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[Ryzaki]

I do want an option for Shepard to go "it wasn't me" to all the accusations during the trial. If only for the sheer lulz.

[BatmanPWNS]

Don't you know?

Your Shepard died at the start of Arrival when Kenson betrayed you and you are actually playing as a completely different Shep from another dimension.

[ErichHartmann]

The Chewbacca defense would work.

[SirBoomstick]

Ryzaki wrote...

I do want an option for Shepard to go "it wasn't me" to all the accusations during the trial. If only for the sheer lulz.

Maybe it wasn't you...

[Confused-Shepard]

Only 300,000? That's disappointing. My target was at least 2 Billion.
Can I try again? This time I'll aim for the home-world.

Die, you 4-eyed freaks!!

[mulder1199]

not to support bickering or what not, but i would think that if your shep didn't do arrival (though all of mine have) there could just be some alternate lines at the trial...perhaps for cooperating with a 'known terrorist organization' instead of the events of arrival....best of both worlds perhaps...

[shepskisaac]

Don't really get the "DLC shouldn't count as canon" argument. I mean, it's part of the storyline. It's as if someone asked not to count ME2 as canon because he/she may not have jumped from ME1 to ME2 skipping part 2 for whatever reason.

[robarcool]

If you don't like it OP, don't buy ME3. Problem solved. You won't ever see your Shepard being accused of slaughtering 300000 Batarians.

[Stompi]

In my opinion, this whole trial is just another politics bull****.  The Alliance can't look bad and risk a war with the Batarians, even though they know that Shepard did the right thing. Meanwhile the Reapers are preparing their invasion and Shepard is losing time.  And I hope that Shepard is finally allowed to show some emotions about that in Mass Effect 3. The Council, the Alliance, Cerberus (certainly looks that way) are always just standing in Shepard's way. I finally want to be able to tell them that I've had enough of their bull****. That's a point where my Shepard simply can't stay 100% Paragon anymore.

[LOLandStuff]

Hackett made me do it.
I'm absolutely innocent. He was the one to send me after his girlfriend.
Besides, he should have known better than to send Shepard in the first place. Everything around Shepard blows up. Even Aria knew that.

[Dean_the_Young]

koopaonfire wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because if they don't do something, the batarians will use it as an excuse to go to war with the humans?

._.

There was more to my post than that. I'm saying that I don't see any logical evidence that concludes Shepard did this. Unless some tower control guy on a batarian colony thought, "That human's voice sure sounded strange, and even though it translated into one of my native batarian languages, I'm pretty sure it's Shepard. I better contact the Hegemony immediately."

e: And it'd be much more convenient for everyone to blame Kenson and discredit her as a nutcase rather than blame the gal or guy who's trying to save the galaxy. I mean, balls. Seriously.

Maybe it has something to do with Shepard going 'Dr. Kenson, I'm Commander Shepard and I'm here to get you out of here' in a cell with recording devices, three days before the relay is destroyed after Dr. Kenson is arrested for smuggling the means to do just that?

Does everyone forget that the Batarians had three days, plus half-hour before the destruction of the Relay, to communicate with the rest of the galaxy? For all those spy sattelites to visually track the asteroid, see the Normandy, and send images out before their destruction? Or do people think that no one could possibly leave or talk to anyone outside of the system in a universe in which FTL communication is a fact of life?

[Dean_the_Young]

Stompi wrote...

In my opinion, this whole trial is just another politics bull****.  The Alliance can't look bad and risk a war with the Batarians, even though they know that Shepard did the right thing. Meanwhile the Reapers are preparing their invasion and Shepard is losing time.  And I hope that Shepard is finally allowed to show some emotions about that in Mass Effect 3. The Council, the Alliance, Cerberus (certainly looks that way) are always just standing in Shepard's way. I finally want to be able to tell them that I've had enough of their bull****. That's a point where my Shepard simply can't stay 100% Paragon anymore.

Er, the Alliance doesn't know Shepard did the right thing, because the Alliance doesn't believe in the Reapers. Hackett does, but Hackett's a minority.

[SalsaDMA]

The Giant Napkin wrote...

Grey34 wrote...

haven't we gone through this already? if your worried about inconstancy's why not buy the dlc if not then don't complain about it

This. The books/comics analogy doesn't work, because it's not Shepard at work there. The geth-hunting sequence between ME1 and ME2 is not comparable either, because you also don't roleplay Shep going to the toilet etc., they necessarily have to leave out some of the boring stuff. Lastly, the same goes for what happened before ME1: the story is about Shepard's fight against the reapers, and it would not have been necessary to add Shepard's youth: it's (mostly) irrelevant to the story, and would seem like filler material if it had been in the game.

I don't care so much that the choice to kill the batarians is forced on you, and I get this is a necessary plot device to get Shepard to earth. What makes me simply angry at BioWare is that this is canon, relevant, and pretty much necessary to have played as Shepard in order to make sense, but that this is all in the form of DLC - which isn't even free. Which means that to play the complete game, you HAVE to pay extra money for DLC. I think Arrival should have been a part of either ME2 or ME3, or, in the worst case, have been FREE DLC. This is part of Mass Effect, cut out to make extra money through DLC.

(And no, I don't mean to start a discussion about DLC: though, like anyone, I prefer free DLC, I'm fine with the Overlord DLC etc. The point is, Arrival is a necessary part of the plot of the ME games, but for the OP and anyone who DID pay for the game, it's not included. It's not like BioWare would go bankrupt if they made Arrival free, but for some reason they decided it was reasonable to charge for it. I disagree.)

It was a crappy DLC, so you didn't miss out on much. Personally, I would actually rate it as the worst DLC for ME2.

I agree that it's just corporate greed shining through that you don't get the promised storyline of consistency if you play thorugh ME1-ME2-ME3 without forking out for DLCs too. In essence they stopped making the DLCs being something extra for the game, and made them being actual parts of the plot and story that they just cut out to make more money on it.

Yes, I'm fully aware that Arrival was not made when ME2 went live, but if it is a plot relevant part of the series and needed to be in ME2, then the game shouldn't have been released without being whole, instead of having them charge extra for 'completing the product they delivered in an unfinished state'.

[Confused-Shepard]

mulder1199 wrote...

not to support bickering or what not, but i would think that if your shep didn't do arrival (though all of mine have) there could just be some alternate lines at the trial...perhaps for cooperating with a 'known terrorist organization' instead of the events of arrival....best of both worlds perhaps...

I thought Casey Hudson said that if you DID NOT play Arrival then the trial would be handled differently. 

[SalsaDMA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

koopaonfire wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because if they don't do something, the batarians will use it as an excuse to go to war with the humans?

._.

There was more to my post than that. I'm saying that I don't see any logical evidence that concludes Shepard did this. Unless some tower control guy on a batarian colony thought, "That human's voice sure sounded strange, and even though it translated into one of my native batarian languages, I'm pretty sure it's Shepard. I better contact the Hegemony immediately."

e: And it'd be much more convenient for everyone to blame Kenson and discredit her as a nutcase rather than blame the gal or guy who's trying to save the galaxy. I mean, balls. Seriously.

Maybe it has something to do with Shepard going 'Dr. Kenson, I'm Commander Shepard and I'm here to get you out of here' in a cell with recording devices, three days before the relay is destroyed after Dr. Kenson is arrested for smuggling the means to do just that?

Does everyone forget that the Batarians had three days, plus half-hour before the destruction of the Relay, to communicate with the rest of the galaxy? For all those spy sattelites to visually track the asteroid, see the Normandy, and send images out before their destruction? Or do people think that no one could possibly leave or talk to anyone outside of the system in a universe in which FTL communication is a fact of life?

Actors doesn't exist in the future? If I rob a bank and state my name as my neighbors while doing so, do you think my neighbor will get persecuted for the robbery, or do you think the court will need a bit more solid evidence than that?

[ODST 3]

lazuli wrote...

I survived the Thresher Maw attack on Akuze? I don't remember that.

or

I repelled a batarian assault on Elysium?  I don't remember that.

or

I sent 75% of my troops to certain death on Torfan?  I don't remember that.

Difference is...  you get to CHOOSE which one of those unseen stories is yours.

Arrival was absolutely horrible. It completely lacked suspense and emotional engagement. I didn't care about any of it and would have rather spent that hour torturing Amanda Kenson to death.

The Admiral Hackett character design was over the top, the lack of free choice throughout the quest was very
disappointing, as was the lack of any physical appearance by the Reapers. It seemed like we were just killing a whole bunch of Batarians for no reason since the imminence and specificity of the threat was not
clearly made known. Horrible DLC and I wish they could have come up with something better. Don't buy it.

Modifié par ODST 3, 08 septembre 2011 - 06:30 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

I claim temporary insanity... I took some Rohypnol and the Normandy crew dropped me off there thinking it would be funny to play a prank on me... when I woke up everyone looked like blury Varren... I panicked.

[Omega4RelayResident]

ODST 3 wrote...

 Difference is...  you get to CHOOSE which one of those unseen stories is yours.

Arrival was absolutely horrible. It completely lacked suspense and emotional engagement. I didn't care about any of it and would have rather spent that hour torturing Amanda Kenson to death.

The Admiral Hackett character design was over the top, the lack of free choice throughout the quest was very
disappointing, as was the lack of any physical appearance by the Reapers. It seemed like we were just killing a whole bunch of Batarians for no reason since the imminence and specificity of the threat was not
clearly made known. Horrible DLC and I wish they could have come up with something better. Don't buy it.

Okay so what should we talk about now since BioWare ninjas are beating ODST 3 to death with NERF Bats that have 10 penny nails sticking out of them...

[ODST 3]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

 Difference is...  you get to CHOOSE which one of those unseen stories is yours.

Arrival was absolutely horrible. It completely lacked suspense and emotional engagement. I didn't care about any of it and would have rather spent that hour torturing Amanda Kenson to death.

The Admiral Hackett character design was over the top, the lack of free choice throughout the quest was very
disappointing, as was the lack of any physical appearance by the Reapers. It seemed like we were just killing a whole bunch of Batarians for no reason since the imminence and specificity of the threat was not
clearly made known. Horrible DLC and I wish they could have come up with something better. Don't buy it.

Okay so what should we talk about now since BioWare ninjas are beating ODST 3 to death with NERF Bats that have 10 penny nails sticking out of them...

Oh, I wish. Sounds kinky. And a lot more enjoyable than the Arrival DLC.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Well, you either kill them and stop the reapers or you don't kill them and the galaxy ends. Just don't buy ME3 and consider that your canon.

SalsaDMA wrote...

Actors doesn't exist in the future? If I rob a bank and state my name as my neighbors while doing so, do you think my neighbor will get persecuted for the robbery, or do you think the court will need a bit more solid evidence than that?

Well the Citadel Goddamned Council just needs recorded audio evidence to declare someone rogue, so that appears to be plenty of evidence.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:00 .

[DaringMoosejaw]

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Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 08 septembre 2011 - 06:59 .

[ladyvader]

Macross wrote...

Just throwing this out there. I don't think Lair of the Shadow Broker or Arrival should be seen as a continuation to the ME2 story line. 'cause it all honesty, it really isn't. Bioware aren't selling you an incomplete game and then selling you the rest of it, ME2 was a complete game -the storyline of ME2 ended with the Suicide Mission, the game was completed when we faced the Reaper Embryo and either blew up the base or handed it to TIM.

Arrival and LotSB are more like mini -or side- sequels to ME2, similar to how Assassins Creed Brotherhood and Revelations are sequels to AC2. They tell a continuation of the universe after (or during) the events of ME2, but don't add to the main plot but rather act like smaller sequels setting up the universe of the series for the final game. Much like Brotherhood and Revelations(probably will) do for AC3. The only real difference is that Arrival and LotSB are much short and cheaper than Brotherhood and Revelations, thus they did not merit their own game (or, you know, expansion pack).

And on another story related point. Well really, no matter what you did the Batarian's were dead. I don't mean game play wise either. Seriously, the Reapers were arriving in that system, do you really think any of those Batarians would be left alive by the time ME3. The act of blowing up the Mass Relay is something any Paragon or Renegade Shepard would do because the only other outcome is the faster destruction of the galaxy.

Which is why I hate the both the LotSB and Arrival show up after Horizon.  I think both of those should have shown up after the SM because time line wise that is when they happen.  After the SM.

If Arrival doesn't happen, Reapers win quickly.  Once again, Shepard is annoying the Reapers by delaying them AGAIN. 

[Dean_the_Young]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Well, you either kill them and stop the reapers or you don't kill them and the galaxy ends. Just don't buy ME3 and consider that your canon.

SalsaDMA wrote...

Actors doesn't exist in the future? If I rob a bank and state my name as my neighbors while doing so, do you think my neighbor will get persecuted for the robbery, or do you think the court will need a bit more solid evidence than that?

Well the Citadel Goddamned Council just needs recorded audio evidence to declare someone rogue, so that appears to be plenty of evidence.

Well, they need that and the fourth-largest power in the galaxy threatening to leave Council space in a flurry.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

ODST 3 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

I survived the Thresher Maw attack on Akuze? I don't remember that.

or

I repelled a batarian assault on Elysium?  I don't remember that.

or

I sent 75% of my troops to certain death on Torfan?  I don't remember that.

Difference is...  you get to CHOOSE which one of those unseen stories is yours.

Arrival was absolutely horrible. It completely lacked suspense and emotional engagement. I didn't care about any of it and would have rather spent that hour torturing Amanda Kenson to death.

The Admiral Hackett character design was over the top, the lack of free choice throughout the quest was very
disappointing, as was the lack of any physical appearance by the Reapers. It seemed like we were just killing a whole bunch of Batarians for no reason since the imminence and specificity of the threat was not
clearly made known. Horrible DLC and I wish they could have come up with something better. Don't buy it.

Thanks for backing up my point of view about not having a choice in the death of 300,000 batarians.

[Klijpope]

While I am fairly phlegmatic about the Arrival war crime being part of the pre-canon for ME3, it's still somewhat hamfisted. I mean, this was Shep's most significant decision ever, way more important than saving the Council or not, even if there was no real choice, but it was tacked on as DLC.

Feels like they thought of a better ending after it had shipped - really something of this magnitude should have been the main game.

It's a great starting point for ME3, a trial. However, I do not think it was necessary to shoehorn this warcrime in to make it happen. Shepard could already be put on trial for working with a known terrorist organisation, or even on trumped up charges, given the murkiness of her/his death and resurrection.

Blowing up a mass relay would have been a better ending than fighting a reapinator for ME2, though.

Modifié par Klijpope, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:26 .