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[Nessin]

Just to toss in another point of view I didn't see (although it was a huge thread so I could have missed it):



I normally don't have an issue with DLC, but I do in this particular case, for two reasons:



1) Quality. I understand 5-10 bucks only goes so far, but you should at least cater to the entire range of possibilities if its easily doable. Why does the sword (forgot the stupid name) come only in one-handed or two-handed sword form? Why isn't there an option for Axe/Mace? Slight icon change, take the sword texture and put it on top of an axe/mace model, and give it a name name, BAM! Shale has four completely unique skill paths, but then comes with the warrior baseline skills while Dog doesn't (or vice versa, why does Shale have them)? Where is the disconnect? Little stuff like that really bugs the hell out of me. Especially in Warden's Keep, since I paid for that one and its such a short isolated area with lots of minor nags like that.



2) Balance. I like extra stuff for the sake of having extra stuff. But the problem comes into play that I don't enjoy limiting myself forcibly to improve my game experience. So, I'm going to get the DLC because I enjoy having more stuff and I have a reasonable expectation to enjoy it on an even standing with the rest of the game. But Warden's Keep and Stone Prisoner are insane with respect to impact on the rest of the game. Going to the Warden's Keep nets you numerous benefits that will last for the rest of the game. Shale is, beyond a doubt, the most powerful NPC you can get. Sure you can turn any character into a power-house with some work, but Shale is one by default no matter which role you fill with her. Again, I realize you can just not go get them, but then I'm playing the game thinking "Man, I could just go the Warden's Keep and pick up the sweet sword there instead of looking for a crappier one out here" or "Geeze, Alister sucks big time, why don't I just go and get Shale to tank for me?"

[LSDS]

CrazyKindBud wrote...
Who else thinks its [bull] that you have to download more content after paying $60?!

You don't have to buy the DLC.  You can play the game just fine without adding any of the extras.

Modifié par LSDS, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:21 .

[Inarai]

micheal001 wrote...

Georg Zoeller wrote...

Please don't insult other posters on our forums, thank you. We would hate to ban you.

micheal001 wrote...

french lies wrote...

micheal001 wrote...

Isn't that the truth. Even though I am a consumer and make like the product like a game or a car with us as consumers the compainess like RA and Bioware end up like the banks...the crash. But I like what you say from this day forward I will tell everyone I know not too buy EA or Bioware products....because

if you don't think a product is worth the asking price then simply don't buy it.

I'm not sure I understand here, are you saying that the implementation of a DLC model for Dragon Age effectively makes it impossible for any EA/Bioware product to be worth its asking price? And I can't help but imagine you have larger issues if you feel that the sale of optional content for the price of a sandwich is such a heinous crime that you would wish for the failure of an entire company.

This is what I detest the most is some players make irrational aassumptions and defend gaming companies for the little scams. Here you have Bioware releases a new pc game and on the %$%$ same day says  "WAIT" there downloadble content for extra money on the same $#@# day that the game is released and here you just spent $69.99 or $100.00 dollars.

But hey you like bending over and taking it and are willing too exept EA/Bioware giving to you thats fine many of us are not because it sets a standard now for other compaines too say buy this game then say six hours after release ..you can't do that quest because you don't have the extra content... %$##@@@ you.

I do apologize. But the bioware that I knew is no longer the same Bioware from 1998. The agenda attitude is no longer the same but has been " I feel " replaced when EA took precedence over Bioware's work. Setting this example of CLC ruins game place when as a D&D play you want too be immersed into game play rather then whipping out a credit card because you can't do a quest. Where do you draw the line do you continue too attach yourself to this idea and gamble with your new DLC idea and may run a black mark against you or do you make the games that have been dedicated too people.

So, what, you'd rather no extra content was produced at all just because you're not a fan of the model?  This doesn't seem the least bit selfish to you?

[BrunoB1971]

People have to get in their thick head that the landscape of pc and gaming is changing. Companies have to find ways to make money...
If they would not make money there would be no expansion no nothing after the first game....everybody is excited about dragon age and everybody wants to play it but what if the EA and bioware would not make enuff money to make an expansion?
Surely we have seen that with many publishing companies. One great game then they go belly up!
If people like this franchise they will support the model that EA and bioware has decided upon to make money out of the game.
Why i like dlc's?
They usually come up pretty quick.
Don't have to run to the store to get them.
They are always in stock.
Fast to get thru the internet. you pay, you sit on your butt, wait for the download to finish and then you play, it can't get better than that.
DlC's come in many flavors, you can choose what you want and don't want.
Dont have to wait eternities for dlc's because of steady incoming of cash the dev's can afford to have big group of people to work on a project which means dlc's will come out faster.
I don't have to pay monthly fees to play this game. So even if i should pay the equivalent of what i paid originally for the game in a year, i do not lose, i gain in the process.
Do yourself a favor, buy tons of Bioware points when you have spare change and when the time comes you won't be running around to gather some money to buy those points to get the latest dlc's, that is what i did.!!!!


peace

Modifié par BrunoB1971, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:30 .

[slikster]

jasonirma wrote...
There is a fix for that issue.  Go to the tech forums, it's a stickied post.

I'm having trouble finding said post.  Help a brother out please.  I may be blind, but can't see it.

[addiction21]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

michael001, the ignorance in your posts seeps though my monitor.

I hear waffles are very absorbent.

[Wild Maiden]

Are the fixes for Rogues and +__% to healing items going to be offered in DLC format for $5 like the storage chest was?

[Georg Zoeller]

Should we?

 I'm just asking, because I'm pretty sure we've made clear that we do not believe in charging for patches, but people like you asking that question surely will make the beancounters start thinking that there is a demand from people to pay us for patches. I won't be able to hold those vicious accountants at bay if more people like you make such obviously great suggestions.

Wild Maiden wrote...

Are the fixes for Rogues and +__% to healing items going to be offered in DLC format for $5 like the storage chest was?

[Wickedjelly]

Georg Zoeller wrote...

Should we?

 I'm just asking, because I'm pretty sure we've made clear that we do not believe in charging for patches, but people like you asking that question surely will make the beancounters start thinking that there is a demand from people to pay us for patches. I won't be able to hold those vicious accountants at bay if more people like you make such obviously great suggestions.

Sweet jesus, you're going to rile them up even more.

Instigator

[tanstaafl28]

I do not. I see it as a smart long-term investment. I want DLC to increase the replay value of the original game. I'm perfectly willing to pay a modest fee for this service. As it extends the life of the game, I do not see it as bull.

I would recommend you might want to forget gaming all together. Pack them all up and take up knitting, or some other hobby.  

[Wild Maiden]

Georg Zoeller wrote...

Should we?

 I'm just asking, because I'm pretty sure we've made clear that we do not believe in charging for patches...

But do you believe in releasing patches?  We're still waiting...

[Freebeers]

To answer the question, Yes I am more than happy to pay as I was blessed by the gods and my Phenom CPU was unlocked..so Dragon Age is 100+fps and it is very enjoyable, bug free, and a piece of art. I have a choice to buy the content or not. Also I didn't pay 60usd but like 40...and thats like 30minutes of work for me at my job.

[Brunopolis]

My only beef with DA:O is the size of the DLC. I like DLC when it is done like in Oblivion Shivering Isles. I'd pay 30 bucks for a real expansion. Not 5-10 bucks for a single scenario.

[Wild Maiden]

Freebeers wrote...

To answer the question, Yes I am more than happy to pay as I was blessed by the gods and my Phenom CPU was unlocked..so Dragon Age is 100+fps and it is very enjoyable, bug free, and a piece of art. I have a choice to buy the content or not. Also I didn't pay 60usd but like 40...and thats like 30minutes of work for me at my job.

Lol.

[Georg Zoeller]

There were already 2 patches on the PC (consoles require platform certification and thus take much longer.) You're apparently not waiting hard enough.

Then again, you're clearly willing to pay for them, so maybe....

Wild Maiden wrote...

Georg Zoeller wrote...

Should we?

 I'm just asking, because I'm pretty sure we've made clear that we do not believe in charging for patches...

But do you believe in releasing patches?  We're still waiting...

Modifié par Georg Zoeller, 23 novembre 2009 - 08:03 .

[Mordaedil]

Georg Zoeller wrote...

There were already 2 patches on the PC (consoles require platform certification and thus take much longer.) You're apparently not waiting hard enough.

Then again, you're clearly willing to pay for them, so maybe....

I'd say looking hard enough. Seriously, your work on the patch support seems to rival what you did for NWN. I think that's a compliment if there ever was one.

If this current trend is a sign of things to come, I mean. And straight after launch, that's saying something.

[BrunoB1971]

OT:

anyways this board needs to be cleaned up, the same topics keep popping over and over, unless you use the search engine you will have to read thru pages after pages of basically the same thing...bug reports ( if you on the techincal board ) but most threads are about the same problem, please clean the boards..

dlc's are cool!

Modifié par BrunoB1971, 23 novembre 2009 - 11:07 .

[Thibbledorf26]

The original DA game is a quality game with very high value, each playthrough for me lasts 90-100 hours. I am annoyed at the DLC choices, but not furious over it, since it is voluntary and I got good value for my purchase of DA already.



I am annoyed because I prefer 20 hour or so expansions that occur in different areas as a seperate game, with a different storyline, areas and companions. Like the nwn2 or bg2 expansions. I am willing to wait a year for this, but I doubt the excellent dragon age storyline will be expanded on until DA2, the current focus (probably led by EA but acquiesced to by Bioware) is to offer very small add-ons for an inflated price compared to content.



If a 20 hour expansion is 30-40 bucks how can a one hour add-on be 5-7bucks?

[Emryc]

[Sarcasm]



Let us analyze the argument put forth.

"It is poop that you have to download more content after paying 60 euro."



The assumption that you -have- to buy it has already been debunked, so let us move to the REAL argument.

"It is poop that some NPC asks you to download additional content if you want to do his quest. This makes the game incomplete."



On a purely logical level, you are actually correct. If there's a guy telling you to do his quest, but you will have to buy and download his quest first, that does make the game incomplete. If the game was complete, but the DLC were to be optional, the guy wouldn't be there in the first place. This... is actually something I agree with. In Baldur's Gate I you didn't had Imoen asking you to go to Durlag's Tower, but only if you bought Tales of the Sword Coast first. I actually agree that it's a bit of a nasty design choice made by Bioware/EA.



However, so are the times we live in. At least the guy stands at your camp and can easily be ignored. It would have been worse if your party members would whine and moan about it all the time.

[WishFish123]

Yes it is a shame.

[ItmustBeDONE]

outlaworacle wrote...

It is a complete game. Despite the annoyance of the NPC in your camp no one is FORCING you to buy DLC, you do not HAVE to. Believe me, there's between 30-100 hours depending on your playstyle without ever touching DLC.

Just to make sure the point is clear: the DLC are totally optional. The game is complete as shipped, minus the free Shale download which is it's own story.

I don't see a reason that npc should be there at all. It's as if it demands you to buy it. It shouldn't be there if you cannot do it. Since when was this game some MMORPG?

[Zoe Dedweth]

To the orignal poster. You don't HAVE to download ANY content after paying for the game. Don't download any dlc. Problem solved. You have your game and people who want dlc are also happy. See ?

[Keldon Northwind]

Right, so let me try and wrap my brain around this:



You (OP) pay 60 odd bucks for a game - which although has some minor bugs - is for the most part well done and can easily hold you enthralled for the next odd 50-100 hours (depending on how much effort you want to put in) and then go on to say that you need the DLC but you don't want to pay?



Last I checked, DLC was OPTIONAL. Meaning you can get it if you WANT TO, not that you need to have it to play the game.



I personally have been through the game a few times now, next time around I'm gonna try and hit up all the side-quests (Yes, I*m an achievement-wh+re). And let me tell you: I only have the CE DLC's. Nothing more. Nothing less and the game is perfectly playable regardless. It was playable even BEFORE I added the items.



So your reasoning that you need to have the DLC's to be able to play the game is kind of flawed.



Like the poster above me also said: "You don't have to download.You have your game and people who want the DLC have theirs. Everyone happy. Problem solved."

[french lies]

ItmustBeDONE wrote...

I don't see a reason that npc should be there at all. It's as if it demands you to buy it. It shouldn't be there if you cannot do it. Since when was this game some MMORPG?

It's just a clever form of in-game advertisement. If it wasn't there the DLC would be buried beneath layers of menus on PSN, XBL or Steam and most people would never have heard of it.

Would you prefer a giant ad playing on the loading screen or a billboard in Denerim? Or Bioware selling a negligent amount of the DLC?