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[TuringPoint]

OP:  Think about it this way.  

The Twilight God wrote...

Your Shepard can't import to ME3 because your Shepard died when the reapers invaded and used their master relay to attack every section of the galaxy without travel time or warning. So your Shepard does not have to worry about ME3 at all. He/she is dead.

Or you can accept that your Shepard stopped a Reaper invasion while you weren't looking.

I personally see Arrival as entertaining.  Having played through it, though, they could've done a lot worse in regards to making it 'hurt' those who chose not to buy it.  It was a little tame, in fact, in terms of overall relevance and importance to the plot, especially considering the subject matter.  Preventing another plan by the Reapers to invade.  However, there were no real choices in it; the fact is it was an interactive way to introduce the central plot point that brings us into the beginning of ME3.  You don't have it any worse than us.  You know what happened.  If you don't you can find out easily enough.

There was no choice, whoever your Shepard is.

I can't blame you (all) for not wanting to spend money you don't want to spend, in fact, I am inclined to encourage not buying anything you don't want to or don't have the money for;  but it's not up to Bioware to spoonfeed you free entertainment.

Modifié par Alocormin, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:13 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The problem that does happen is that Hackett gives the report back to Shepard. "I don't need a report to know what really happened." Even if Shepard tried to warn the Batarians, the comm system was down.

That whole thing was a cue to Shepard to edit the report. You can blame Kenson whom the Alliance will deny any knowledge of her existence. But the evidence against you is shoddy at best .... at the moment... wait until they make up some sh**. You were on a Cerberus vessel, not Alliance. You get hung out to dry.

So you have to "face the music." The Normandy logs will show the ship was in the vicinity of the system and that it used the relay just before the explosion.

The operation was off books so as not to implicate the SA. So you can expect Hackett to testify at your trial that he knew nothing about your involvment, and how he doesn't know anything about ongoing Cerberus missions.

I can't see any way Shepard can get out of this. I expect to see Shepard in a prison cell ala Marcus Fenix at the start of Gears of War being busted out by Anderson while the Reapers are invading.

Also as canon -- the "side missions" on the SB ship. One of them is to fund a smear campaign to discredit a corrupt politician and force his retirement -- that politician is Udina. That "mission" always succeeds. He was seen on Omega having a drink in Afterlife.

[arpegiuspunk555]

 thats like saying that because you never saw star wars episodes 1 2 or 3, you dont think anankin skywalker was a little **** before he became darth vader. its canon, part of the official storyline. just because youve refused to experience that part of the story doesnt mean it never happened

[didymos1120]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

One of them is to fund a smear campaign to discredit a corrupt politician and force his retirement -- that politician is Udina.

No, it's not. Pay closer attention to the text of the mission, not just the picture they used to signify "Hey, look: politics!" The details don't fit Udina in the least:

A corrupt politician is trying to levy heavy taxes on all Earth-manufactured goods coming into his system in exchange for kickbacks from local businesses. Ruin the politician's reputation with a smear campaign so that his proposal doesn't pass.

Does it say he's even human? No. It can easily be read as saying he's not. Does Udina have a "system"? No. He's either an ambassador on the Citadel, or a Councilor.

Modifié par didymos1120, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:32 .

[AnAccountWithNoName]

arpegiuspunk555 wrote...

 thats like saying that because you never saw star wars episodes 1 2 or 3, you dont think anankin skywalker was a little **** before he became darth vader. its canon, part of the official storyline. just because youve refused to experience that part of the story doesnt mean it never happened

Star Wars is not an RPG.  Please don't compare apples to oranges.

[ODST 3]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Thanks for backing up my point of view about not having a choice in the death of 300,000 batarians.

I guess Lair Of The Shadow Broker spoiled us but Arrival was not nearly worth ten dollars. Well below expectations.

[Zakatak757]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

arpegiuspunk555 wrote...

 thats like saying that because you never saw star wars episodes 1 2 or 3, you dont think anankin skywalker was a little **** before he became darth vader. its canon, part of the official storyline. just because youve refused to experience that part of the story doesnt mean it never happened

Star Wars is not an RPG.  Please don't compare apples to oranges.

Oranges > Apples

Just putting that out there

[didymos1120]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Star Wars is not an RPG.  Please don't compare apples to oranges.

Why not?  Oranges and apples have far more in common than not: both are simple fruits produced by flowering trees of the rosid clade, roughly spherical in shape, cultivated by humans for food who have created many, many cultivars of each, have roughly similar nutritional content, etc., etc., etc.

Also, Star Wars is an RPG.  It's just not solely and primarily an RPG.  Regardless, it's still a narrative, as is Mass Effect (which isn't solely an RPG either: there are novels and comics too, and they're canon).

Modifié par didymos1120, 09 septembre 2011 - 02:05 .

[Nyreen]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Getting a feral Varren pregnant? I don't remember that...

Story of my life.

[AllenShepard]

So, you're saying your Shepard would have done everything EXACTLY as it were in the game, outside of the game? The game forces you to do the suicide mission, you don't actually have to. The game forces you to fight Saren, you didn't actually HAVE to though. There's a lot of things that Shepard is forced to do because the game is designed that way. You get to make small decisions along the way but Bioware still writes the narrative that you follow. Deal with it.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

AllenShepard wrote...

So, you're saying your Shepard would have done everything EXACTLY as it were in the game, outside of the game? The game forces you to do the suicide mission, you don't actually have to. The game forces you to fight Saren, you didn't actually HAVE to though. There's a lot of things that Shepard is forced to do because the game is designed that way. You get to make small decisions along the way but Bioware still writes the narrative that you follow. Deal with it.

Exactly. And yet people continue to complain.


Logic is hard.

[elearon1]

Future Guy wrote...

I contracted some sort of space herpes. I don't recall how I got that.

Kelly drugged and had her way with you ... I wouldn't put it past her.

[elearon1]

Zakatak757 wrote...
Oranges > Apples
Just putting that out there

It looks like you're saying Apples eat Oranges here ... APPLES EAT ORANGES!!??  Oh my, oh my, oh my ... and here I thought they'd stopped with Grapes. 

[Luigitornado]

Oh shut it already.

YOUR Shepard did do it. You just never experienced it.

[Luigitornado]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

arpegiuspunk555 wrote...

 thats like saying that because you never saw star wars episodes 1 2 or 3, you dont think anankin skywalker was a little **** before he became darth vader. its canon, part of the official storyline. just because youve refused to experience that part of the story doesnt mean it never happened

Star Wars is not an RPG.  Please don't compare apples to oranges.

Mass Effect is not real life. Please don't assume that RPG = total control.

[moneycashgeorge]

Holy crap some people are ingrates. When ME2 came out, all that ANYONE was saying was "give us meaningful DLC! Please BioWare continue the story! Let us know what happens next!"

and now that they actually did that, people make petty, childish, inane complaints like this. OP, you are honestly a shameful disgrace.

LotSB and Arrival are fully a part of the main Mass Effect Shepard story, 100% canon and no different than the retail games. Didn't play it? Thats you're own fault. Your baby like whining is like if someone decided to skip ME2 and said "Why do these characters act like they know me? I've never met Collectors, why are they saying I did?"

Arrival is an installment in the series. Just because its downloadable doesn't mean that it isn't part of the series continuity. Its just as much a part of the story as ME1, 2, and 3. If you want the full story, then buy every installment. If you don't want to do that, than shut up and stop bothering people with your nonsense.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

Holy crap some people are ingrates. When ME2 came out, all that ANYONE was saying was "give us meaningful DLC! Please BioWare continue the story! Let us know what happens next!"

and now that they actually did that, people make petty, childish, inane complaints like this. OP, you are honestly a shameful disgrace.

LotSB and Arrival are fully a part of the main Mass Effect Shepard story, 100% canon and no different than the retail games. Didn't play it? Thats you're own fault. Your baby like whining is like if someone decided to skip ME2 and said "Why do these characters act like they know me? I've never met Collectors, why are they saying I did?"

Arrival is an installment in the series. Just because its downloadable doesn't mean that it isn't part of the series continuity. Its just as much a part of the story as ME1, 2, and 3. If you want the full story, then buy every installment. If you don't want to do that, than shut up and stop bothering people with your nonsense.

Like'd x Infinite

[SalsaDMA]

Ace of Dawn wrote...

MCH1202 wrote...

Second-degree murder? Three hundred thousand people? I would have remembered!

For you, the day Shepard graced your system was the most important day of your life. But for me... it was Tuesday.

One of the saving graces of the streetfighter movie...

A shame Raul Julia have to be remembered with that movie as his last big screen appearance, though

[SalsaDMA]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Metalunatic wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...



What do you people think about what im trying to say? 

What do I think? I think you should buy the DLC's as they are canon or suck it up.

But i think it is to much, so no.

It's ten dollars. Take thirty minutes out of your day and mow a lawn. Bam. You now have ten dollars to buy Arrival. You probably have some left over scratch for snacks too.

For those ten dollars he can get 2 full games on sale.

What do you think is a better usage of that tenner then?

Heck, given the quality of Arrival, I'd even say folding the note and setting it off in the air like a small paper airplane is more entertaining than that DLC...

[SalsaDMA]

I find it appaling that some people are actually advocating that getting unfinished endproducts as a consumer is acceptable (or even good?!?!?), and that they think it is a SERVICE that they need to fork out extra cash to get the full product.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Metalunatic wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...



What do you people think about what im trying to say? 

What do I think? I think you should buy the DLC's as they are canon or suck it up.

But i think it is to much, so no.

It's ten dollars. Take thirty minutes out of your day and mow a lawn. Bam. You now have ten dollars to buy Arrival. You probably have some left over scratch for snacks too.

For those ten dollars he can get 2 full games on sale.

What do you think is a better usage of that tenner then?

Heck, given the quality of Arrival, I'd even say folding the note and setting it off in the air like a small paper airplane is more entertaining than that DLC...

I enjoyed Arrival. It was well worth my ten bucks. Great set up for ME3 and I got to play more.

[littlezack]

SalsaDMA wrote...

I find it appaling that some people are actually advocating that getting unfinished endproducts as a consumer is acceptable (or even good?!?!?), and that they think it is a SERVICE that they need to fork out extra cash to get the full product.

I find it appaling that some people think they're entitled to things for free.

Arrival is in no way, shape or form meant to be part of the original ME2 experience. It's not like Bioware made it for the game and took it out, or that they intentional left the game unfinished. You're paying for an extra add-on to the game. If you don't like the product in question, fine, but don't tell me that you shouldn't have to pay for it if you want to play, or that it should have been part of the main game. That's bull.

[Il Divo]

SalsaDMA wrote...

I find it appaling that some people are actually advocating that getting unfinished endproducts as a consumer is acceptable (or even good?!?!?), and that they think it is a SERVICE that they need to fork out extra cash to get the full product.

I already got the full product with Mass Effect 2. Arrival was a bonus, that's it.

[lazuli]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

Holy crap some people are ingrates. When ME2 came out, all that ANYONE was saying was "give us meaningful DLC! Please BioWare continue the story! Let us know what happens next!"

and now that they actually did that, people make petty, childish, inane complaints like this. OP, you are honestly a shameful disgrace.

Unless you have proof that the same people are clamoring for DLC and then complaining after it is released, this is a meaningless and excessively hostile statement.

[The Twilight God]

littlezack wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

I find it appaling that some people are actually advocating that getting unfinished endproducts as a consumer is acceptable (or even good?!?!?), and that they think it is a SERVICE that they need to fork out extra cash to get the full product.

I find it appaling that some people think they're entitled to things for free.

Arrival is in no way, shape or form meant to be part of the original ME2 experience. It's not like Bioware made it for the game and took it out, or that they intentional left the game unfinished. You're paying for an extra add-on to the game. If you don't like the product in question, fine, but don't tell me that you shouldn't have to pay for it if you want to play, or that it should have been part of the main game. That's bull.

Yeah, Arrival would have completely trivialized the main storyline.