all your fault in the first place that the reapers turned an eye towards humans. To be 100% certain you have their undivided attention you need to be there keeping them occupied for your big choice to succeed.

[Azzlee]

For the greater good, yes.

[Costin_Razvan]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

All you sacrificial lemmings need to make sure your Shep is on Earth when it goes down. It's all your fault in the first place that the reapers turned an eye towards humans. To be 100% certain you have their undivided attention you need to be there keeping them occupied for your big choice to succeed.

And why should I do that?

Suicide is not really my thing. Personally I would do it in a way that would still leave the Alliance stronger, for example blow the Relay up but making sure to save the human fleet and ONLY the human fleet while every other fleet get's wiped out, then launching a conquest campaign across the undefended galaxy.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 07 septembre 2011 - 07:21 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

All you sacrificial lemmings need to make sure your Shep is on Earth when it goes down. It's all your fault in the first place that the reapers turned an eye towards humans. To be 100% certain you have their undivided attention you need to be there keeping them occupied for your big choice to succeed.

And why should I do that?

Suicide is not really my thing. Personally I would do it in a way that would still leave the Alliance stronger, for example blow the Relay up but making sure to save the human fleet and ONLY the human fleet while every other fleet get's wiped out, then launching a conquest campaign across the undefended galaxy.

Yes because when facing ultimate extinction we should all join in the lovley and time honoured sport of humanity.
Backstabbing and exploting all others as everything goes down the drain.

Lovely. 

[111987]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

All you sacrificial lemmings need to make sure your Shep is on Earth when it goes down. It's all your fault in the first place that the reapers turned an eye towards humans. To be 100% certain you have their undivided attention you need to be there keeping them occupied for your big choice to succeed.

And why should I do that?

Suicide is not really my thing. Personally I would do it in a way that would still leave the Alliance stronger, for example blow the Relay up but making sure to save the human fleet and ONLY the human fleet while every other fleet get's wiped out, then launching a conquest campaign across the undefended galaxy.

You realize that taking over the galaxy with a single fleet would never work right?

Not to mention one of the human's biggest fleets, the one protecting Earth, has already been devastated.

[JGDD]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

All you sacrificial lemmings need to make sure your Shep is on Earth when it goes down. It's all your fault in the first place that the reapers turned an eye towards humans. To be 100% certain you have their undivided attention you need to be there keeping them occupied for your big choice to succeed.

And why should I do that?

Suicide is not really my thing. Personally I would do it in a way that would still leave the Alliance stronger, for example blow the Relay up but making sure to save the human fleet and ONLY the human fleet while every other fleet get's wiped out, then launching a conquest campaign across the undefended galaxy.

It's not suicide, it's the greater good. Now you're picking and choosing specifics? Let's just stick to the original line without the addendum's. You are presented a now or never choice. Make it.

[Costin_Razvan]

It's not suicide, it's the greater good. Now you're picking and choosing specifics? Let's just stick to the original line without the addendum's. You are presented a now or never choice. Make it.

Because it's NEVER that simple.

 You realize that taking over the galaxy with a single fleet would never work right?

Not to mention one of the human's biggest fleets, the one protecting Earth, has already been devastated.

The entire Galaxy? Hell no, the entire COUNCIL Galaxy that just lost all it's fleets at Earth? Then hell yes.

Oh not saying it would be quick or easy, anyone thinking any war is THAT is an idiot, but it would be doable and that's enough for me to think of attemping it on my Shepard.

Of course Bioware would never give a player such a complex choice like setting up a galactic Empire on his own will ( as in being proactive ) but eh one can dream of the posibilities.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 07 septembre 2011 - 07:30 .

[DarthSlim108]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

And how will we even get to a situation like that?

Will it suddenly be like this.

David Anderson: Shepard have you thought of a plan to stop the Reapers?

Shepard: Yes. We will fake a distress signal to a planet so the Reaper can follow it and then [insert Deus Ex: Machina] and wipe the planet and them out.

David Anderson: Great idea Shepard, now what planet should we send them to.

Shepard: Earth! Duh because I love everything except my own species and planet.

I agree. I would sacrifice Earth if it was absolutely the only way to stop the Reapers, but I can't really see how that would be a plausible situation.

[JGDD]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It's not suicide, it's the greater good. Now you're picking and choosing specifics? Let's just stick to the original line without the addendum's. You are presented a now or never choice. Make it.

Because it's NEVER that simple.

Why bother in this discussion then? The question is simple, make the choice right now to end the vast majority of humanity or not for the greater good.

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 07 septembre 2011 - 07:31 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Greater Good? Sure let's simplify genocide because it's just like that.

What methods do you use to destroy Earth, why was this situation brought on you, how would it bring victory and what would be the aftermath.

The OP asked a question which started a discussion, a discussion can then evolve past the original point.

Short Answer: deal with it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 07 septembre 2011 - 07:34 .

[111987]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It's not suicide, it's the greater good. Now you're picking and choosing specifics? Let's just stick to the original line without the addendum's. You are presented a now or never choice. Make it.

Because it's NEVER that simple.

 You realize that taking over the galaxy with a single fleet would never work right?

Not to mention one of the human's biggest fleets, the one protecting Earth, has already been devastated.

The entire Galaxy? Hell no, the entire COUNCIL Galaxy that just lost all it's fleets at Earth? Then hell yes.

Oh not saying it would be quick or easy, anyone thinking any war is THAT is an idiot, but it would be doable and that's enough for me to think of attemping it on my Shepard.

Of course Bioware would never give a player such a complex choice like setting up a galactic Empire on his own will ( as in being proactive ) but eh one can dream of the posibilities.

No, it wouldn't be quick or easy. It would be impossible.

First of all, why would all the Council races fight to take back Earth if the Alliance themself won't be there?

Second of all, the Alliance fleet would be devastated against the war with the Reapers, so they wouldn't be all that strong anyways.

Third, the other species would still have their militaries, such as their ground troops. And the ability to reconstruct their fleets; they have a LOT more colonies than humans do, and they are much more heavily populated.

Fourth, even if the Council races lost all of their fleets, how could the Alliance possibly hope to subjugate them all? There's way too many. It'd be like the U.S trying to occupy the entire world; it would never work. Guerilla warfare, terrorism, resistance movements, things like Asari Commandos and STG experts...they would bleed the Alliance dry.

[Last Vizard]

111987 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

All you sacrificial lemmings need to make sure your Shep is on Earth when it goes down. It's all your fault in the first place that the reapers turned an eye towards humans. To be 100% certain you have their undivided attention you need to be there keeping them occupied for your big choice to succeed.

And why should I do that?

Suicide is not really my thing. Personally I would do it in a way that would still leave the Alliance stronger, for example blow the Relay up but making sure to save the human fleet and ONLY the human fleet while every other fleet get's wiped out, then launching a conquest campaign across the undefended galaxy.

You realize that taking over the galaxy with a single fleet would never work right?

Not to mention one of the human's biggest fleets, the one protecting Earth, has already been devastated.

Thank you America for Pearl harbouring our greatest fleet.... should've put some German tactitions in charge of everything.

[JGDD]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Greater Good? Sure let's simplify genocide because it's just like that.

That is what was posed to us.

What methods do you use to destroy Earth, why was this situation brought on you, how would it bring victory and what would be the aftermath.

Destroying a Mass Relay has a 100% system wide extermination record. We don't know why it was brought up to us, just that it is. The aftermath is as unknown as is the next hour of your life. Don't be naive thinking you can predict the future.

The OP asked a question which started a discussion, a discussion can then evolve past the original point.

The discussion can but the original standing question remains. Do it or not?

Short Answer: deal with it.

I am by continuing in a level headed manner. This little quip has never done more to me than make a smirk appear when someone is having troubles responding to a direct and honest question.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yes. It's a s***hole by that time anyway. If it would permanently stop the reapers. I would have no problem.

There are sufficient humans to make up a viable gene pool scattered around the galaxy.

[Last Vizard]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yes. It's a s***hole by that time anyway. If it would permanently stop the reapers. I would have no problem.

There are sufficient humans to make up a viable gene pool scattered around the galaxy.

Nice breeding populaion of slaves.

[Fenris_13]

Sacrifice Earth? Absolutely.

[Costin_Razvan]

Last Vizard wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yes. It's a s***hole by that time anyway. If it would permanently stop the reapers. I would have no problem.

There are sufficient humans to make up a viable gene pool scattered around the galaxy.

Nice breeding populaion of slaves.

Now now, the Council is a bit more subtle then that, but yes ultimatly that is what would happen to Humanity.

Unless of course a number of Relay accidents would occur at the same time on other homeworld star systems. I blame the Reapers 

Though I hope to God that if we are given such a choice it will be a complex one that is NOT zero summed.

[Last Vizard]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yes. It's a s***hole by that time anyway. If it would permanently stop the reapers. I would have no problem.

There are sufficient humans to make up a viable gene pool scattered around the galaxy.

Nice breeding populaion of slaves.

Now now, the Council is a bit more subtle then that, but yes ultimatly that is what would happen to Humanity.

Unless of course a number of Relay accidents would occur at the same time on other homeworld star systems. I blame the Reapers 

Though I hope to God that if we are given such a choice it will be a complex one that is NOT zero summed.

True, funny you should mention other Relay accidents because i said a similar thing in another thread, where i'd reduce total alien population to the same as Humanity's post Earth sacrifice.... only way to be fair.

Modifié par Last Vizard, 07 septembre 2011 - 08:05 .