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[N0-Future]

Bishoujo means" young and pretty "  But does not mean  " BIG BOOBS "
I think this is an awful representation of Liara T'soni.
Besides Liara is over 100 still rather young for an Asari but not a child, so why have a childs face?

Modifié par N0-Future, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[LGTX]

I don't know much about the style, but I'm pretty sure it represents more than what the WORD means. I think.

[Ahriman]

It has ovesexualized just like the rest of ME and strange style, but telling that it "ruins Liara's character"...

[Ajosraa]

Im just getting a little sick of all the self righteious people complaining about the statue having sexual aspects(OMG!). While she does have boobs that are a bit bigger then normal, and yes I agree the face dosent look exactly right, But you all sound like conservative grandma's worried what your neghbors are doing in their bedroom. People have their sexual side, yes even Liara. She is not a Prude Asari. Calm down. Dont like it, vote with your feet. I think its ok to show Liara like that sometimes, and it seems a little sexist in a way to deny her that aspect. It dosent demean her or make her any less smart to be in one mildly sexy pose imo. /rant off

[DiegoRaphael]

At least for me, the main problem is not that it "look like anime" or  "is too sexualized" etc.

But is the lack of products that ME and DA series have (i mean, those DC figures... jezz...)

The right aproach to this would be launching replicas first and stylized statues like this later. But no, they go to the "minority" genre first....

I may get this in the future just because i want to have something from ME. But if i see they gonna release a replica line, i sell it!

[XFemShepX]

Who's talking about hating anime? I've seen a ton of people in here saying that the people who don't like the statue "hate anime".

How about the fact that it's face looks like a CHILD.

This has nothing to do with anime. It has nothing to do with denying Liara's character a "sexual aspect". Those breasts are not the breasts she has been shown to have in two games now. So Bioware let's this man make his artistic representation of their character by drawing Liara with cantelopes for ******, and a six year old's face.

I mean, it's creepy. I'd feel like a pedo for buying it. Which I won't be.

Doesn't mean I hate anime. Disliking this statue doesn't mean your whole precious genre of anime is garbage, stop overreacting.

[LGTX]

XFemShepX wrote...
So Bioware let's this man make his artistic representation of their character by drawing Liara with cantelopes for ******, and a six year old's face.

That's exactly what happened, and the sooner you accept it rather than using it as a counterargument which it isn't, the sooner you'll get over the fact that this figure is stylized for a specific demographic. If you aren't part of it, just consider it doesn't even exist.

[1136342t54_]

XFemShepX wrote...

Who's talking about hating anime? I've seen a ton of people in here saying that the people who don't like the statue "hate anime".

How about the fact that it's face looks like a CHILD.

This has nothing to do with anime. It has nothing to do with denying Liara's character a "sexual aspect". Those breasts are not the breasts she has been shown to have in two games now. So Bioware let's this man make his artistic representation of their character by drawing Liara with cantelopes for ******, and a six year old's face.

I mean, it's creepy. I'd feel like a pedo for buying it. Which I won't be.

Doesn't mean I hate anime. Disliking this statue doesn't mean your whole precious genre of anime is garbage, stop overreacting.

You haven't been in the other Liara figure thread or many other threads showing BSN's hate for anime.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 09 septembre 2011 - 09:13 .

[Ianamus]

Ajosraa wrote...

Im just getting a little sick of all the self righteious people complaining about the statue having sexual aspects(OMG!). While she does have boobs that are a bit bigger then normal, and yes I agree the face dosent look exactly right, But you all sound like conservative grandma's worried what your neghbors are doing in their bedroom. People have their sexual side, yes even Liara. She is not a Prude Asari. Calm down. Dont like it, vote with your feet. I think its ok to show Liara like that sometimes, and it seems a little sexist in a way to deny her that aspect. It dosent demean her or make her any less smart to be in one mildly sexy pose imo. /rant off

I don't think that the problem is the sexualisation, but the fact that she's sexualised while having (what appears to be at the moment) an incredibly young-looking face. It just leads to all sort of... unfortunate implications. If her face looked like it belonged to a person of legal age I would have no problem with it. 

Modifié par EJ107, 09 septembre 2011 - 09:18 .

[XFemShepX]

LGTX wrote...

XFemShepX wrote...
So Bioware let's this man make his artistic representation of their character by drawing Liara with cantelopes for ******, and a six year old's face.

That's exactly what happened, and the sooner you accept it rather than using it as a counterargument which it isn't, the sooner you'll get over the fact that this figure is stylized for a specific demographic. If you aren't part of it, just consider it doesn't even exist.

And what exactly is that specific demographic?  The demographic that likes to collect statues of children with sexual overtones?  I thought that "demographic" usually ended up in jail.

Creepy.  But okay, you win, I guess.

[SalsaDMA]

Just took a look at the pics...

Seriously, if they didn't claim the figure was Liara I would never have guessed it. As a supposed representation of an established figure, it does a pretty crap job at it when there is nothing resembling the character in the figure at all.

Claiming it looks like Liara is ike taking a random asian guy and claiming it is Jet Li...
They should rename the figure to "random Asari" and I wouldn't bat an eye. But naming it something it looks nothing alike is just poor. Not sure if it is poor marketing or poor craftmanship, but something is essentially poorly done with claiming that figure is Liara...

[T764]

XFemShepX wrote...

Who's talking about hating anime? I've seen a ton of people in here saying that the people who don't like the statue "hate anime".

How about the fact that it's face looks like a CHILD.

This has nothing to do with anime. It has nothing to do with denying Liara's character a "sexual aspect". Those breasts are not the breasts she has been shown to have in two games now. So Bioware let's this man make his artistic representation of their character by drawing Liara with cantelopes for ******, and a six year old's face.

I mean, it's creepy. I'd feel like a pedo for buying it. Which I won't be.

Doesn't mean I hate anime. Disliking this statue doesn't mean your whole precious genre of anime is garbage, stop overreacting.

Sorry, did you miss the multiple posts labeling all anime fans as paedophiles? Or the posts that ignore the awful pose to say that the anime styling sucks? Or how about the posts ignoring that fact that its a prototype figure and that the head is not of the same quality as the body to bash anime and, this is the important bit, ITS FANS.

Bash anime to your hearts content, i don't care a toss. The second someone starts on the fans they prove themselves an ignorant narrowminded bellend and are inviting counter abuse. 

[XFemShepX]

1136342t54 wrote...

You haven't been in the other Liara figure thread or many other threads showing BSN's hate for anime.

I apparently have not.  I'm sure that this exists, but saying the entire communtiy hates anime is a rather large and sweeping generalization.  

If those people exist and are upset about this statue, it's probably because the Mass Effect universe hasn't had any sort of anime influence whatsoever.  It probably does not attract a lot of anime fans--I know there are some here, but you didn't look at Mass Effect and say, "whoa, great anime style!".  So seeing this sort of interpretation of a character that people have grown to love (personally, I've never even *liked* Liara, but whatever), probably upsets those people.

I have no issue with anime.  My issue is--the statue looks like a child, and doesn't look like/represent what Bioware's shown of Liara in game.  Except maybe the clothes.

[1136342t54_]

XFemShepX wrote...

I apparently have not.  I'm sure that this exists, but saying the entire communtiy hates anime is a rather large and sweeping generalization.  

If those people exist and are upset about this statue, it's probably because the Mass Effect universe hasn't had any sort of anime influence whatsoever.  It probably does not attract a lot of anime fans--I know there are some here, but you didn't look at Mass Effect and say, "whoa, great anime style!".  So seeing this sort of interpretation of a character that people have grown to love (personally, I've never even *liked* Liara, but whatever), probably upsets those people.

I have no issue with anime.  My issue is--the statue looks like a child, and doesn't look like/represent what Bioware's shown of Liara in game.  Except maybe the clothes.

Since they are making a Mass Effect Anime I'd say Anime is having an affect on Mass Effect.

[XFemShepX]

T764 wrote...

Sorry, did you miss the multiple posts labeling all anime fans as paedophiles? Or the posts that ignore the awful pose to say that the anime styling sucks? Or how about the posts ignoring that fact that its a prototype figure and that the head is not of the same quality as the body to bash anime and, this is the important bit, ITS FANS.

Bash anime to your hearts content, i don't care a toss. The second someone starts on the fans they prove themselves an ignorant narrowminded bellend and are inviting counter abuse. 

I've only read portions of this thread, not the whole thing.  But I can tell that anime is so dear and close to your heart that you're upset.  I didn't read any posts labeling any anime fans as a pedophile, I read posts of people saying they'd feel like a pedophile if they bought the statue.  Which they probably won't.  I haven't read anything about "the head is not of the same quality as the body to bash anime", but that the face looks like a child, and this is a statue that is made by a man who, from what I understand, makes figures in that style.

Again, I'm not bashing anime, and if you "didn't care a toss", you wouldn't post.  I'm not "starting on the fans" of anime, but I can see you've handled your point maturely by labeling all people who dislike anime as deserving of "counter abuse".  Cry me a freaking river, dude.

[alex90c]

Ajosraa wrote...

Im just getting a little sick of all the self righteious people complaining about the statue having sexual aspects(OMG!). While she does have boobs that are a bit bigger then normal, and yes I agree the face dosent look exactly right, But you all sound like conservative grandma's worried what your neghbors are doing in their bedroom. People have their sexual side, yes even Liara. She is not a Prude Asari. Calm down. Dont like it, vote with your feet. I think its ok to show Liara like that sometimes, and it seems a little sexist in a way to deny her that aspect. It dosent demean her or make her any less smart to be in one mildly sexy pose imo. /rant off

"bit bigger" = larger than head?
"face doesnt look exactly right" = like a child?

Nobody here is being conservative (tbh, after the ME1 Fox news crap and how it was mocked by everyone, I think accusing us as conservative is probably the more far fetched thing ever), it's just the statue looks NOTHING like Liara, and doesn't capture her personality whatsoever in the slightest. From the way she acts in the game and comics, did anyone ever get the impression that squeezing her ****** would be even remotely in character for her? Sure, there's plenty of other asari strippers and stuff, but that's not her.

They could have pulled off sexy without making a complete trainwreck of a statue (the craftsmanship is exceptional, just not the actual ... content (?)) but for some reason, Kotobuyika (sp?) decided to take the whole "sexualisation" thing completely over the top.

[XFemShepX]

1136342t54 wrote...

XFemShepX wrote...

I apparently have not.  I'm sure that this exists, but saying the entire communtiy hates anime is a rather large and sweeping generalization.  

If those people exist and are upset about this statue, it's probably because the Mass Effect universe hasn't had any sort of anime influence whatsoever.  It probably does not attract a lot of anime fans--I know there are some here, but you didn't look at Mass Effect and say, "whoa, great anime style!".  So seeing this sort of interpretation of a character that people have grown to love (personally, I've never even *liked* Liara, but whatever), probably upsets those people.

I have no issue with anime.  My issue is--the statue looks like a child, and doesn't look like/represent what Bioware's shown of Liara in game.  Except maybe the clothes.

Since they are making a Mass Effect Anime I'd say Anime is having an affect on Mass Effect.

That was not announced until after ME2, if I'm correct.  So again, I reiterate my point that people didn't come to the ME series looking for an anime style.

[XFemShepX]

alex90c wrote...
Nobody here is being conservative (tbh, after the ME1 Fox news crap and how it was mocked by everyone, I think accusing us as conservative is probably the more far fetched thing ever), it's just the statue looks NOTHING like Liara, and doesn't capture her personality whatsoever in the slightest. From the way she acts in the game and comics, did anyone ever get the impression that squeezing her ****** would be even remotely in character for her? Sure, there's plenty of other asari strippers and stuff, but that's not her.

Exactly. Plus is looks ridiculously young.

[Rockworm503]

Eh no money in the budget for any fancy statues or toys.
People complaining that the fan servicey Asari are being more fan servicey lol.

[1136342t54_]

XFemShepX wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

XFemShepX wrote...

I apparently have not.  I'm sure that this exists, but saying the entire communtiy hates anime is a rather large and sweeping generalization.  

If those people exist and are upset about this statue, it's probably because the Mass Effect universe hasn't had any sort of anime influence whatsoever.  It probably does not attract a lot of anime fans--I know there are some here, but you didn't look at Mass Effect and say, "whoa, great anime style!".  So seeing this sort of interpretation of a character that people have grown to love (personally, I've never even *liked* Liara, but whatever), probably upsets those people.

I have no issue with anime.  My issue is--the statue looks like a child, and doesn't look like/represent what Bioware's shown of Liara in game.  Except maybe the clothes.

Since they are making a Mass Effect Anime I'd say Anime is having an affect on Mass Effect.

That was not announced until after ME2, if I'm correct.  So again, I reiterate my point that people didn't come to the ME series looking for an anime style.

Those people who are pissed about this figurine are little to soft skinned. Seriously I can understand why you would dislike it but get pissed over it is pointless since you don't have to buy it and it isn't how Liara is going to look like in the game.

[XFemShepX]

1136342t54 wrote...
Those people who are pissed about this figurine are little to soft skinned. Seriously I can understand why you would dislike it but get pissed over it is pointless since you don't have to buy it and it isn't how Liara is going to look like in the game.

That's a solid point, and I'll give you that.  However, the DEVS were the one that posted this figure online (I believe facebook, actually) and asked everyone what they thought of it.  The conversation just happened to spill over here, since these are their boards.  I don't think you should take such personal offense to such an overwhelming opinion.  I am a HUGE Kaidan fan, and I've read a ton about how people hate him, nuked him, etc.  It's people's opinions, and the developers specifically asked for them.  So here they are.  Some are maybe not in the most constructive manner, but it is what it is--that's the internet, unfortunately.

My opinion is still that it looks like a creepy, oversexualized child with a gun and huge ****** that don't belong.

[1136342t54_]

XFemShepX wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
Those people who are pissed about this figurine are little to soft skinned. Seriously I can understand why you would dislike it but get pissed over it is pointless since you don't have to buy it and it isn't how Liara is going to look like in the game.

That's a solid point, and I'll give you that.  However, the DEVS were the one that posted this figure online (I believe facebook, actually) and asked everyone what they thought of it.  The conversation just happened to spill over here, since these are their boards.  I don't think you should take such personal offense to such an overwhelming opinion.  I am a HUGE Kaidan fan, and I've read a ton about how people hate him, nuked him, etc.  It's people's opinions, and the developers specifically asked for them.  So here they are.  Some are maybe not in the most constructive manner, but it is what it is--that's the internet, unfortunately.

My opinion is still that it looks like a creepy, oversexualized child with a gun and huge ****** that don't belong.

I'm not taking offense. I'm wondering why would take offense because of the figure. I don't like the figure either but I won't buy it.

[T764]

Just for XFemShepX,
Somebody labeling anime fans as peadophiles.

stysiaq wrote...
As if ME was SOOOO unpopular, that the getting the interests of pedo-anime fans is necessary for the financial success. I don't know the numbers, but the extra income coming from around-a-vide-game merchandise can't be much more than 1.5% of overall income, can it.

At no point in my post did i accuse you of bashing anime fans and at no point did i say that people who dislike anime should get abuse. I said that those that bash anime FANS deserve a similar amount of abuse.
For example, this guy.

SadSanta wrote...

Maybe they want to buy a statue but they don't want feel like indulging in a 16 year-old's fantasy.

Since its a thread complaining about the current figurine, I think its a legitimate place to demand a new one that isn't geared for people who haven't interacted with real women.

He is the bellend, he says nothing in relation to the quality of the statue instead choosing to dump on anime FANS.

Go through the thread and read my posts, i have pointed out repeatedly that its only a prototype and that the head appears to be of a lower quality.

So before i go "cry you a freaking river" mabye you should reread my post, but just in case you won't i will quote myself.

T764 wrote....
The second someone starts on the fans they prove themselves an ignorant narrowminded bellend and are inviting counter abuse.

Go read the whole thread then come back and comment.

[Ophiskc]

Nashiktal wrote...

I'm completely fine with how the statue was SUPPOSED to turn out. The concept art looks great, and while her face doesn't look like Liara's exactly, (in anime, differentiating characters, while varying between artists, is usually either the eyes, or the hair. Mostly the hair.) its still a great merging of concepts and ideas.

However the statue doesn't translate very well. The breasts bulge out more than they should because the arms are squishing them together (in statue making, the japanese actually don't usually do that unless the character ALREADY has large breasts. Not in this case.), the face isn't even close the concept, and the legs are a bit long. They altered the pose of the concept art to make it more.... unmodest? Im not sure what the word is.

Other than that though, I think its cool that Bioware is doing this. I just wish they would have stuck to the concept better.

Again for reference, this is the concept.

I agree with you, when i saw the concept art i found it amazing. Is a shame that it got lost in translation when the prototype was made

[1136342t54_]

The concept art wasn't that bad really. The execution kind of failed.