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[DarthCaine]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

I don't like the idea of optional DLC being forced upon my canon walkthrough, even though i didn't buy it.

At least with the other DLC, there events are not forced upon me, and are therefore not canon (i.e if i don't buy LOTSB, in my canon, my shepard never helped Liara take down the shadow broker).

ME1 is optional, it is also canon. Shepard killed Saren no matter whether you bought ME1. The DLC is forced on you the same way ME1 is forced on you.

The same goes for ME2. You can play ME3 even if you didn't play ME2, but Shepard still defeated the Collectors. Playing ME2 is still optional, just like the DLC.

And LOTSB is canon. Shepard helped Liara become the Shadow Broker no matter whether you played it or not.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 08 septembre 2011 - 06:26 .

[Homebound]

only 300,000?

[Omega4RelayResident]

Hellbound555 wrote...

only 300,000?

In the larger sense of intergalactic civilization 300,000 is the equivalent of Shepard shooting up a McDonalds today.

but because these were Batarians... I'll settle at a White Castle

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 08 septembre 2011 - 06:33 .

[ThePwener]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

only 300,000?

In the larger sense of intergalactic civilization 300,000 is the equivalent of Shepard shooting up a McDonalds today.

Not when you divide the deaths by race, and the race having only very few colonies. They're very spread and very few in numabers when compared to other races like the Asari or Salarian. I think there's less of them then Krogan.

[Dexi]

ThePwener wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

only 300,000?

In the larger sense of intergalactic civilization 300,000 is the equivalent of Shepard shooting up a McDonalds today.

Not when you divide the deaths by race, and the race having only very few colonies. They're very spread and very few in numabers when compared to other races like the Asari or Salarian. I think there's less of them then Krogan.

WTF but half of the time I'm shooting Batarians in ME2... 

Must mean that Shepard almost killed an entire race all by himself. 

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

Not when you divide the deaths by race, and the race having only very few colonies. They're very spread and very few in numabers when compared to other races like the Asari or Salarian. I think there's less of them then Krogan.

Not sure where you got this "less than krogan" notion.  We have no figures whatsoever on total batarian population. We don't even know how many colonies they have.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

To be honest I'm inclined to agree with the OP. Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians is kind of a significant and also a horrifying event that is inserted into your character's story half way through the series. It's different from selecting your character's backstory because you saw what the options were there and made a mostly informed decision.

I get that the events of Arrival were nessesary to stop the Reapers and from a storyline perspective to set up the trial but I can't say it's a great design choice to say "Oh before you start. FYI you're guilty of genocide you committed off screen now."

[Omega4RelayResident]

ThePwener wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

only 300,000?

In the larger sense of intergalactic civilization 300,000 is the equivalent of Shepard shooting up a McDonalds today.

Not when you divide the deaths by race, and the race having only very few colonies. They're very spread and very few in numabers when compared to other races like the Asari or Salarian. I think there's less of them then Krogan.

Are you a Batarian? If not quit your bellyacheing... Shepard just took out 300,000 less chances of you becoming a slave out of the universe.

[ashwind]

And if you didnt play ME1

Ashley: You dont remember we had sex?
Shepard: I slept with you? I dont remember.

[ThePwener]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

only 300,000?

In the larger sense of intergalactic civilization 300,000 is the equivalent of Shepard shooting up a McDonalds today.

Not when you divide the deaths by race, and the race having only very few colonies. They're very spread and very few in numabers when compared to other races like the Asari or Salarian. I think there's less of them then Krogan.

Are you a Batarian? If not quit your bellyacheing... Shepard just took out 300,000 less chances of you becoming a slave out of the universe.

Who said I was complaining? Have I said I enjoyed Arrival's finale? I didn't even call the colony. Im aweasome.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

To be honest I'm inclined to agree with the OP. Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians is kind of a significant and also a horrifying event that is inserted into your character's story half way through the series. It's different from selecting your character's backstory because you saw what the options were there and made a mostly informed decision.

I get that the events of Arrival were nessesary to stop the Reapers and from a storyline perspective to set up the trial but I can't say it's a great design choice to say "Oh before you start. FYI you're guilty of genocide you committed off screen now."

Genocide implies that Shepard killed ALL of the Batarians... if there were only 300.000 Batarians left then the struggle for survival was simplified. There are way more Quarians out there than 300,000.

You know I never heard anyone from the North complain about the Southerners that were killed during the American Civil War.... slavery kinda puts the kaibosh the whole "empathize with the victims" mentality

Just saying

[Omega4RelayResident]

ThePwener wrote...


Who said I was complaining? Have I said I enjoyed Arrival's finale? I didn't even call the colony. Im aweasome.

Then you did the smart thing... if you are going to get charged with a crime... at least have the decency to do it and have fun with it....

Dont sit there pantamiming that the gloves worn by the criminal do not fit....

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Not when you divide the deaths by race, and the race having only very few colonies. They're very spread and very few in numabers when compared to other races like the Asari or Salarian. I think there's less of them then Krogan.

Not sure where you got this "less than krogan" notion.  We have no figures whatsoever on total batarian population. We don't even know how many colonies they have.

*points to codex*

They are considered "undesirables" and are not welcomed in Citadel Space. No, not seen, welcomed. At least the Krogans can go to the Citadel.

Hell, the game even mentions them next to the Lystheni Salarians, who are an offshoot and considered scum.

[JedTed]

Omega4RelayResident wrote... 

but because these were Batarians... I'll settle at a White Castle

I'm no fan of the batarians either but i'll take White Castle over McDonalds any day.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

ashwind wrote...

And if you didnt play ME1

Ashley: You dont remember we had sex?
Shepard: I slept with you? I dont remember.

Actually that can't happen.  If you haven't played ME1, you can not have Ashley in ME2 be your love interest, since you never romanced her in ME1.

Compare to what im trying to say in my original post, to bioware making a new love interst for Shepard off screen, who Shepard fell in love with and ditches his/her previous ME2 love interest.  So when ME3 comes around, your Shepard has a new love, which all happened off screen, and which you had no choice over.

Im sure you would be pissed to.

[ThePwener]

JedTed wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote... 

but because these were Batarians... I'll settle at a White Castle

I'm no fan of the batarians either but i'll take White Castle over McDonalds any day.

Smart man. He'll live longer for it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Genocide implies that Shepard killed ALL of the Batarians... if there were only 300.000 Batarians left then the struggle for survival was simplified. There are way more Quarians out there than 300,000.

You know I never heard anyone from the North complain about the Southerners that were killed during the American Civil War.... slavery kinda puts the kaibosh the whole "empathize with the victims" mentality

Just saying

No it doesn't. The term was first coined to describe the magnitute of the holocaust (and other such things) and obvioulsy there are survivors of that, so complete extinction of a people is not a requisite for the term. I'm not about to defend the state instituted slavery of the batarians but that still doesn't exatly make the death of an entire planet of men women and children suddenly perfectly alright.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm just going to repeat what's already been stated and assure you that while neither LOTSB nor Arrival are forced on you, they are canon and will happen regardless of whether you actually completed them in your game. ME3 will just assume that you did, and you really have no choice about it.

[Omega4RelayResident]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

ashwind wrote...

And if you didnt play ME1

Ashley: You dont remember we had sex?
Shepard: I slept with you? I dont remember.

Actually that can't happen.  If you haven't played ME1, you can not have Ashley in ME2 be your love interest, since you never romanced her in ME1.

Compare to what im trying to say in my original post, to bioware making a new love interst for Shepard off screen, who Shepard fell in love with and ditches his/her previous ME2 love interest.  So when ME3 comes around, your Shepard has a new love, which all happened off screen, and which you had no choice over.

Im sure you would be pissed to.

Yup.... I would be so mad if I saw Wrex stroll out of Shepard's shower in a towel and begin to manhandle him in the only way a Krogan can...

You know I hope they do this... its a good lesson taught to the so-so ME fans.... play all the games and DLCs.... whole a** or no a**..... no half a**ing around or you get the Wrex shaft
 

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:06 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Future Guy wrote...

The books and comics are optional, and they're canon as well.

Exactly. LOTSB and Arrival are no different.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Future Guy wrote...

The books and comics are optional, and they're canon as well.

This man is a smart man

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Future Guy wrote...

The books and comics are optional, and they're canon as well.

The books and comics did not also cause my shepard to kill 300,000 civilians.

[ThePwener]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Future Guy wrote...

The books and comics are optional, and they're canon as well.

The books and comics did not also cause my shepard to kill 300,000 civilians.

No, the comics cause even more crazy **** to happen which we'll have to deal with in ME3.