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[didymos1120]

Ophiskc wrote...

Who says there will be made any other statue of Liara at all? you totally missed my point.

Maybe there won't be.  Oh. Well.  Life isn't fair, and companies don't always do what you want.

[RocketManSR2]

bobobo878 wrote...

Personally, I don't see what the problem is. If someone has a taste for this kind of thing, they'll buy it. And if no one does, they won't do this again. Just vote with your wallets people.

QFT

9 pages of complete and utter nonsense.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:39 .

[matt-bassist]

Nyoka wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

It actually does partially. Anime style IS different than ME realistic style, this is just a fact.

No, it doesn't.

- That statue is too sexualized.
- But that's what this style is about. They always sexualize everything.
- That's very fine. And the statue (as a statue, not as an example of some style) is still too sexualized. Besides she's got a baby face.
- Yeah that style is about sexualizing children actually. That's pretty much what they do.
- Okay. Thanks for saying I'm right.
- No I didn't--
- Didn't you just say that style sexualizes the body and makes baby faces?
- Well yes, but--
- Alright then.

The fact that it's supposed to be overly sexualized and that she's supposed to have the face of a child is actually an acknowledgment of the criticism, not an answer.

It sounds like you have a much more deep-seeded issues and this Liara doll is only scratching the surface...

[AtreiyaN7]

I don't like the statue, but at the same time, I don't really see the need to keep raging over this over this ad infinitum. There was already an existing thread about it, but in any case, it's merchandise aimed at people who like anime and - going out on a limb here - the bishoujo thing. That it doesn't particularly resemble Liara is something I'm not shocked by after viewing examples of other characters turned into figurines by the company.

I'm not a fan at all of their particular style/aesthetic after seeing their other work, but big whoop, all that means it that I'm not interested and won't spend money on it. Someone who's into Kotobukiya's products and their style might be happy with it, and good for them I guess.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:29 .

[Nashiktal]

I'm completely fine with how the statue was SUPPOSED to turn out. The concept art looks great, and while her face doesn't look like Liara's exactly, (in anime, differentiating characters, while varying between artists, is usually either the eyes, or the hair. Mostly the hair.) its still a great merging of concepts and ideas.

However the statue doesn't translate very well. The breasts bulge out more than they should because the arms are squishing them together (in statue making, the japanese actually don't usually do that unless the character ALREADY has large breasts. Not in this case.), the face isn't even close the concept, and the legs are a bit long. They altered the pose of the concept art to make it more.... unmodest? Im not sure what the word is.

Other than that though, I think its cool that Bioware is doing this. I just wish they would have stuck to the concept better.

Again for reference, this is the concept.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:52 .

[nitefyre410]

It looks better as drawing than a statue - it just does not translate in the statue form

[Homey C-Dawg]

The outfit is well done. I like the long legs. Good sharp details. Not a fan of the baby face. Breasts are too big and heavily showcased, but that's anime for you. Doesn't look like something I'd get.

Could be worse. After all, Japan's pedo-ish schoolgirl obsession is probably the least disturbing aspect of their...ummm... "creative" sexual expressions. Don't forget about the existence of tentacle demon porn. Not to mention they're getting closer and closer to being able to have sex with human robots, just like they've always wanted.

You might not guess it from my last statement, but I actually like anime myself most of the time, but I don't really care much for anime in ME (or the dark horse comic stuff for that matter). I think the universe is better suited to a more realistic art style more in line with the game.

Perhaps they should do a Tali statue. I'll bet they'd have some trouble giving her a baby face (though she runs the risk of tentacle porn).

[Reciever80]

Mr.House wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I am not a big fan of anime/manga personally. As such, I won't be buying this statue. I suggest other people who don't like it also not buy it. This also works for foods you don't like to eat or clothes you don't like to wear. This may sound like madness, but you are not forced to buy things you don't like.

For those who do like the anime/manga style, I think thsi is a very cool statue. As I said, it isn't for me, but I know there will be people out there who'll snap this up when it is available. I like that the ME team is thinking "outside the box" and looking at merchandise that is different. Hopefully there'll be other statues, toys, trinkets, etc that come out which fans are not expecting.

The problem people have with this Chris is it looks nothing like Liara. No freckles,diffrent face, oversexulised body with the only thing Liara is the lab suit. If you guys just said it was an asari the reaction would be alot diffrent.

I agree completely. If you showed that to an ME fan, 9/10 people would say 'Asari'...the other 1/10 would just guess Liara b/c that's the first thing that comes to mind when they see an asari.

Looks absolutely nothing like Liara, and the fact they distorted her 'curves' AND changed the face to look like a child?

That's just wierd, and gross.

[T764]

Good Christ, this thread went from discussing the artistic style of a figure, its target audience and how to fix it into labelling anime fans as Paedophiles.

Sometimes i look at the BSN and think "i have never encountered a bigger collection of wankers".

Edit: Apparently i'm not allowed to say what i want.

Modifié par T764, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:34 .

[silentassassin264]

I would prefer the face looking more like the concept art but I will probably still get it.

[Nashiktal]

nitefyre410 wrote...

It looks better as drawing than a statue - it just does not translate in the statue form

I disagree. It would look great as a statue. Its just for some reason, somewhere, the look was lost in translation. Let me give an example...

This is hatsune miku. An avatar for the vocaloid audio program. She is currently in a pose that fits the music video for the song "love is war."


This is her statue based on the same character, for the same song.



Aside from giving her skin color back (she is pure whit in the video. Its a great song, I reccomend it.) it captures the essence and concept perfectly.


If the statue would follow its own concept art, I have no doubt it would look amazing, and might even appeal to consumers who are not usually fans of anime.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:34 .

[nitefyre410]

Nashiktal wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

It looks better as drawing than a statue - it just does not translate in the statue form

I disagree. It would look great as a statue. Its just for some reason, somewhere, the look was lost in translation. Let me give an example...

This is hatsune miku. An avatar for the vocaloid audio program. She is currently in a pose that fits the music video for the song "love is war."


This is her statue based on the same character, for the same song.

*snip*

Aside from giving her skin color back (she is pure whit in the video. Its a great song, I reccomend it.) it captures the essence and concept perfectly.
*sniP*

 

yes yes i have awesome  Love is War poster on my wall that a bought from  great amateur artist at a local Con artist alley... I see you point-  I just think Liara was  not a good choice - Aria would have been better.    I see point with  the comparision///

Modifié par nitefyre410, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:39 .

[Shadow Fox]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Personally, I don't see what the problem is. If someone has a taste for this kind of thing, they'll buy it. And if no one does, they won't do this again. Just vote with your wallets people.

QFT

9 pages of complete and utter nonsense.

People on here like to **** apparently

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:18 .

[Valdrane78]

I will be exercising my consumer rights and will not be purchasing this statue. Profits, or lack there of is one of the very few things companies listen to. I suggest that those of you who also dislike this statue do the same, other wise your are just flapping your lips and no one is listening.

[habitat 67]

AwesomeName wrote...

T764 wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I'm not a fan of the statue either, but they are not reducing Liara to an anime character i.e. she isn't going to look like this in the third game.  This is a statue, a piece of merchandise, that exists outside the game.  I can't imagine how people on here would react to a line of Mass Effect lego... "oh gods why shep have mug for head?!".  Not every piece of merchandise, comic, etc., for a universe like this is going to have the same look.

They wouldn't react that way to Mass Effect Lego because Lego is COOL and anime is not.

LOL

Yep.

[Niddy']

Female figure is attractive; more at 11.

[Mims]

The problem with this statue is that it doesn't even do as advertised. It doesn't look like an 'anime styled Liara'. It looks like some random asari we don't know.

[Sajuro]

I hate to see what people will say when Bioware announces that the Citadel will be a world in Kingdom Hearts 3.... oh

[Greed1914]

I'm pretty familiar with Kotobukiya's figures, including the company's bishoujo line, and I like them.  It'll be well made, if nothing else.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Not a fan of this sculpture at all, but I can respect the skill required to execute it. The artist is pretty damn incredible even if his vision is a tad.....off from fan expectations.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 09 septembre 2011 - 03:37 .

[Shadow Fox]

Valdrane78 wrote...

I will be exercising my consumer rights and will not be purchasing this statue. Profits, or lack there of is one of the very few things companies listen to. I suggest that those of you who also dislike this statue do the same, other wise your are just flapping your lips and no one is listening.

...Except that the ****ers on here are not the targeted demograph?


PS: I'll never understand why there's  such a strong hatred for anime on these boards it makes me sad...
PS2: Liara's ingame face is fugly the statue can't do worse.

[darth_lopez]

I don't hate anime and if it was some other asari i wouldn't care but something is off on the figure and it needs to be renamed as not liara t'soni or killed as an abomination possessed by a daemon of chaos.

...the boobs are nice though...that is all >.>

in anycase i haven't read the whole thread and was just voicing my opinion on this as a fan (especially considering that's what i thought bioware released the images for, to recieve fan's input) Which leads me to this quote from the first page. And i don't mean to instigate or be rude or anything with this Mr. Priestly (as i realize what i say could be taken offensively and out of context <.<) but

Chris Priestly wrote...

I am not a big fan of anime/manga
personally. As such, I won't be buying this statue. I suggest other
people who don't like it also not buy it. This also works for foods you
don't like to eat or clothes you don't like to wear. This may sound like
madness, but you are not forced to buy things you don't like.

while i am a fan of the don't buy what you don't like rule, and excersize it frequently starting with origin related games(excluding ME 3 as the only exception as origin is an inevitability), I do believe that at least as far as the press is concerned Bioware Released the pics to recieve fan input on the product much like the Fem Shep covers for the N7CE ME3...
Backing with sites
Escapist from page 1 It's in the 1st paragraph here >.>
Kotaku my original source
Another site that concurs with Ktoku
Another
another
And well the list goes on... Suffice to say there are plenty of sites that claim Bioware wanted feedback.

Now like i said i don't mean to be rude or criticize or start anything just Bring to the floor a question of: "If we are told we should give feedback on a design should we not only be able to give feedback to the company asking, but also do so without feeling like we've recieved a jaded response. One that cleverly throws to the curb any complaints against the design in favor of a 'Don't Like it Don't Buy' it stance."

Though i don't think asking for the face or the body in general to resemble liara's better than it does is a bad request. It simply doesn't look like her and one can have an Anime style with out Oversized breasts Too slender a body, and a not right looking face.


Personally i feel that any complaints we bring to the floor at this point are null and void from the comment you made. And that it is rather similar to say, despite the FemShep vote (whatever the fem shep vote was) someone saying that Bioware is picking an entirely different FemShep than the ones that recieved Feedback as good and great. And simply instructs you if you don't like it don't buy it to those who feel slighted by this.

like i said before though i'm not trying to start anything, i'm not trying to derail, i'm not trying to instigate or accuse you of being a horrible person (cause you are hilarious and typically awesome) I'm just drawing attention to something that bothered me while i was reading this and made me feel a bit uneasy as to whether our feedback is at all being taken seriously when it is asked for.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:41 .

[T764]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You know what annoys me? People disliking this thing and supporters going "you hate anime." As far as I'm concerned, real anime isn't about utterly ginormous boobs and the face of an eight year old (I'm not exaggerating; it really looks like the face of an eight year old or younger). I would feel like a P.edo.file owning this, and it has nothing to do with it being "anime," it has to do with those boobs and that face.

Go bach through the thread and count the number of people who are hating the anime style before the crap pose and incomplete face.

Also remember that it's a prototype and, at least to me, the face looks unfinished.