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[nitefyre410]

I think that those of us have seen this mans work before can say that this figure is not his best piece by far - honestly I think Bioware gave one of the more boring characters to work with from the start. There is not much you can do with an Asari render wise. Aria would have been a much more interest character - the face markings adding some flavor to the figure... Liara character design as whole is just bland(IMO)

[Jakedee010v2]

The statue is ****, I looked at it. It looks more like a... like a.. than Liara.

[habitat 67]

Nashiktal wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Its a Bishoujo figure people.
.

But why?
Why not medieval style, or Steampunk style, or super TRON style with glowing LEDs?
Just sayin.

Why a medieval figure? Why not a middle eastern figure? Why not a sherlock holmes Liara? Why not a Warhammer Liara? (For the greater good!)

We can play the "why not (x)" game forever. However its a Bishoujo figure. Mass Effect does have a nice fanbase in Japan.

Saying "Bishoujo" over and over does not make it more "artistic". She still looks lowest common denominator silly. I have more than a few friends who are Japanese (women) and they would also not be impressed. None of us have boobs that size and shape, BTW.
It is kinda weird, and defending it is fine or whatever, but I'm allowed to think it stinks.

I want TRON style figures...

What? I am not trying to make it more "artistic." I am saying what it is. What the hell are you even talking about?

If they made a Liara tron figure, I would be saying the exact same thing, just replace tron with Bishoujo. I am not even arguing against how silly it looks. I agree that the boobs look too big, the legs are too long, and the face is wierd.

However that is not what I am arguing with you about.

Get your arguments straight mate.

What the heck ARE you arguing about?  Why are you always arguing, brother? What does the middle east have to do with it??!?
I'm not here to argue. I don't have the energy. I don't even care.
The statue still looks like donkey dung. Boobs don't DO that, and if they did, all us womens would be walking all hunched over like. Or unable to see our shoes.

[T764]

I went back and looked again, is that head actually finished? It looks rough, more like a WIP.

[Zatwu]

I honestly can't tell the difference.

[Ace of Dawn]

AwesomeName wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

The problem is that people are seeing a trusted friend (and possibly lover) trivialized and sexualized by an exploitative anime sculptor.  It's bad enough that Liara felt the need to wear push-up space armor in LotSB, but now she may feel pressured to get eezo breast implants to keep pace with the unrealistic body image being foisted upon her by predatory entertainment media.

Aside from the emotional trauma this will cause the Bioware fanbase, there's also the matter of retconning our internal role-playing stories.  There could be thousands of pages of fanfic that will need adjustment to accommodate Liara's body image (and bigger boobs, in some of the more...exotic...writing).

The scope of this outrage is much wider than a simple decision not to by some sort of manga/anime statue.

While I appreciate your enjoyment of our characters... "emotional trauma"? Seriously? I would suggest you are over exaggerating this (or I hope so anyways).

Different artists, sculptors, musicians, etc have different takes on the piece of art they are working on (no matter the medium). Just because Todd Macfarlane draws Batman in one way and Gil Kane draws him another doesn't make one or the otehr better or more iconic. And just because Wonder Woman is drawn more voluptous by one artist, and less so by another doesn't make one or the other canon or better or insulting or whatever. They are different interpretations.

If we had asked famous artists like Salvador Dali, Annie Liebovitz and Robert Crumb to create their interpretation of Liara (or any ME character) I doubt they would be the same. And I know not everyone would like what they each came up with, beacuase different people have different interpretations of what "art" is. Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that. And, as with all works of art, if you do not like it, do not support it, view it, buy it, etc.

I don't get how anyone can fail to grasp any of what Priestly is saying here.  *Mind boggled*

Mostly because many have seen what Priestly has said. Typical forum behavior, read first post, formualate opinion, ignore any posts that have added to the conversation (to which I will admit I am even guilty of). Thus, you have people getting mad at the original image (which comes down to personal taste and style appreciation), without looking at Priestly's comment.

I think it's fine, since that was the style and intent. It's like getting mad at someone after you tell them to draw mickey mouse realistically and you're given a picture of a pencil-drawn field mouse. "That's not Mickey Mouse" you say/ But in the end, it is. Just not the style *you* want.

Modifié par Ace of Dawn, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:52 .

[Lozark]

That isn't quite what style is. Style is an artist's signature, the way they tend to handle lines and curves and nuances, the way they play with and handle anatomy. In theory, a Liara drawn by someone else would still read as Liara. Also, people are being asked to pay money for a statue of a character that does not read as the character. That's a failing on the sculptor's part, not the style's.

[Gabey5]

no one is forcing you to buy it...

[Lozark]

Re: Gabey
No, and I'm not. But I get irked when people use the term "style" as something to hide artistic flaws behind.

Modifié par Lozark, 08 septembre 2011 - 08:03 .

[Complistic]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I am not a big fan of anime/manga personally. As such, I won't be buying this statue. I suggest other people who don't like it also not buy it. This also works for foods you don't like to eat or clothes you don't like to wear. This may sound like madness, but you are not forced to buy things you don't like.

For those who do like the anime/manga style, I think thsi is a very cool statue. As I said, it isn't for me, but I know there will be people out there who'll snap this up when it is available. I like that the ME team is thinking "outside the box" and looking at merchandise that is different. Hopefully there'll be other statues, toys, trinkets, etc that come out which fans are not expecting.

Crazy talk

[Nashiktal]

habitat 67 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Its a Bishoujo figure people.
.

But why?
Why not medieval style, or Steampunk style, or super TRON style with glowing LEDs?
Just sayin.

Why a medieval figure? Why not a middle eastern figure? Why not a sherlock holmes Liara? Why not a Warhammer Liara? (For the greater good!)

We can play the "why not (x)" game forever. However its a Bishoujo figure. Mass Effect does have a nice fanbase in Japan.

Saying "Bishoujo" over and over does not make it more "artistic". She still looks lowest common denominator silly. I have more than a few friends who are Japanese (women) and they would also not be impressed. None of us have boobs that size and shape, BTW.
It is kinda weird, and defending it is fine or whatever, but I'm allowed to think it stinks.

I want TRON style figures...

What? I am not trying to make it more "artistic." I am saying what it is. What the hell are you even talking about?

If they made a Liara tron figure, I would be saying the exact same thing, just replace tron with Bishoujo. I am not even arguing against how silly it looks. I agree that the boobs look too big, the legs are too long, and the face is wierd.

However that is not what I am arguing with you about.

Get your arguments straight mate.

What the heck ARE you arguing about?  Why are you always arguing, brother? What does the middle east have to do with it??!?
I'm not here to argue. I don't have the energy. I don't even care.
The statue still looks like donkey dung. Boobs don't DO that, and if they did, all us womens would be walking all hunched over like. Or unable to see our shoes.

You claimed I kept calling it Bishoujo to make it artistic. I'm not, thats simply the style. You attacked me for telling you what it is. You prefer tron? Great, but thats not what it is. Why couldn't it have been tron? Well they would have to get the license for it for one, Bishoujo isn't a license its a style. You don't need licenses to do a style.

1. You are exageratting. Big breasts do cause back pain, but there are plenty of women with huge boobs who do fine. That has no bearing on the statue whatsoever. If you said liara shouldn't have such big breasts because, well she doesn't have them in the game... Then you are on to something.

2 If you were not here to argue, you wouldn't start and continue them.

3. Donkey dung? Looks nothing like donkey dung. It looks like liara with exageratted porportions though. (And a silly face. I think they missed the mark with her face, doesn't look Bishoujo as much as baby. There is a difference and in my opinon they missed it.)

Modifié par Nashiktal, 08 septembre 2011 - 08:17 .

[Nashiktal]

Blanchefleur wrote...

Would've been better off as a nendoroid. (I think they're cute and it would be so adorable with ME and DA nendoroids~)

I don't think I will get this statue. I will wait and see if the other ME girls gets a better treatment.

Nendroid would have been cool! 

What about vocaloids dressed up as Mass Effect characters? Megarine Luka as Miranda could be cute.

[ObserverStatus]

DuckSoup wrote...
You are wrong. 

There is a massive difference between expressing your opinion on something or giving constructive criticism and whinging about it. I have seen plenty of people b*tch and moan over the whole Femshep 5 thing, but he was not one of them. 

Quite honestly, with the amount of complaining that people do on here, I wouldn't put anything to the public vote again ever if I were Bioware. You'd get what you're given and you'd deal with it; you know, like the good old days.

<_< 

Don't make me break out the Rarity quotes, Ducky. You know I'll do it.

[AlphaDormante]

There's a difference between stylization and inaccuracy.

The problem here isn't that Kotobukiya added their own flair on the statue, it's that they did so to an extreme. When an artist draws something for an existing piece of work, more often than not, he "stylizes" it to fit his own technique and interpretation - but the thing is, in most cases like that, personality-defining traits such as expressions and body language are highly left alone.

An example of this would be Penny Arcade's poster made for Uncharted 3 (I know PA isn't the most popular company, but this example is the most recent one I could think of). The art in the poster is highly stylized with the artist Krahulik's usual cartoony art, which is a far cry from the realistic, somewhat grim atmosphere of Uncharted. But it still works (at least for me) because Krahulik stayed faithful to the characters' personalities in their facial expressions and poses.

Kotobukiya, on the other hand, seemed to take stylistic freedom and ramped it up to eleven. In having her strike a pose that pushes her melons together and arch her spine like a ballet dancer, and in giving her an expression like someone just told her they're giving away free fudge at the Presidium, they've upgraded from "stylization" to "makeover".

tl;dr version: The statue is OOC, and "it's stylization!" should not extend to personality as well as appearance.

[ObserverStatus]

DuckSoup wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

DuckSoup wrote...
You are wrong. 

There is a massive difference between expressing your opinion on something or giving constructive criticism and whinging about it. I have seen plenty of people b*tch and moan over the whole Femshep 5 thing, but he was not one of them. 

Quite honestly, with the amount of complaining that people do on here, I wouldn't put anything to the public vote again ever if I were Bioware. You'd get what you're given and you'd deal with it; you know, like the good old days.

<_< 

Don't make me break out the Rarity quotes, Ducky. You know I'll do it.

Wot? 

*hacehoof* I'll explain in a PM later.

[bloodransom]

honestly I think its cool to see artists do their own versions of these characters. I know people are making a big deal about her breasts in this statue nut honestly that's not the part that bothers me, it is the face and the massive forehead, the face doesn't represent liara at all. but to be fair I didn't draw the anime it was based off of. the pose isnt right either doesn't suit her personality.

The funny thing is I don't know if an ashley statue that looked just like this one would bother me at all, especially in her new outfit with that plunging neckline, seriously total ash retcon lol

[Phaedon]

You know this guy? Yeah, he was my favourite sportsman back in the day. But western civilization had to pick him up, oversexualize, and ruin him.

Kidding aside, relax.
Yes, I dislike it. A lot. Buying it never even crossed my mind.

But attacking the artist?
Well. That's a bit funny considering that we all come from a civilization that has worshipped nude and muscular bodies from its very birth.

It's just a different art style, which isn't very compatible with western-ish political correctness. Deal with it. Or better yet, don't. Just ignore this product and invest your hard earned money on something more useful.

Modifié par Phaedon, 08 septembre 2011 - 08:34 .

[dcal31]

My $0.02. A minority of people will like, a minority will absolutely hate it and the majority won't really care either way. As for myself, I think it's kind of creepy and it's not my style anyways, so I won't be buying it, but I really don't care that much.

[Corwyn]

I'm actually somewhat curious how this statue will do. Normally when I read the doom and gloom on the forums about how ME2 or DA2 betrayed the franchises and people are outraged the products still sell and the complainers eventually move on to something else.

But this time around even a fair chunk of the people defending it seem to be kind of meh about it. Most of the defenders instead of praising the statue are basically saying don't buy it if you don't like it. Which is true but hardly a ringing endorsement.

Personally I wouldn't go so far as to call the statue a mistake but I do wish it had done a few things differently, basically the same complaints as everybody else about the babyface and squeezing her enormous boobs together. It's a shame because I actually thought the concept art for the statue looked interesting.