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[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Usually why I keep arguing with him.

I enjoy poking fun at you too. 

[Someone With Mass]

Undertone wrote...
Glad you aren't wasting your time then. It gets boring after awhile, you can't argue much when he warps his own anti-Cerberus reality.

Sorry for the off-topic.

Yeah, it's getting boring to listen to you too after your first comment.

[mineralica]

Can anyone be trusted for something more than stopping Reapers invasion? Can rachni be trusted for not starting a new rachni war? Can quarians be trusted for not attacking geth and provoking them on next galactic war? Can krogans be trusted to not to attempt to build a krogan empire - or at least for not trying to conquer the rest of species? Can turians be trusted for not setting their military doctrine to everyone? Can Cerberus be trusted at all after their amount of failed experiments? Can asari be trusted to not to finally eliminate all other species via "asari parent + any other parent = asari children"? Can salarians be trusted to not to assume that humanity is dangerously aggressive and unleash new genophage?

There are always plenty of such questions, but several risks should be taken.

[Aeowyn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Which is explained in the DLC itself, though I doubt you'd play it because then you'd have to pretend you're working with TIM and I'm sure that hurts your head canon where TIM is trying to kill Shepard every second and that your Shepard never joined up with Cerberus.

Sorry. That never happened. I was simply cleaning up their mess while laughing at them.

Just like I did all the other times Cerberus completely fails at trying to do something right without getting people killed.

Say, didn't Anderson say that the geth aren't much of a threat anymore? Combine that with Legion's loyalty mission, and Overlord is utterly useless besides trying to give Cerberus an army. Which I wouldn't allow, anyway, considering that they can't even board a dead Reaper or a completely empty Collector base without getting themselves killed and risk the safety of everyone around them.

Cerberus is just a liability at this point.

Oh how intelligent of you. Stop dismissing facts because they don't suit you.

And you trust Anderson? He most likely knows less about geth than Shepard does. Hell, even WITH Legion and his LM we know very little about the geth.

No, I don't trust Legion or the geth. Which is why I blew up the Heretic base. There's nothing saying that they would come to the same "mathematical error" again.

Also, Project Overlord worked. You need to stop acting like an idiot.

[marstor05]

Can Anyone be trusted? Maybe thats more of the point of ME3 and we'll see people we knew in the earlier games becoming an enemy, or working against your goals.

The Geth? They hate the Reapers so in a way they can to a point.

''The enemy of my enemy is my friend''

[Someone With Mass]

Aeowyn wrote...

Oh how intelligent of you. Stop dismissing facts because they don't suit you.

And you trust Anderson? He most likely knows less about geth than Shepard does. Hell, even WITH Legion and his LM we know very little about the geth.

No, I don't trust Legion or the geth. Which is why I blew up the Heretic base. There's nothing saying that they would come to the same "mathematical error" again.

Also, Project Overlord worked. You need to stop acting like an idiot.

No, I'm just dismissing the utter stupidity that is Overlord, because it has a logical hole you can fly a Reaper through.

Because a mathematical genius learning how to speak a language fluently through math? Sure. I believe in some coincidences too. The background pillars on Overlord are so weak. The only thing Shepard mentions about Legion's immunity is "If there's a geth in the galaxy that can't be brainwashed, it's him". That does not explain how he's immune at all.

And I think Anderson of all people should know what happens on the frontlines. Which he does.

The geth simply aren't attacking as fiercely as they used to, and they aren't that much of a problem to the Alliance.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Aeowyn wrote...

Oh how intelligent of you. Stop dismissing facts because they don't suit you.

And you trust Anderson? He most likely knows less about geth than Shepard does. Hell, even WITH Legion and his LM we know very little about the geth.

No, I don't trust Legion or the geth. Which is why I blew up the Heretic base. There's nothing saying that they would come to the same "mathematical error" again.

Also, Project Overlord worked. You need to stop acting like an idiot.

1) I dont want to repeat my self so listen very carefully... DO NOT INSULT OTHERS.... BOTTOM LINE

2) Come march everyone will say "I told you so about TIM"... go read the books.

3) Project Overlord was a failure... or did you miss all the dead bodies on the way in.

4) Blowing up the "Heretic" base only kills those Geth... I am sorry I was under the assumption that Geth had space ships and travelled around a lot beyond the Perseus Veil... so you blew up their HQ and now there are a bunch of angry Geth out there with this issue of losing their HQ... and not to mention that blowing up the base... does nothing wrong against Legion's Geth

I really hope when you buy your cope you open it up... no disc inside... just a note from BioWare... "Thanks for the $$ but in your version the Reapers won."

[Chewin]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
3) Project Overlord was a failure... or did you miss all the dead bodies on the way in.

You mean a success, right?

The Human/V.I. hybrid was able to influence and control many geth as well as other technology. Nobody else, nobody, except maybe the Heretics, has ever achieved this.

Modifié par Chewin3, 08 septembre 2011 - 09:12 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

Chewin3 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
3) Project Overlord was a failure... or did you miss all the dead bodies on the way in.

You mean a success, right?

The Human/V.I. hybrid was able to influence and control many geth as well as other technology. Nobody else, nobody, except maybe the Heretics, has ever achieved this.

And...... then it attacked and killed ALL the people it INTENDED to defend.

You need to work on your definition of success. TIM is trying to protect humanity correct... so far he looks more like a human hating serial killer... quoting Shepard on Overlord "Success? I'd hate to see what you call a disaster Doctor."

[Aeowyn]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Oh how intelligent of you. Stop dismissing facts because they don't suit you.

And you trust Anderson? He most likely knows less about geth than Shepard does. Hell, even WITH Legion and his LM we know very little about the geth.

No, I don't trust Legion or the geth. Which is why I blew up the Heretic base. There's nothing saying that they would come to the same "mathematical error" again.

Also, Project Overlord worked. You need to stop acting like an idiot.

1) I dont want to repeat my self so listen very carefully... DO NOT INSULT OTHERS.... BOTTOM LINE

2) Come march everyone will say "I told you so about TIM"... go read the books.

3) Project Overlord was a failure... or did you miss all the dead bodies on the way in.

4) Blowing up the "Heretic" base only kills those Geth... I am sorry I was under the assumption that Geth had space ships and travelled around a lot beyond the Perseus Veil... so you blew up their HQ and now there are a bunch of angry Geth out there with this issue of losing their HQ... and not to mention that blowing up the base... does nothing wrong against Legion's Geth

I really hope when you buy your cope you open it up... no disc inside... just a note from BioWare... "Thanks for the $$ but in your version the Reapers won."

1. Listen to your own advice much?

2. About TIM, not about Cerberus. Thanks.

3. Project Overlord was a success. Chewin explained why.

4. We know nothing about the Geth except for what Legion tells us. And the geth beyond the Perseus Veil are known to attack on sight. So no, I don't trust the geth. Do you?

Oh, so just because I blew up the Heretic Base I lost the Reaper war? Because brainwashing will really grant us victory.

[Fenris_13]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
And...... then it attacked and killed ALL the people it INTENDED to defend.

You need to work on your definition of success. TIM is trying to protect humanity correct... so far he looks more like a human hating serial killer... quoting Shepard on Overlord "Success? I'd hate to see what you call a disaster Doctor."

That wasn't Cerberus fault. You can't go and blame them for that. Cerberus succeeded in their goal what they wanted to do. How it ended up wasn't their fault.

[TheZyzyva]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Because Legion as he currently is didn't come to be until after he was shot and subsequently rebooted.

Wait Kaiser, is that real? I don't remember hearing that, unless I missed something. When is that said?

[lovgreno]

It's hard to know exactly what the Geth wants as they are a very alien race. But considering their substantial military strenght and the coming reaper conflict a truce is probably the best option. In other words Cerberusesque experiments of self defeat like Rael Zorahs project and project Overlord has to be put down, with force if necesary.

[lovgreno]

Chewin3 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
3) Project Overlord was a failure... or did you miss all the dead bodies on the way in.

You mean a success, right?

The Human/V.I. hybrid was able to influence and control many geth as well as other technology. Nobody else, nobody, except maybe the Heretics, has ever achieved this.

And also almost release a super virus to cripple all technology in the galaxy. That would hardly make humanitys chances in the coming reaper war better, so there is another example on how Cerberus and TIMmy is the greatest threat to humanitys survival after the reapers.

When the geth hears about it they will probably retaliate hard on Cerberus for being a threat to the freedom of their race. Luckily for Shepard the stain of failiure that is the Cerberus logo is washed of his ship by then.

[Someone With Mass]

I also find it hard to believe that Legion would sit idly by when Cerberus takes control of his race, considering that Tali's data about the geth was enough to get him moving.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Aeowyn wrote...

1. Listen to your own advice much?

2. About TIM, not about Cerberus. Thanks.

3. Project Overlord was a success. Chewin explained why.

4. We know nothing about the Geth except for what Legion tells us. And the geth beyond the Perseus Veil are known to attack on sight. So no, I don't trust the geth. Do you?

Oh, so just because I blew up the Heretic Base I lost the Reaper war? Because brainwashing will really grant us victory.

Okay lets answer the points:

1 about 1: Where? How? I did? This is news to me.... no more than an angry reply. Dissmissed.

2 about 2: How am I supposed to answer that? I dont even see a point. There is'nt even a verb in that statement. Yes unless you read the books there is a lot you dont know about TIM. It also has been confirmed that Cerberus is trying to kill you in the beginning of ME3.

3 about 3: TIM wants to protect humanity? The hundred or so dead humans I just tripped over on my way into the Atlas Station where Overlord is housed may say differently. You combined an organic and synthetic mind! Sounds like TIM was making a Reaper... oh damn... now I have gone and done it. Reapers are organic and synthetic creatures combined. Its a part of making a Reaper. The brainwashing of the Geth via Overlord doesnt sound like INDOCTRINATION to me at all... I am sorry you are correct. Neat little coincidence that TIM was looking for the CB where they happen to make Reapers. Soon in your neighborhood the Ford Reaper made in colaboration with Cerberus.

4 about 4: Would it kill you to trust someone for once? A noble AI? Yeah those dont exist... oh hi EDI.

Aeowyn wrote...
Oh, so just because I blew up the Heretic Base I lost the Reaper war? Because brainwashing will really grant us victory.

 

Looks at Project Overlord  

Aeowyn wrote...
Because brainwashing will really grant us victory.

Looks at Project Overlord again

Aeowyn wrote...
Because brainwashing will really grant us victory.

But you just defended Cerberus actions using a combined human VI intelligence to brainwash the Geth

Aeowyn wrote...
Because brainwashing will really grant us victory.

Am I being Punk'd? How can a human being contradict himself / herself in the same exact statement they just made?

[Omega4RelayResident]

lovgreno wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
3) Project Overlord was a failure... or did you miss all the dead bodies on the way in.

You mean a success, right?

The Human/V.I. hybrid was able to influence and control many geth as well as other technology. Nobody else, nobody, except maybe the Heretics, has ever achieved this.

And also almost release a super virus to cripple all technology in the galaxy. That would hardly make humanitys chances in the coming reaper war better, so there is another example on how Cerberus and TIMmy is the greatest threat to humanitys survival after the reapers.

When the geth hears about it they will probably retaliate hard on Cerberus for being a threat to the freedom of their race. Luckily for Shepard the stain of failiure that is the Cerberus logo is washed of his ship by then.

Thank you Lovgreno... I forgot that part... I didnt think we needed to remind people.... but

[Anacronian Stryx]

As far as i understands Overlord there were no Geth on Aite only platforms - which David could control, But thinking that David could control Geth is like thinking you can mind control anybody just by taking a drive in their car.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

As far as i understands Overlord there were no Geth on Aite only platforms - which David could control, But thinking that David could control Geth is like thinking you can mind control anybody just by taking a drive in their car.

I am lost... I cant see the connection you are trying to make.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

As far as i understands Overlord there were no Geth on Aite only platforms - which David could control, But thinking that David could control Geth is like thinking you can mind control anybody just by taking a drive in their car.

I am lost... I cant see the connection you are trying to make.

The Geth are programs - the platforms are just the programs means of getting around.

Geth ship crashes, Geth on board judge it to damaged to fly again and to deep in organic territory to risk salvaging so they uploads and leaves the platforms behind - David comes along and take a "drive" in the platforms and everybody thinks he's controlling Geth.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:42 .

[Phategod1]

You can find a reason to distrust any race. And I do mean any race, hell with the proper opportunity even the volus could pose a threat. I trust the geth more then the quarians, fellow humans, or Salarians. as far as your example you must have missed a lot of dialogue in ME2 cause legion explained *spoilers* that the geth do not want to advance on the established tech of someone else. The geth May not have a distinct moral code but they have a rationale to everything they do, and seeing as there simply acting as care takers they clearly do not kill indiscriminately .

[CMDR Locke]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Yep, Legion's geth are harmless, these same Geth were also harmless when most of the Quarians were butchered by them, children and non-combatents (after all im sure the Quarian military doesn't even reach 50% of their total population),

Though you would be right if Bioware decided to make a retcon, that it was really a mass suicide that caused the death of so many Quarians, not the Geth...since you know...there harmless....they won't even hurt a fly:P

Let me put it to you this way...

If all I did was ask you, "Master does this unit have a soul?" and you attacked me for that... you better believe Quarian heads are gonna roll out of my fear and instictual feelings of self-preservation...

Next time the Quarians should create AI like EDI if they cant sttle for an Omni-Tool... the entire galaxy is using them but nooooooooo the Quarians had to create a slave labor race.... that can self evolve too

What part of that sounded like a good idea?!

They didn't create a slave labor race.

They created "Mechs" that they programmed to do manual labor, and security, military functions like every other race.  Their mistake was allowing those programs to "link up" via the nueral network and share programming, confusing themselves as to what their purpose was.  Think of it like being told your job is to paint buildings, yet being trained to kill terrorists.  You would be confused as well.

[alex90c]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Oh how intelligent of you. Stop dismissing facts because they don't suit you.

And you trust Anderson? He most likely knows less about geth than Shepard does. Hell, even WITH Legion and his LM we know very little about the geth.

No, I don't trust Legion or the geth. Which is why I blew up the Heretic base. There's nothing saying that they would come to the same "mathematical error" again.

Also, Project Overlord worked. You need to stop acting like an idiot.

No, I'm just dismissing the utter stupidity that is Overlord, because it has a logical hole you can fly a Reaper through.

Because a mathematical genius learning how to speak a language fluently through math? Sure. I believe in some coincidences too. The background pillars on Overlord are so weak. The only thing Shepard mentions about Legion's immunity is "If there's a geth in the galaxy that can't be brainwashed, it's him". That does not explain how he's immune at all.

And I think Anderson of all people should know what happens on the frontlines. Which he does.

The geth simply aren't attacking as fiercely as they used to, and they aren't that much of a problem to the Alliance.

I love how you're getting so heated about a game.

Seriously... chiiiill.