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[Troispoint]

DJoker35 wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

Then don't buy it. And if you think that the game as is without it isn't worth what you already paid for it, well then, that's something different.

Thats such a run away excuse. Getting ripped off of a part of the game because they want to make more money isnt a matter of consumer choice. Its just abusive.

[Torias]

marlowwe wrote...

Torias wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

nope, that is factually incorrect.

Proof?

Because they told us that?

Because it's the most logical explanation?

Or are you assuming that the people we've been talking to for years are all lying to us in some huge conspiracy that involves dozens of bioware employees?

[Mordaedil]

marlowwe wrote...

Torias wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

nope, that is factually incorrect.

Proof?

They didn't charge for the Shale DLC and has not been pumping out tiny DLC's asking for cash in trade for god-like items with no story attached and the one DLC that did cost money didn't cost $15.

I can conclude that it's definately not "a quick buck" out of that alone. Unless you wish to open up the toolset and whip up something superior to that at least.

[Inarai]

CrazyKindBud wrote...

all im saying is the fact that there is a char in the main game promoting an expansion makes it pretty freakin obviously that its a scam. its not like they patched that char in after they already shipped out thousands of copies. dont be nieve... anyway im done, figured others would be a little upset about this but i guess you all like having to pay more for what we should have gotten free.

...

You people and your sense of entitlement...  There's no reason why additional content should be free.


Also, since when does merely advertising something make it a scam?

[personal insults removed]
(Sorry)

Modifié par Inarai, 22 novembre 2009 - 12:25 .

[Torias]

Troispoint wrote...

DJoker35 wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

Then don't buy it. And if you think that the game as is without it isn't worth what you already paid for it, well then, that's something different.

Thats such a run away excuse. Getting ripped off of a part of the game because they want to make more money isnt a matter of consumer choice. Its just abusive.

you weren't ripped off.

you got exactly what you paid for.

We all paid for what was in the box.

Once the box was done, they started a seperate team, with a seperate business model.

That team makes new content, with the justification of new revenue to make it worthwhile.

That new content can be integrated into the original game, to make it easier for people to find out about it.

Even more new content is coming out shortly, return to ostagar. Will you feel "ripped off" by the existance of that as well?

[marlowwe]

eisberg77 wrote...

marlowwe wrote...

Torias wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

nope, that is factually incorrect.

Proof?

Like many people have stated, the game was completed earlier this year, but was delayed to make a console version.  This game was supposed to be a PC exclusive till EA bought Bioware.  Wardens Keep was developed after the game completion with it being developed as a DLC to be bought.

What you say is true.

However it would have been best if instead of bringing Warden's keep in as a DLC they could have simply used those resources along with those of Return to Ostagar to work on something much more meaty than a $7 DLC. The DLC model is a straight up money grab.

[Inarai]

Troispoint wrote...

DJoker35 wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

Then don't buy it. And if you think that the game as is without it isn't worth what you already paid for it, well then, that's something different.

Thats such a run away excuse. Getting ripped off of a part of the game because they want to make more money isnt a matter of consumer choice. Its just abusive.

Except it's not part of the game.

[Inarai]

marlowwe wrote...

eisberg77 wrote...

marlowwe wrote...

Torias wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

nope, that is factually incorrect.

Proof?

Like many people have stated, the game was completed earlier this year, but was delayed to make a console version.  This game was supposed to be a PC exclusive till EA bought Bioware.  Wardens Keep was developed after the game completion with it being developed as a DLC to be bought.

What you say is true.

However it would have been best if instead of bringing Warden's keep in as a DLC they could have simply used those resources along with those of Return to Ostagar to work on something much more meaty than a $7 DLC. The DLC model is a straight up money grab.

If you want to go that far, ALL business is a straight up money grab.  Where do you draw the line?

[Torias]

marlowwe wrote...

eisberg77 wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

And another person who knows nothing about the development of this game.  Your "Fact of the matter" is in fact false.

You fanboys keep saying that but neither you nor Bioware has stated exactly WHY they brought the DLC model in. 

They brought it in so that they can make money and provide a fun experience for their fan base.

Just like they build dragon age so that they can make money and provide a fun experience for their fan base.

They're a business.

As a business, bioware happens to have a good balance between making money and keeping their customers happy.

Modifié par Torias, 22 novembre 2009 - 12:25 .

[ITSSEXYTIME]

CrazyKindBud wrote...

bought this game thinking it would be the full game but no. the second i log it offers me downloadable content? there are missions in the main story line you cant do without paying another $10. I knew EA was a lame ass company but i didnt think Bioware would be as well. Im extremely diapointed in these shiesty policies...

[Edit] Careful with the language. You still have to follow the Terms of Service.

1. You do get a full game.  The only content you should be missing out on is Warden's Keep, which is content that is very much isolated from the main game experience.

2. The DLC is not content that was "removed from the game" to make a quick buck.  When a game goes into Feature Lock it means that they DO NOT add any new content for the purposes of Quality Assurance. (Bug Testing)  With a game as massive as Dragon Age it is in the QA process for a very long time. (Several months)

While the game was in QA the DLC team picked up Shale off the cutting room floor and created Warden's Keep.  However at the point the game is in feature lock they cannot add the content onto the disc, because then they basically have to restart QA.  It is much better to ship the game disc and then make the content DLC than it is to delay the game and add the content onto the disc.  They want to be sure that the retail game you buy is fully tested and working properly with as few bugs as possible.  Having the DLC available for download at launch is just how things worked out as the DLC was completed in time for release.  


Why is QA so important? Just look at how many people are having issues with DLC.  Personally, I have one character that cannot do Warden's Keep or Stone Prisoner for whatever reason despite the content working on other characters.  Now imagine if this happened in the retail game itself and not secondary content, in DLC form the content is isolated and therefore having it not work doesn't corrupt the maingame experience but when you start having these kinds of issues with main game quest you can quite easily make the game impossible to complete.  

Modifié par ITSSEXYTIME, 22 novembre 2009 - 12:30 .

[Hyunsai]

By the way, why Stone prisoner DLC was free ?

[Eurypterid]

marlowwe wrote...

What you say is true.

However it would have been best if instead of bringing Warden's keep in as a DLC they could have simply used those resources along with those of Return to Ostagar to work on something much more meaty than a $7 DLC. The DLC model is a straight up money grab.

As Inarai said, the game is a straight-up money grab, if you want to look at it that way. Where do you draw the line?

But you know what the beauty of it is: you don't haev to buy it if you feel it's not worth it. It doesn't impact your game if you don't have it, and the game you bought is complete without it. I honestly don't see your point here.

[Mopreme_]

The vanilla game will last from 40-100 hours and has alot of replay value. You have the OPTION of buying DLC.

Off the top of my head I cant name any game released recently that will last you that many hours out of the box.

Some people will **** and moan about anything it seems.

[eriaa]

I fail to see how not having the DLC makes this an incomplete game. I played through the game without doing any of the DLC. I bought it new, so I did get The Stone Prisoner, but did not even play it until my second play through. On my first play through, I was never hindered, or stopped, or felt like I was missing out on anything the game had to offer, because I didn't have the DLC.



I went ahead and got Warden's Keep and played through it last night. Again, I don't feel anything I got from that DLC, makes the game more playable. I was able to complete the game without the new items from it, or the new skills. It in no way changed or shaped the main campaign to differ than what it is without the DLC.



It really is a matter of, if you don't like it, don't buy it. It's extra content, and in no way does not having it subtract from the experience of the main campaign.

[F-C]

one of my favorite transformer 2 quotes:



"this fool is terribly misinformed"

[Extacykillz]

Hmm..I Got the 2 DLC and i think its well worth 5 bucks.. 5bucks is less than a tank of gas haha and u get more out of most things ud buy for 5 bucks..

[Torias]

Hyunsai wrote...

By the way, why Stone prisoner DLC was free ?

Technically, it's free with new copies of the game.

Its an attempt to provide an incentive for people to buy a new copy of the game, rather than a second hand copy.

or, if someone buys a second hand copy, they might buy the stone prisoner dlc.

THAT is the business model that justified the additional resource expenditure for the stone prisoner dlc.

Basically, the second hand market is a big problem for publishers and developers, since it reduces their revenue. (And reduced revenue reduces the budget for any sequal or even the chance of a sequal).

[DJoker35]

Troispoint wrote...

DJoker35 wrote...

Troispoint wrote...

The fact and the matter is: They could had putted that DLC in the game to begin with, but they didn't because they wanted to make a quick buck out of this. So yes this revolting and insulting.

Then don't buy it. And if you think that the game as is without it isn't worth what you already paid for it, well then, that's something different.

Thats such a run away excuse. Getting ripped off of a part of the game because they want to make more money isnt a matter of consumer choice. Its just abusive.

Which part of the game were you missing? Which one of the quests or items available in DLC did you need so you could have the whole game? Which piece of the game puzzle was the DLC so important to fill that you had to stop playing until you downloaded it?

You got the full game. You got a game with immense amount options,  directions to take the main quest, tons of side quests, and lots of replayability. Hours and hours of play...taking your time and doing and watching everything, easily 60-80+ hours or more. So which part of all of that is the "rip off"" because the things released as DLC (which some of was given away as free, btw) make the game unplayable or unenjoyable as it is?

Modifié par DJoker35, 22 novembre 2009 - 12:43 .

[Eurypterid]

Hyunsai wrote...

By the way, why Stone prisoner DLC was free ?

In addition to what Torias pointed out, The Stone Prisoner was orignally intended to be included as part of the game, so BioWare felt it wouldn't be fair to charge for it as DLC to people that buy a new copy of the game.

[Inarai]

eisberg77 wrote...

F-C wrote...

one of my favorite transformer 2 quotes:

"this fool is terribly misinformed"

More like entitlement issues.  He just believes that anything that Bioware makes for Dragon Age should be free, cause otherwise he is being ripped off from a part of the game.

I do wonder why that seems so common in regard to games...

As for Stone Prisoner, I would not be shocked if 6 months from now it was announced it wouldn't be free with new copies any more to bump up sales...