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[ADLegend21]

 I've seen on the board how some people say "Shepard isn't really Shepard in ME2 the brain doesn't just pop back to life" and other such things. well I thoght of a theory of how they got Shepard back to being Shepard mentally. We all know Liara is the one who gave Shepard's bdy to Cerberus after taking it from teh Shadow broker so she knew Shepard was coming back to life. Well when Shepard's brain was inact enough I think she melded with that brain to put everything she had from Shepard's consciousness back into his/her brain. She melds with Shepard twice (three times if Romanced) so she should have enough of Shepard's mind in her to put them back to the way they were if Cerberus couldn't resture Shepard's memory. Makes sense to me that she had some part in Lazarus than just providing the body ESPECIALLY if she's romanced.

[marshalleck]

Well, I think there are two problems with the idea. One, it's never hinted at by any primary source that Liara melded with Shepard's brain or nervous system in between games. Even Liara seems to think once Cerberus got a hold of Shepard's remains, her involvement was over. Second, it's never suggested by any primary source that asari can "keep a copy" of an individual they've melded with. All they really do is use their partner's DNA as a key to influence and rearrange the genetic traits of their offspring.

That said, I think there is more to the Lazarus project than was presented in ME2 and I suspect it will be a major revelation in ME3.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:02 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...

Well, I think there are two problems with the idea. One, it's never hinted at by any primary source that Liara melded with Shepard's brain or nervous system in between games. Second, it's never suggested by any primary source that asari can "keep a copy" of an individual they've melded with. All they really do is use their partner's DNA as a key to randomize the genetic traits of their offspring.

That said, I think there is more to the Lazarus project than was presented in ME2 and I suspect it will be a major revelation in ME3.

That one asari lady recorded that message,maybe Liara can "record" a memory, but that is very farfetched... I shouldn't have even said it.

[marshalleck]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote..That one asari lady recorded that message,maybe Liara can "record" a memory, but that is very farfetched... I shouldn't have even said it.

The what happened? Refresh my memory, please. Maybe it's pertinent to the subject.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[ADLegend21]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote..That one asari lady recorded that message,maybe Liara can "record" a memory, but that is very farfetched... I shouldn't have even said it.

The what happened? Refresh my memory, please.

The asari on Illium records a Message from the rachni queen if you saved her on Noveria. She sounds liek the asari the queen possesses on Noveria so the paragon response is shepard telling teh queen to stop possesing people. the Asari said the queen didn't and that it was recorded in her mind because she saw them as "only an Asari can" meaning she melded with the queen.

[marshalleck]

ADLegend21 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote..That one asari lady recorded that message,maybe Liara can "record" a memory, but that is very farfetched... I shouldn't have even said it.

The what happened? Refresh my memory, please.

The asari on Illium records a Message from the rachni queen if you saved her on Noveria. She sounds liek the asari the queen possesses on Noveria so the paragon response is shepard telling teh queen to stop possesing people. the Asari said the queen didn't and that it was recorded in her mind because she saw them as "only an Asari can" meaning she melded with the queen.

Oh, well recording a message is, I think, not quite the same as keeping an imprint of their mind. Also it's not entirely clear to me whether that message was the product of the asari nervous system, or something the rachni did to her. We saw in ME1 that the queen is capable of temporarily controlling a subject whose vital signs are weakened. A lesser form of it could be used on a more vital subject if they are both willing to submit to the mental domination, and particularly receptive to manipulation of the nervous system, as asari are.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:10 .

[JBONE27]

Perhaps it has something to do with the space suite. It does record thing, maybe it has an imprinting feature like in Doctor Who (Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead). That would explain how Shepard's memories and thought patterns can be imprinted onto a brain. Granted this is even more baseless than the Liara mind meld... also if you romanced her, the fact that she remained at your side and were on the ship more often implies that she and you did meld multiple times after the game.

[wolfbane479]

i was just thinking about this and if you look at it memories are stored chemically by the brain and if they managed to revive the other 90% of the dead cells in the body they should be able to restore life to the brain cell and memories are what shapes our personalities. so in essence shepard is a high quality soulless zombie(lol)

[marshalleck]

JBONE27 wrote...

Perhaps it has something to do with the space suite. It does record thing, maybe it has an imprinting feature like in Doctor Who (Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead).  

That episode was both intensely creepy and incredibly sad all at once.

[sbvera13]

I think the writers just forgot about it, since the whole "shepard dies" thing was put in as an obvious gameplay link instead of an actual story element. After all, once you leave the cerberus station, aside from a side comment or two it's really never mentioned again.

[Feanor_II]

I have always asked if Shepard REALLY did die, I always have thought that Sheppard was in a kind of coma or "stasis mode", and what Cerberus really did was rebuild him physically, not resurrect him.

[Jakedee010v2]

Dose it matter? If so, I guess we will find out. For now, continue to make up theories.

[Kaiser Shepard]

It wouldn't surprise me if it ultimately turns out that Shepard has been Graybox'd at one point or another, as an explanation as to why he 'retained' all his memories.

[Kasai666]

marshalleck wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Perhaps it has something to do with the space suite. It does record thing, maybe it has an imprinting feature like in Doctor Who (Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead).  

That episode was both intensely creepy and incredibly sad all at once.

I loved those two episodes. River Song was amazing. 

[JamieCOTC]

Mass Effect is space opera. Best not to think too hard about such things w/ space opera. That's how you get things like midi-chlorians.

[Biotic Sage]

My theory about Shepard's brain:

It is actually being controlled by a 23 year old from the 21st century!!!

duh duh duh...

[Zan Mura]

Kinda pointless debating these, I think. Might as well state that all of ME is a dream in some nutcase's head, since the whole concept of ME fields to gain telekinetic powers is just scientific bogus.

The level of technology we're dealing with here is beyond anything we know, so speculating on something like whether or not Shep is the same Shep is just pointless, we simply do not have the information. Far better to just go with the story. Trust me, there are bigger holes there than that if you want to start picking the world apart. It's meant to work as a story and a game, it was never meant to withstand intense scrutiny with regards to physics and reality as we know them.

[AdmiralCheez]

They used the shrink ray on a well-trained chimp, then had him climb up Shep's nose to repair and reconnect each individual neuron precisely as it was.

As there are trillions of neural connections in the adult human brain and they only had two years, that's one fast monkey.

[stysiaq]

My guess is: who the hell cares, nobody gave it a thought at BioWare, so why wor our brains out to solve plotholes.

[Arken]

marshalleck wrote...

Second, it's never suggested by any primary source that asari can "keep a copy" of an individual they've melded with.

That's pretty much what happened on Feros. Shepard aquired a copy of the parts of the Thorian needed to understand protheans.

Shepard coming back to life is one major plot hole. It isn't that it's impossible, but it is never explained. Everything else is explained but Shepard coming back is just hand waved. I don't care what the explanation is as long as there is one. Maybe somehow Liara was involved.

I mean if Bioware ever decides to explain this plot hole then asari mind melding can be some type of explanation. I mean they would have to say Liara was semi-involved in Lazarus, but it's better than nothing.

[marshalleck]

Arken wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Second, it's never suggested by any primary source that asari can "keep a copy" of an individual they've melded with.

That's pretty much what happened on Feros. Shepard aquired a copy of the parts of the Thorian needed to understand protheans.

Shepard coming back to life is one major plot hole. It isn't that it's impossible, but it is never explained. Everything else is explained but Shepard coming back is just hand waved. I don't care what the explanation is as long as there is one. Maybe somehow Liara was involved.

I mean if Bioware ever decides to explain this plot hole then asari mind melding can be some type of explanation. I mean they would have to say Liara was semi-involved in Lazarus, but it's better than nothing.

Strange then that Liara doesn't seem to know she was involved. I suppose they could contrive some reason that despite all of what we saw in ME2 and LotSB, Liara for some reason would keep that hidden from Shepard and feign ignorance of any involvement with what they were doing after her admitted assistance in securing Shepard's body.

[marshalleck]

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

Dose it matter? If so, I guess we will find out. For now, continue to make up theories.

Did it matter that Saren was reconstructed as an avatar of the Reapers? Heck yes it did. It could matter just as much if Shepard is a result of the same or similar process appropriated by Cerberus. 

[Arkitekt]

No, Mass Effect 2 is no "ST: Search for Shepard".

[Han Shot First]

I think Shepard in ME2 is the same Shepard of ME1, just because this is a Sci Fi franchise and I believe that is what Bioware intended. I don't believe it will be ever written into the story that the Shepard of ME2 and ME3 is not the same guy or girl that you played as in ME1. The whole resurrection of Shepard after falling planetside is unrealstic to begin with. It's just one of those things you shouldn't devote too much thought to, accept that a wizard did it, and move on

Modifié par Han Shot First, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:16 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

marshalleck wrote...

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

Dose it matter? If so, I guess we will find out. For now, continue to make up theories.

Did it matter that Saren was reconstructed as an avatar of the Reapers? Heck yes it did. It could matter just as much if Shepard is a result of the same or similar process appropriated by Cerberus. 

Watch as it turns out that that is indeed the case, and that Shep will be thusly be linked to the Reaper Cerberus inevitably manages to create at some point after the end of ME2. Somewhat clichéd, but could be nice if it gets coupled with a Lelouch-style "If I can't kill you, I'll just take my own life.", although a full circle-ish Saren like moment would also be neat.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:26 .