Maybe I missed something here but if Cerberus and TIM are pro-humanity, why are they against Shepard and company in ME3? Considering the trailers all show that Earth, you know Humanity's home plantet, is being destroyed by Reapers, wouldn't TIM put to use his resources to stop the Reapers instead of trying to take down Shepard? I mean he spent tons upon tons of resources bringing him back from the dead, yet Cerberus is shown trying to take Shepard out. Please help me make sense of this.
Cerberus against Shepard?
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 06:09
Kyria Nyriese
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We don't know exactly what is going on with Cerberus at this time, though yes it does seem as though they are against Shepard in ME 3 (I THINK Casey Hudson had a tweet regarding this, but I don't feel like going back through months of his tweets to find it). The common theory is Indoctrination - which is in fact referenced in one of the demos - however, that could be all of Cerberus or could just be a Rogue cell again. We'll see what happens when the game comes out.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 06:10
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It seems a bit silly at the moment, but apparently the reasons for why they are doing it will be one of ME3's major plot revelations- in other words they know something that we don't.
Also Cerberus aren't actively hunting down Shepard (according to lead writer Mac Walters) but rather Shepard is simply getting in the way of their operations.
BTW it's not indoctrination- TIM is confirmed to be in command of Cerberus operations in ME3 and he is also confirmed to be 'himself' (again, Mac Walters's words).
Also Cerberus aren't actively hunting down Shepard (according to lead writer Mac Walters) but rather Shepard is simply getting in the way of their operations.
BTW it's not indoctrination- TIM is confirmed to be in command of Cerberus operations in ME3 and he is also confirmed to be 'himself' (again, Mac Walters's words).
Modifié par Bad King, 08 septembre 2011 - 06:12 .
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 06:10
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Cerberus are working with the Reapers. Mysterious!
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 06:22
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After the gameplay videos I've seen, I'm starting to think that Cerberus fighting Sheperd has less to do with the Reapers and more to do with the female Krogan.
Maybe Cerberus has designs on the genophage that we don't know about?
Maybe Cerberus has designs on the genophage that we don't know about?
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 06:25
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TIM thought the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity. After realizing that they wanted to turn humans into a Reaper, he decided that that would be the best way to human supremacy.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 06:27
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Xilizhra wrote...
TIM thought the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity. After realizing that they wanted to turn humans into a Reaper, he decided that that would be the best way to human supremacy.
Why does this dumb theory always manage to crawl its way up to these sorts of threads?
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 06:30
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Because in all honesty it's not all that far fetched. While I don't personally think it is the case, I can see it being the case.Lizardviking wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
TIM thought the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity. After realizing that they wanted to turn humans into a Reaper, he decided that that would be the best way to human supremacy.
Why does this dumb theory always manage to crawl its way up to these sorts of threads?
This is my opinion and is no more valid than anyone elses.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 07:00
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I assume a certain pessimistic forum member has a lot to do with it...Lizardviking wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
TIM thought the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity. After realizing that they wanted to turn humans into a Reaper, he decided that that would be the best way to human supremacy.
Why does this dumb theory always manage to crawl its way up to these sorts of threads?
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 07:58
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Here we go. Just how many times more will I see this topic!
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 08:04
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Lizardviking wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
TIM
thought the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity. After realizing that
they wanted to turn humans into a Reaper, he decided that that would be
the best way to human supremacy.
Why does this dumb theory always manage to crawl its way up to these sorts of threads?
Because it's not that far off from Saren's reasoning for serving Soverign, making it not that dumb?
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 08:17
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dgcatanisiri wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
TIM
thought the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity. After realizing that
they wanted to turn humans into a Reaper, he decided that that would be
the best way to human supremacy.
Why does this dumb theory always manage to crawl its way up to these sorts of threads?
Because it's not that far off from Saren's reasoning for serving Soverign, making it not that dumb?
Also let's be honest TIM and Cerberus don't have a stellar record of doing the smart thing. The only Cerberus project my Shep has come across that didn't ended up backfiring with the whole team dead or indoctrinated is bringing Shep back to life and even I ended up turning on them.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 08:27
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dgcatanisiri wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
TIM
thought the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity. After realizing that
they wanted to turn humans into a Reaper, he decided that that would be
the best way to human supremacy.
Why does this dumb theory always manage to crawl its way up to these sorts of threads?
Because it's not that far off from Saren's reasoning for serving Soverign, making it not that dumb?
Because Saren was indoctrinated? Because Saren did not have the full picture of what the Reapers do to organics (turn them into slaves or melt them down)? Unlike TIM who has full knowlegde of what the Reaper do, and is still in control of his own mind (if Mac is to be believed).
And because turning humanity into a Reaper is not futhering Human dominace but Reaper dominace?
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 08:53
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I only worry that ME3 will be too humanity-centered. Perhaps that works for some people, perhaps it even works for almost everyone. But especially with the entire galaxy at stake with multiple species involved, some of which were exploring the space when humanity didn't even know what wheat was, it seems such a terribly tiny and egocentric scope to be mostly dealing with humans.
Kinda like if an entire country was at war, and Shepard was a marine, Cerberus would represent his domestic issues with his wife and children back home. I honestly just do not care, the war and how the marine deals with it and what he does there is about a trillion times more interesting.
Of course I'm gonna buy and enjoy ME3 regardless. BW will make it work, as they always do. Doesn't mean I have to appreciate the over-exaggarated focus on Cerberus.
Kinda like if an entire country was at war, and Shepard was a marine, Cerberus would represent his domestic issues with his wife and children back home. I honestly just do not care, the war and how the marine deals with it and what he does there is about a trillion times more interesting.
Of course I'm gonna buy and enjoy ME3 regardless. BW will make it work, as they always do. Doesn't mean I have to appreciate the over-exaggarated focus on Cerberus.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 09:55
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Saren knew what the Reapers were, and what they planned. He was hoping that by making himself invaluable to the Reapers he would be able to make a place in their universe for organics willing to be used. So yes I could see the same thing with TIM and Cerberus. TIM wants to advance humanity at any cost, why is making humanity the next Reaper so far fetched.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 10:10
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Kyria Nyriese wrote...
Saren knew what the Reapers were, and what they planned. He was hoping that by making himself invaluable to the Reapers he would be able to make a place in their universe for organics willing to be used. So yes I could see the same thing with TIM and Cerberus. TIM wants to advance humanity at any cost, why is making humanity the next Reaper so far fetched.
I don't think TIM would want to end up like the Prothreans/Collectors though. He saw what ended up happening to them. I don't think that would be considered superiority but rather enslavement and degeneration of humanity.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 10:34
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I think it would be somewhat of a reversal from what TIM's stated goals were in ME2 for him to now jump onto the reaper bandwagon.
He may be trying to manipulate the outcome of the war so that only humanity is left as victors, not necessarily as Reaper food.
He may be trying to manipulate the outcome of the war so that only humanity is left as victors, not necessarily as Reaper food.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 10:47
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Before someone brings it up, Cerberus doesn't work for the Reapers.
That would be too obvious. A "well duh" moment when you found out why they wanted Shepard dead.
That would be too obvious. A "well duh" moment when you found out why they wanted Shepard dead.
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 11:20
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Well, Cerberus is trying to kill the Krogan princess which would (presumably) annihilate (or stagnate) the species. That's a 180 degree turn from wanting to use Krogan as shock troops against the Reapers. TIM's made a deal w/ the Reapers in some form or another. Question is, will he use this to ascend the human race or simply play along w/ Harbinger hoping to find a way to beat the Reapers by studying them more closely?
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Posté 08 septembre 2011 - 11:39
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No TIM is not working with or for the reapers... he has his own plans that has been in the works for this whole time. It most likely has something to do with defeating the reapers and placing humanity on top. Maybe in the star in the background has great worth.
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Posté 09 septembre 2011 - 12:17
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According to this interview with Drew, Cerberus is indoctrinated, what is not clear, is whether it was done by the Reapers or by TIM
http://www.newsarama...ars-110908.html
What follows is an excerpt, from an interview of Drew Karpyshyn by Newsarama (full interview can be found at the URL above):
Nrama: Now indoctrination, that's something that we touch upon a bit in the games, it's a major plot point of Mass Effect 3; why was that something that needed to be expanded upon outside the games?
Karpyshyn: Well I think one of the things you want to understand about indoctrination and that I tried to get across in the third book, Retribution, in particular is that it's more than just mind control, it's something
beyond that. In some ways it's sort of an evolution into a new existence. It brings with it certain benefits!
ENLARGE
Nrama: So is it more of an assimilation?
Karpyshyn: Sort of an assimilation, sort of an ascension, sort of an evolution of
the organic and synthetic hybrid. But obviously with a dark undertone.
The thing we wanted to get across is that it's not just a thing that's done to you, it's something that happens
to you. It progresses and grows, and there are benefits to it. You
know, Grayson became extremely physically strong, powerful in biotics.
With the Illusive Man, this is something he has been studying because he
sees the potential of getting the benefits without the drawbacks.
Again, I'm not trying to spoil anything... things are never exactly what they first appear.
[Mass Effect 3] is more than just "Oh, Cerberus was indoctrinated the whole time." It's
a complex story that you can see the roots of in the novels.
http://www.newsarama...ars-110908.html
What follows is an excerpt, from an interview of Drew Karpyshyn by Newsarama (full interview can be found at the URL above):
Nrama: Now indoctrination, that's something that we touch upon a bit in the games, it's a major plot point of Mass Effect 3; why was that something that needed to be expanded upon outside the games?
Karpyshyn: Well I think one of the things you want to understand about indoctrination and that I tried to get across in the third book, Retribution, in particular is that it's more than just mind control, it's something
beyond that. In some ways it's sort of an evolution into a new existence. It brings with it certain benefits!
ENLARGENrama: So is it more of an assimilation?
Karpyshyn: Sort of an assimilation, sort of an ascension, sort of an evolution of
the organic and synthetic hybrid. But obviously with a dark undertone.
The thing we wanted to get across is that it's not just a thing that's done to you, it's something that happens
to you. It progresses and grows, and there are benefits to it. You
know, Grayson became extremely physically strong, powerful in biotics.
With the Illusive Man, this is something he has been studying because he
sees the potential of getting the benefits without the drawbacks.
Again, I'm not trying to spoil anything... things are never exactly what they first appear.
[Mass Effect 3] is more than just "Oh, Cerberus was indoctrinated the whole time." It's
a complex story that you can see the roots of in the novels.
Modifié par inversevideo, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:26 .
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Posté 09 septembre 2011 - 12:26
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Draul2319 wrote...
Maybe I missed something here but if Cerberus and TIM are pro-humanity, why are they against Shepard and company in ME3? Considering the trailers all show that Earth, you know Humanity's home plantet, is being destroyed by Reapers, wouldn't TIM put to use his resources to stop the Reapers instead of trying to take down Shepard? I mean he spent tons upon tons of resources bringing him back from the dead, yet Cerberus is shown trying to take Shepard out. Please help me make sense of this.
My suspicions: tIM has struck a deal with the Reapers....The Reapers bypass a percentage of Human Colonies in return for Sheps body.
Of course it would bite tIM in the *ss, I can't see the Reapers cutting a deal like that, though they have made it obvious they want Sheps body.
