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[MegaBadExample]

I killed 300,000? *Thinks* I remember that....

[Kusy]

Tonymac wrote...

Batarians are expendable.  I'm not saying that they should be hog-tied while Duelling Banjos is playing in the background, but I feel nothing for them.

They should.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

Batarians are expendable.  I'm not saying that they should be hog-tied while Duelling Banjos is playing in the background, but I feel nothing for them.

They should.

"I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite idea on this thread."

[Wulfram]

I do think this risks being a pretty huge WTF moment for the casual fan who played ME2 and maybe ME1 but didn't buy the DLC or hang out on the forums.

"OK, I'll just import my Paragon Shepard, hero of the galaxy. Wait, he's on trial for mass murder???!! And he actually did it!???! And his girlfriends now a crime boss?!??!"

For me, I can just watch it on youtube rather than spend money on overpriced DLC. But it's still a pretty crappy way of treating what should be a character defining moment.

[The Giant Napkin]

Wulfram wrote...

I do think this risks being a pretty huge WTF moment for the casual fan who played ME2 and maybe ME1 but didn't buy the DLC or hang out on the forums.

"OK, I'll just import my Paragon Shepard, hero of the galaxy. Wait, he's on trial for mass murder???!! And he actually did it!???! And his girlfriends now a crime boss?!??!"

For me, I can just watch it on youtube rather than spend money on overpriced DLC. But it's still a pretty crappy way of treating what should be a character defining moment.

God I love being able to 'bold' quotes. Also, the 'overpriced DLC' is doubly true (literally) for the PC gamers, as they haven't gotten any discounts on it so far... and EA still insists that letting them deal with DLC is better for customers than allowing steam to do it too.

[Omega4RelayResident]

BNPunish wrote...

i got arraival for free lol just seaech google is your friend

Yup post that on the community forums that are run by the company that owns the DLC.

[lolspawn]

The Giant Napkin wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I do think this risks being a pretty huge WTF moment for the casual fan who played ME2 and maybe ME1 but didn't buy the DLC or hang out on the forums.

"OK, I'll just import my Paragon Shepard, hero of the galaxy. Wait, he's on trial for mass murder???!! And he actually did it!???! And his girlfriends now a crime boss?!??!"

For me, I can just watch it on youtube rather than spend money on overpriced DLC. But it's still a pretty crappy way of treating what should be a character defining moment.

God I love being able to 'bold' quotes. Also, the 'overpriced DLC' is doubly true (literally) for the PC gamers, as they haven't gotten any discounts on it so far... and EA still insists that letting them deal with DLC is better for customers than allowing steam to do it too.

people need to stop being cheap.   it takes time and work to make that dlc.   they can charge what they feel its worth.  

[Macross]

Just throwing this out there. I don't think Lair of the Shadow Broker or Arrival should be seen as a continuation to the ME2 story line. 'cause it all honesty, it really isn't. Bioware aren't selling you an incomplete game and then selling you the rest of it, ME2 was a complete game -the storyline of ME2 ended with the Suicide Mission, the game was completed when we faced the Reaper Embryo and either blew up the base or handed it to TIM.

Arrival and LotSB are more like mini -or side- sequels to ME2, similar to how Assassins Creed Brotherhood and Revelations are sequels to AC2. They tell a continuation of the universe after (or during) the events of ME2, but don't add to the main plot but rather act like smaller sequels setting up the universe of the series for the final game. Much like Brotherhood and Revelations(probably will) do for AC3. The only real difference is that Arrival and LotSB are much short and cheaper than Brotherhood and Revelations, thus they did not merit their own game (or, you know, expansion pack).

And on another story related point. Well really, no matter what you did the Batarian's were dead. I don't mean game play wise either. Seriously, the Reapers were arriving in that system, do you really think any of those Batarians would be left alive by the time ME3. The act of blowing up the Mass Relay is something any Paragon or Renegade Shepard would do because the only other outcome is the faster destruction of the galaxy.

[Wulfram]

lolspawn wrote...
people need to stop being cheap.   it takes time and work to make that dlc.   they can charge what they feel its worth.  

And I disagree with their assessment of it's worth.

[Rivercurse]

Wulfram wrote...

I do think this risks being a pretty huge WTF moment for the casual fan who played ME2 and maybe ME1 but didn't buy the DLC or hang out on the forums.

"OK, I'll just import my Paragon Shepard, hero of the galaxy. Wait, he's on trial for mass murder???!! And he actually did it!???! And his girlfriends now a crime boss?!??!"

Wow, well said.  For the first time, I actually understand the point that some have been making about this.
I still don't agree with the naysayers mind you, but I suppose I at least have a bit more empathy for their position.

Anyway, my own point of view is that the people who didn't buy the DLC are just gonna have to suck it up. 

Prior to ME1 the trilogy was talked up by Bioware as an epic space opera with episodic story content bridging the gap between parts 1, 2 and 3.  Yes granted it never quite happened with ME1, but complaining about story driven content between ME2 and ME3 looks pretty silly when you consider that this is exactly what the franchise was supposed to be doing from the moment it was conceived.  If you came into this story with your eyes closed, well, that's your issue.

Modifié par Rivercurse, 08 septembre 2011 - 01:54 .

[AdmiralCheez]

makenzieshepard wrote...

You have the option of RP that your Shepard never killed the batarian colonists. 

It's called not playing ME3 because the reapers won already.

Winning.  Epic winning.

(Boy, if only I could roleplay away every time Bioware made a plot deicision I didn't like...)

[Ramus Quaritch]

They did that for Bring Down the Sky (the civilians were killed). But that was simply an email/news announcement. They are making LOTSB and Arrival canon because they technically take place after ME2. Therefore, they bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3, setting up the beginning of ME3 so that it makes sense.

[Stompi]

My Shepard was revived to stop the Reapers. Allowing an invasion because some batarians might be killed is not really the best way to stop them. My Shepard tried to warn the colonies. My Shepard didn't kill anyone. He saved the galaxy (again). He is a hero (again). Admiral Hackett even said so.
I think many more than 300.000 people will die in the beginning of Mass Effect 3 alone because of the invasion.

My main Shepard is a Paragon, but I still think there have to be a lot of sacrificies and casualties in Mass Effect 3 to make it even remotely believeable that these are still the same Reapers. I would be very surprised and somewhat disappointed, if we don't have to sacrifice any squadmates or even entire races/home planets.

Modifié par Stompi, 08 septembre 2011 - 02:01 .

[pfhorlorn]

I don't understand why Shepard is being blamed for the events of Arrival. When s/he contacted the Bahak batarians, I don't think they'd take a shoddy-at-best incomplete message as terribly conspicuous then run off and tell the Hegemony. The entire system was wiped out, so in my eyes, only Hackett and the crew of the SR2 know that Shepard actually did that.

Plus, since when did the Council or Alliance care about batarians? Don't get me wrong; I think it's awful that a lot of you think batarians are inherently evil and need to be purged. Yet, there seems to be no real reasoning for why the Council or Alliance would care even if the batarians had evidence that "some human" blew up the Bahak system.

As far as I'm concerned, the Hegemony has no evidence to blame Shepard. If Hackett and others think differently, I don't know what they're smoking.

Modifié par koopaonfire, 08 septembre 2011 - 02:16 .

[Someone With Mass]

Because if they don't do something, the batarians will use it as an excuse to go to war with the humans?

[pfhorlorn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because if they don't do something, the batarians will use it as an excuse to go to war with the humans?

._.

There was more to my post than that. I'm saying that I don't see any logical evidence that concludes Shepard did this. Unless some tower control guy on a batarian colony thought, "That human's voice sure sounded strange, and even though it translated into one of my native batarian languages, I'm pretty sure it's Shepard. I better contact the Hegemony immediately."

e: And it'd be much more convenient for everyone to blame Kenson and discredit her as a nutcase rather than blame the gal or guy who's trying to save the galaxy. I mean, balls. Seriously.

Modifié par koopaonfire, 08 septembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[Kyria Nyriese]

Which having an inter-species war while the Reapers are invading does not improve our survival odds on the whole in fact I'm willing to bet it would do a heck of a lot to lower our survival odds. I hated Arrival, not because it was a bad DLC, but because I was forced to do something, that my Shepard would not have done. However, I also understand why it was done, and as far as it goes, IMO Bioware did a good job with it.

[The BBC]

You're playing a STORY. It was written by someone else outside of your control. If you want to continue playing the story then you will be at the will of their narrative. Suck it up, RP like your Shepard got screwed by circumstances and that the whole trial is a "kangaroo court", just stop complaining because a writer chose a different path for his story than you would have. No game is completely open ended.

[LadyJaneGrey]

koopaonfire wrote...

I don't understand why Shepard is being blamed for the events of Arrival. When s/he contacted the Bahak batarians, I don't think they'd take a shoddy-at-best incomplete message as terribly conspicuous then run off and tell the Hegemony. The entire system was wiped out, so in my eyes, only Hackett and the crew of the SR2 know that Shepard actually did that.

Plus, since when did the Council or Alliance care about batarians? Don't get me wrong; I think it's awful that a lot of you think batarians are inherently evil and need to be purged. Yet, there seems to be no real reasoning for why the Council or Alliance would care even if the batarians had evidence that "some human" blew up the Bahak system.

As far as I'm concerned, the Hegemony has no evidence to blame Shepard. If Hackett and others think differently, I don't know what they're smoking.

The only way I can make Shepard being blamed work is that last shuttle.  If indoctrinated project workers escaped and told other species exactly who blew up the relay, it could be a problem.

As to killing the Batarians, I agree that the Alliance doesn't give a flip about them personally, but a human wiping out an entire colony gives 'em plenty of reasons to increase attacks and slaver raids.  Chastising one person in an attempt to prevent many others being killed makes sense.

[Someone With Mass]

koopaonfire wrote...

e: And it'd be much more convenient for everyone to blame Kenson and discredit her as a nutcase rather than blame the gal or guy who's trying to save the galaxy. I mean, balls. Seriously.

There's not much that can support that option either. Kensen may be whacko, but doesn't mean she couldn't have taken orders from someone, and the batarians know the Alliance was involved.

[JamieCOTC]

koopaonfire wrote...

I don't understand why Shepard is being blamed for the events of Arrival. When s/he contacted the Bahak batarians, I don't think they'd take a shoddy-at-best incomplete message as terribly conspicuous then run off and tell the Hegemony. The entire system was wiped out, so in my eyes, only Hackett and the crew of the SR2 know that Shepard actually did that.

Plus, since when did the Council or Alliance care about batarians? Don't get me wrong; I think it's awful that a lot of you think batarians are inherently evil and need to be purged. Yet, there seems to be no real reasoning for why the Council or Alliance would care even if the batarians had evidence that "some human" blew up the Bahak system.

As far as I'm concerned, the Hegemony has no evidence to blame Shepard. If Hackett and others think differently, I don't know what they're smoking.

This isn’t about evidence.  This is a show trial.  In order to prevent a war, the Alliance has to offer up a sacrificial lamb - Shepard.  The only evidence the court will need (and have) is Shepard’s admission of guilt.  By admitting to destroying the system, the burden of proof will be on Shepard that s/he did it to prevent an imminent Reaper invasion.  Unfortunately, no one seems to believe the Reapers even exist.  I recall a dev stating that things will not be going well for Shep during the trial.  And so, Reapers to the rescue! 

[Tonymac]

JamieCOTC wrote...

koopaonfire wrote...

I don't understand why Shepard is being blamed for the events of Arrival. When s/he contacted the Bahak batarians, I don't think they'd take a shoddy-at-best incomplete message as terribly conspicuous then run off and tell the Hegemony. The entire system was wiped out, so in my eyes, only Hackett and the crew of the SR2 know that Shepard actually did that.

Plus, since when did the Council or Alliance care about batarians? Don't get me wrong; I think it's awful that a lot of you think batarians are inherently evil and need to be purged. Yet, there seems to be no real reasoning for why the Council or Alliance would care even if the batarians had evidence that "some human" blew up the Bahak system.

As far as I'm concerned, the Hegemony has no evidence to blame Shepard. If Hackett and others think differently, I don't know what they're smoking.

This isn’t about evidence.  This is a show trial.  In order to prevent a war, the Alliance has to offer up a sacrificial lamb - Shepard.  The only evidence the court will need (and have) is Shepard’s admission of guilt.  By admitting to destroying the system, the burden of proof will be on Shepard that s/he did it to prevent an imminent Reaper invasion.  Unfortunately, no one seems to believe the Reapers even exist.  I recall a dev stating that things will not be going well for Shep during the trial.  And so, Reapers to the rescue! 

  Well stated, as usual.

  And then there we are at the trial - like JamieCOTC stated, and its "Ah yes, Reapers" (all in air quotes) and the crap hits the fan.  I also like how you state " And so, Reapers to the rescue!",  because thats exactly how  I think it will work out.

[The Twilight God]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Ok im sure my Shepard will not try to escape from being charged, but you get the point im trying to say.  My shepard is being charged for something he never did.

Perhaps a shepard from another reality did it, or maybe someone impersonated my shepard did it, but im SURE my Shepard didn't do the act.

You're Shepard can't import to ME3 because your Shepard died when the reapers invaded and used their master relay to attack every section of the galaxy without travel time or warning. So your Shepard does not have to worry about ME3 at all. He/she is dead.

[maddenking2010]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Actually my character does remember that.  Because i chose certain things for my Shepard's backstory.

When i say "I don't remember that", i don't mean from my perspective, but from the in-universe perspective of my shepard.

#roleplayingtoohard

How is that role playing to hard, you know its a role playing game right?