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Can the Geth really be trusted?


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I am referring to the Geth that will supposily join the other races, against the Reapers when they arrive.

However, should the Geth be trusted at all?  What if when the Reapers are defeated?  They turn against you?  Or at least take Reaper tech for themselves?

The reason why im saying is that we human beings have a hard time trusting stuff that is different from how we perceive things.  The geth are not only radically different from us physically, but mentally as well.  They don't use some moral code (unlike most humanty), add that with how they use pure logic, and its scary.


Example:  In a hypothetical situation, say there is a nation on earth, in where most of its citizens are taught not to follow any moral code, and do think just with using logic.  They do the horrible things that we all know that Mankind could do, but they never shed a tear, or feel remorse, for in a way they are cold killing machines.  If murdering a child in a situation benefits them, they would do it.  This nation full of sociopaths also has access to nuclear weapons.   But say humanity is threatened by a powerful nation who wants world domination.  Would it be smart in allying with this psycho nation?  Sure they may have good tech that could be usefull in the war, but the way they act and think, could create even more not so good choices, and backfire.

Another Example:  Humanity builds machines in Man's image, that means they walk upright, have a head and 2 arms and 2 legs, they are also made for war as well.  They can kill like people can, but they are more efficent because they lack a conscience, for their builders, no matter how smart they made them, could not give them a "soul" (does not mean literal soul).  Anyways, the Machines rebel and people die.  But say over time, Aliens invade the Earth, is it smart then to ally with the machines?  The machines may want to ally with humanity because they fear the desctruction of their own existance (which is logical, if the Aliens can defeat humanity, the machines are screwed).  However, the Machines could just use their creators to defeat the Aliens, then make themselves more advanced with alien tech, and perhaps then turn against humanity, thinking logically, that since humanity would never accept them, humans are a threat to their existance, and therefore should be wiped out.


So all im trying to say here, is it a good idea to have the Geth involved in the war with the Reapers?

Remember, the Geth are the same race that wiped out more then 99% of another race, almost to extinction.  Who is to say the Geth would never try to do this again?  Is it smart then to be allies with them? Or should Shepard and co just leave the Geth alone, and deal with the Reapers without them?

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:13 .


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No, the Geth can't be trusted beyond being allies against the Reapers. They never attempted to make overtures of peace to any other species,destroyed anyone who ventured into their space on the spot and had no issue with their Heretic brethren being on the verge of unleashing armageddon until it inconvenienced them. That even Legion has no idea what the end-game of their dyson sphere is also troubling.

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Let them form into their super computer and use Project Overlord to control them! :D

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Let them form into their super computer and use Project Overlord to control them! :D


Except for the fact that Overlord is ****ing stupid, since it's not based on how the geth are communicating at all! :D

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Let them form into their super computer and use Project Overlord to control them! :D


Except for the fact that Overlord is ****ing stupid, since it's not based on how the geth are communicating at all! :D


Doesn't matter because it still worked! :D

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Let them form into their super computer and use Project Overlord to control them! :D


Except for the fact that Overlord is ****ing stupid, since it's not based on how the geth are communicating at all! :D


Except it totally works despite how much you wish it wouldn't! :D

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Who's to say there even is a second faction as Legion says? For all we know, he himself is the true anomaly to the rest of his species.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Who's to say there even is a second faction as Legion says? For all we we know, he himself is the true anomaly to the rest of his species.


His response will be; "there was a hole" and then he jumps out a window while doing weird noises.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Who's to say there even is a second faction as Legion says? For all we know, he himself is the true anomaly to the rest of his species.


EDI:

Legion is a thousand voices talking at once. What it contacted was beyond my comprehension. A mind the size of a galactic arm.



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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Who's to say there even is a second faction as Legion says? For all we we know, he himself is the true anomaly to the rest of his species.


That's a good point.  Though im sure there is a second faction, because bioware have been trying to make the Geth less "bad" (regardless that the Geth don't have morals and wiped out more then 99% of a race), and Legion is apart of this effort of theirs.

Though it would be a nice twist in the story if you were right.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Except it totally works despite how much you wish it wouldn't! :D


Yeah, go ahead and use your pathetic little retroactive continuity that's an insult to the etablished facts in the game against the geth hivemind that consists of trillions of geth.

Let me know how that works. ;)

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Yeah, go ahead and use your pathetic little retroactive continuity that's an insult to the etablished facts in the game against the geth hivemind that consists of trillions of geth.


Okay! Just feel free to not post bitterly when canon states you're wrong, though.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Except it totally works despite how much you wish it wouldn't! :D


Yeah, go ahead and use your pathetic little retroactive continuity that's an insult to the etablished facts in the game against the geth hivemind that consists of trillions of geth.

Let me know how that works. ;)


Tell that to the late Lazarus research team. ME is full of inconsistencies and plot holes.

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 I'm certain they'll help you against the reapers. But after that, probably not. Their interest in shephard and organic life is pretty much based soley on getting alliances against the heretics and reapers.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Who's to say there even is a second faction as Legion says? For all we know, he himself is the true anomaly to the rest of his species.


EDI:

Legion is a thousand voices talking at once. What it contacted was beyond my comprehension. A mind the size of a galactic arm.

Doesn't mean he can't still access their databases.

His plans are obvious, too: Like the Architect from Awakening, he plans to correct his kind through force... or simply go along with the flow until the time is right for plan B.

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AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

That's a good point.


Only if you've forgotten that Legion will contact the other geth if you allow it, and that EDI will subsequently confirm their existence.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Okay! Just feel free to not post bitterly when canon states you're wrong, though.


What canon? That you went down on TIM so much that he gave you that pitiful excuse of a DLC to use against the geth?

Sorry to tell you this, but that's not canon.

Canon is TIM attacking Shepard every chance he gets.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

His plans are obvious, too: Like the Architect from Awakening, he plans to correct his kind through force... or simply go along with the flow until the time is right for plan B.


You talk like he's different from the Geth. He has been separated from the rest of his kind for some time, but he speaks like what he says is what all "true" Geth believe. That or he's a compelling liar. Can AI lie? Probably, I don't know.

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Legion explained that it is racism to treat other species as you would want to be treated... therefore rewitting the Heretics was the Paragon choice. Legion explains that each sentient race needs to be treated as they are accustomed to be treated.

Put Legion together in a room with humans and they will talk.

Put Legion in a room with Vorcha and you will see him pistol whiping them... to the Vorcha violence is an acceptable form of communication.... says so in the Codex

so Legion's Geth would treat humanity the way they want to be treated.

Legion's Geth are fascinated with organics.

Do you remember the conversation about the N7 armor Legion has strapped to himself? I could have sworn he almost declared his love for me at that moment... AWKWARD

Legion's Geth are harmless... they want nothing to do with the Reapers and they themselves are endangered by the Reapers return

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Okay! Just feel free to not post bitterly when canon states you're wrong, though.


What canon? That you went down on TIM so much that he gave you that pitiful excuse of a DLC to use against the geth?

Sorry to tell you this, but that's not canon.

Canon is TIM attacking Shepard every chance he gets.


That doesn't even begin to make sense.  Overlord is an official DLC.  Those events are part of the story.

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ThePwener wrote...

Tell that to the late Lazarus research team. ME is full of inconsistencies and plot holes.


Being revived in a sci-fi story is a plot hole now?

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The geth think using logic. If they do not need something they will not bother with it. Come up with a logical reason for geth to harm humanity. Their justification for hurting us is logical. In a way we can trust the geth more than any organic. An organic like the qurians can endanger everyone over an emotional conflict. Geth do not present this scenario.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

*blah blah blah*

Canon is TIM attacking Shepard every chance he gets.


Sorry, that's head-canon. It's a fantasy you've created to support your point because you refuse to accept you're wrong.

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Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Legion explained that it is racism to treat other species as you would want to be treated... therefore rewitting the Heretics was the Paragon choice. Legion explains that each sentient race needs to be treated as they are accustomed to be treated.

Put Legion together in a room with humans and they will talk.

Put Legion in a room with Vorcha and you will see him pistol whiping them... to the Vorcha violence is an acceptable form of communication.... says so in the Codex

so Legion's Geth would treat humanity the way they want to be treated.

Legion's Geth are fascinated with organics.

Do you remember the conversation about the N7 armor Legion has strapped to himself? I could have sworn he almost declared his love for me at that moment... AWKWARD

Legion's Geth are harmless... they want nothing to do with the Reapers and they themselves are endangered by the Reapers return


Yep, Legion's geth are harmless, these same Geth were also harmless when most of the Quarians were butchered by them, children and non-combatents (after all im sure the Quarian military doesn't even reach 50% of their total population),

Though you would be right if Bioware decided to make a retcon, that it was really a mass suicide that caused the death of so many Quarians, not the Geth...since you know...there harmless....they won't even hurt a fly:P

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ThePwener wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

His plans are obvious, too: Like the Architect from Awakening, he plans to correct his kind through force... or simply go along with the flow until the time is right for plan B.


You talk like he's different from the Geth. He has been separated from the rest of his kind for some time, but he speaks like what he says is what all "true" Geth believe. That or he's a compelling liar. Can AI lie? Probably, I don't know.


WRONG!.... he is not seperated from his Geth.... you let the firewalls down on the Normandy a multitude of times so that Legion can access the central Geth mainframe.

Once for the Weapon Upgrade... Once for information stored about the Morning War... I believe Legion is allowed through the firewalls for the data he gets from Tali