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[Fiery Phoenix]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Future Guy wrote...

The books and comics are optional, and they're canon as well.

The books and comics did not also cause my shepard to kill 300,000 civilians.

What does it matter if Shepard was in there or not? You need to think of it as a collective event that is part of the main, overarching plot. Shepard failed to save 300,000 batarian civilians during a nearly desperate attempt to stop an imminent Reaper invasion. Consequently, the Alliance will want to have a sit-down with Shepard on the subject.

Nothing more to it. It doesn't change anything in the slightest--only justifies a trial. Now whether you think it was worth it is another story, but it happened and is done as far as ME3 is concerned. It's like saying you don't want Liara to be the Shadow Broker in your game, which just doesn't make sense, I'm afraid.

[sedrikhcain]

Morroian wrote...

Do we really need to go through this AGAIN.

Still six months to go! Next up, whether or not ME is a "true" RPG.

[Maugrim]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Future Guy wrote...

The books and comics are optional, and they're canon as well.

The books and comics did not also cause my shepard to kill 300,000 civilians.

You have the option of RP that your Shepard never killed the batarian colonists. 

It's called not playing ME3 because the reapers won already.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:17 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Did we not go over this crap?

It's. Just. A. Plot. Device.

Without it, it would make no sense what so ever that you would be on Earth during the invasion. And even if you didn't buy the DLC, it doesn't matter. They probably will not mention the Batarians due to the invasion. Please unwad your undies and just wait for the game.

[RocketManSR2]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

In 2186 CE a bad ass soldier was sent to earth by a
military court for a charge he did not commit. This man promptly
escaped from a maximum-security stockade to the Los Angeles underground.
Today, still wanted by the Alliance and Batarians, he survives the soldiers of
fortune. If you have a problem...if no one else can help...and if you
can find him...maybe you can hire...The SHEPARD TEAM

*cue that music*

www.youtube.com/watch

[Ghar Thurion]

I always remember killing batarians. It's a good and fun sport.

[ThePwener]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

I came... and by total random fate an A-Team Robot Chicken sketch just began on tv. Ain't life grand.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

I'd also like to point out that there was no way you could save them. So whether or not you played Arrival, they are still dead. Nothing could be done. No one could be saved. It happened..

[Sideshow Jed]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...


Are you a Batarian? If not quit your bellyacheing... Shepard just took out 300,000 less chances of you becoming a slave out of the universe.

By killing a quarter million slaves? Don't see how that works.


Topically, assuming decisions for you is bad, and it's possible for an asteroid to hit a mass relay without Shepard's involvement. In fact, I like the concept of it falling on Shepard as a steaming pile of politically-motivated railroadery more than as a thing that really happened. So it should be.

Now that I think about it, where's the source on this? There's a large difference between "the Alpha relay blows up" and "Shepard blows up the Alpha relay," and I'd like to know which was said.

[shiftylookingspacecow]

Your Shepard doesn't remember this because they aren't alive. Since you don't think that should be forced on you, the reapers have already arrived, catching both Shepard and the rest of the galaxy off gaurd. Congrats

[Grey34]

haven't we gone through this already? if your worried about inconstancy's why not buy the dlc if not then don't complain about it

[Skullheart]

Well, Shepard didn't kill 300k batarians. IT WAS THE MASS RELAY!!! Judge the relay, or the "protheans" for building that things.

Modifié par Skullheart, 08 septembre 2011 - 08:03 .

[KainrycKarr]

ThePwener wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Not when you divide the deaths by race, and the race having only very few colonies. They're very spread and very few in numabers when compared to other races like the Asari or Salarian. I think there's less of them then Krogan.

Not sure where you got this "less than krogan" notion.  We have no figures whatsoever on total batarian population. We don't even know how many colonies they have.

*points to codex*

They are considered "undesirables" and are not welcomed in Citadel Space. No, not seen, welcomed. At least the Krogans can go to the Citadel.

Hell, the game even mentions them next to the Lystheni Salarians, who are an offshoot and considered scum.

Yeah, you definately just changed your wording so you wouldn't look wrong. When you originally said "less than Krogan" it's clear you meant numbers, whereas in this post it seems you are trying to say you meant "less than krogan" in social status.

Either way, them not being welcomed on Citadel....yeah, that doesn't mean ANYTHING, and isn't even related to how numerous they may or may not be.

[Someone With Mass]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
What does it matter if Shepard was in there or not? You need to think of it as a collective event that is part of the main, overarching plot. Shepard failed to save 300,000 batarian civilians during a nearly desperate attempt to stop an imminent Reaper invasion. Consequently, the Alliance will want to have a sit-down with Shepard on the subject.

Nothing more to it. It doesn't change anything in the slightest--only justifies a trial. Now whether you think it was worth it is another story, but it happened and is done as far as ME3 is concerned. It's like saying you don't want Liara to be the Shadow Broker in your game, which just doesn't make sense, I'm afraid.

That meeting with the Alliance gets interrupted by the actual Reaper invasion anyway, so there's not much harm done on that front.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

shiftylookingspacecow wrote...

Your Shepard doesn't remember this because they aren't alive. Since you don't think that should be forced on you, the reapers have already arrived, catching both Shepard and the rest of the galaxy off gaurd. Congrats

Like i said earlier, im sure bioware could make it so that someone else did the events of Arrival, without Shepard intervening, for those who transfered their ME2 shepard to ME3, and didn't buy Arrival.

[Omega4RelayResident]

ThePwener wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Future Guy wrote...

The books and comics are optional, and they're canon as well.

The books and comics did not also cause my shepard to kill 300,000 civilians.

No, the comics cause even more crazy **** to happen which we'll have to deal with in ME3.

You just say that because you dont want BioWare to force you to kill TIM

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 08 septembre 2011 - 09:49 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

shiftylookingspacecow wrote...

Your Shepard doesn't remember this because they aren't alive. Since you don't think that should be forced on you, the reapers have already arrived, catching both Shepard and the rest of the galaxy off gaurd. Congrats

Like i said earlier, im sure bioware could make it so that someone else did the events of Arrival, without Shepard intervening, for those who transfered their ME2 shepard to ME3, and didn't buy Arrival.

So if Shepard didnt blow up the relay... why is he on Earth? Answer me that.

[DieDjae]

This guy just likes to roleplay Shepard as though he were Sammy Jenkins.

[Ieldra]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Actually, compared to many others, im not that big of a role player.  Im just saying, i don't think something so drastic like killing 300,000 batarians, should be forced upon our Shepards.

Actually, it is forced on everyone, even those who play Arrival. Of course you can choose otherwise and let the time run out to be rewarded with.....a game over screen.

I like that this is forced on everyone because it drives home what is at stake, that the threat is so big that the death of 300k people is a price you must pay.

[Tonymac]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Too bad? Sometimes we get stuck with decisions we haven't personally had a hand in in games. That being said, I remember those Batarians going kaboom, and I don't feel bad about it at all (my Shepard tried to warn them...oh well).

Batarians are expendable.  I'm not saying that they should be hog-tied while Duelling Banjos is playing in the background, but I feel nothing for them.

Arrival is a main plot-line in the ME universe.  The Reapers use the Alpha Relay to get to the Citadel rapidly, and we needed to stop that plan.  It's part of the storyline because it sets the entrance for ME3.

I think that a player would want to get all of the DLC - especially one that sets the entrance for the next game in the series.  They tell an excellent story here, and its a lot of fun.  The levels are original, expansive, and quite lovely.  Personally, I like being on an asteroid heading into the Alpha Relay while fighting my way through a few squads of Batarians.  I have several screenshots of that last fight - it's actually very pretty.

[exskeeny]

the story of arrival is not optional, the ability to play through it and experience it is. that's the answer.

[Kusy]

Just 300000? That's warm up for me... >insert word that is a synonym to kitten but has two "s" inside<.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:18 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

Tonymac wrote...

Batarians are expendable.  I'm not saying that they should be hog-tied while Duelling Banjos is playing in the background, but I feel nothing for them.

Okay you made a good point but I have to say I have been laughing at this part for the past 2 minutes  

"I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite idea on this thread."

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:23 .

[The Giant Napkin]

Grey34 wrote...

haven't we gone through this already? if your worried about inconstancy's why not buy the dlc if not then don't complain about it

This. The books/comics analogy doesn't work, because it's not Shepard at work there. The geth-hunting sequence between ME1 and ME2 is not comparable either, because you also don't roleplay Shep going to the toilet etc., they necessarily have to leave out some of the boring stuff. Lastly, the same goes for what happened before ME1: the story is about Shepard's fight against the reapers, and it would not have been necessary to add Shepard's youth: it's (mostly) irrelevant to the story, and would seem like filler material if it had been in the game.

I don't care so much that the choice to kill the batarians is forced on you, and I get this is a necessary plot device to get Shepard to earth. What makes me simply angry at BioWare is that this is canon, relevant, and pretty much necessary to have played as Shepard in order to make sense, but that this is all in the form of DLC - which isn't even free. Which means that to play the complete game, you HAVE to pay extra money for DLC. I think Arrival should have been a part of either ME2 or ME3, or, in the worst case, have been FREE DLC. This is part of Mass Effect, cut out to make extra money through DLC.

(And no, I don't mean to start a discussion about DLC: though, like anyone, I prefer free DLC, I'm fine with the Overlord DLC etc. The point is, Arrival is a necessary part of the plot of the ME games, but for the OP and anyone who DID pay for the game, it's not included. It's not like BioWare would go bankrupt if they made Arrival free, but for some reason they decided it was reasonable to charge for it. I disagree.)