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[V-rex]

There should be some tension, no denying it. But I'd really rather not have it be an over long drawn out 'YOU LEFT ME ON HORIZON RAR RAR RAR RAR' angst brigade especially during the whole Reaper invasion.
I can understand hesitation and I can understand awkwardness and I can understand both parties involved having to try to apologize, I can even understand there being a few fights but I'd rather not have the game do the opposite of what it did with Liara in Lair of the Shadow Broker.

I.E Force me to be angry at Ashley with no other options, despite the fact that I am the Commander Shepard who stayed faithful to her despite everything. How does someone go from staring lovingly at the picture of his loved one right before a dangerous final mission, to angrily screaming in her face when he meets her face to face for the first time in a year?
All due to one argument that was, again, over a year ago.
To me it would just be glaringly inconsistant. If he stares at her picture tenderly in his last moment of peace before a final battle, wouldn't that be sufficient enough evidence to suggest that he's forgiven her?

Plus, it would be also inconsistant in my mind at least for Ashley to still be mad about Cerberus given that My Shepard romanced her in the first game and as such got the message from her after Horizon where she apologizes, admits that she still trusts him, understands what his true mission is and essentially bears her soul to him. To have her suddenly go back to 'Cerberus, how could you?!' would just be ridiculous.
Yes, I am aware that the whole Email thing was a tiny cop out solution on Bioware's part, but I still like to believe that since they made it, they acknowledge that the hostility has died down on Ashley's side and I will be very pissed if they just decide to sweep it under the carpet in Mass Effect 3.

Look, to wrap all of this up nicely. I expect there to be tension, maybe even momentary hostility. That's actually kind of par of the course when it comes to Shepard and Ashley's relationship, as they are both very hot headed individuals and arguments are bound to happen from time to time.
I'd just rather the game not FORCE a fight on me, regardless of whether I want it or not.
Anymore then I'd imagine the people who are mad about Horizon would want a simple resolution forced on them whether they like it or not.

What I'm saying is ideally there should be one conflict, the end at which can be either forgiveness for past actions or continued hostility depending on the viewpoints of which Shepard. While this would mean that there would be plenty of hostile Shepard's yelling at the VS, I would also still get my preferred solution so it wouldn't bother me.
Everyone wins.

Modifié par V-rex, 09 septembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[Valdrane78]

V-rex wrote...
What I'm saying is ideally there should be one conflict, the end at which can be either forgiveness for past actions or continued hostility depending on the viewpoints of which Shepard. While this would mean that there would be plenty of hostile Shepard's yelling at the VS, I would also still get my preferred solution so it wouldn't bother me.
Everyone wins.

Nail on the head brother, nail on the head............

[Ryzaki]

I want an option to be "YO BRO!" Or "F*** off." depending on my Shep.

[Zakatak757]

I don't want to babysit her. If I have the option of going without her (in hopes of keeping, say, Kasumi/Thane/Legion) I'll take it.

She knows for a fact that the Reapers are a real threat, and she decided to scream inane harbage at me on Horizon, as oppose to contributing to good cause. Like... I dunno... stopping life on Earth from being Harvested.

[ChaplainTappman]

As I said in the last post about this: it bothers me (and thus my Shepards) that the VS doubts Shepard's integrity on Horizon. I can absolutely being shocked at his/her return, upset that Shepard didn't contact them, and skeptical of Shepard's relationship with Cerberus. All of that makes perfect sense. But the only people in the galaxy who don't give Shepard the benefit of the doubt regarding Cerberus are the VS and the clearly unhinged Corporal Toombs. Hell, even the Council assumes Shepard didn't actually join Cerberus, and is just using them to accomplish a mission.

I fully expect a conversation early in the game, to the effect of:

VS: "Hey, sorry I was an ass on Horizon."
Shepard: "It's cool. I get it. Sorry I didn't explain things."
VS: "No problem. It was just, you know. Cerberus."
Shepard: "Man, eff those guys. At least you didn't have to deal with them."

[Willowhugger]

I think Bioware was going for the idea that the VS is so completely gobsmacked by Shepard's return and apparent working for Cerberus that they're honestly just rambling as opposed to actually talking seriously about the situation. They have to be thinking everything from evil clone to robot to brainwashing I'm sure. After all, Shepard would NEVER normally do what she's doing.

It's the only way I can explain how she goes from, "YOU FILTHY TRAITOR" to "Oh, Shepard, how I love you" in e-mail.

Hilariously, I only read that e-mail after I completed my romance with Tali.

[Autodoll]

V-rex wrote...

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I.E Force me to be angry at Ashley with no other options, despite the fact that I am the Commander Shepard who stayed faithful to her despite everything. How does someone go from staring lovingly at the picture of his loved one right before a dangerous final mission, to angrily screaming in her face when he meets her face to face for the first time in a year?
All due to one argument that was, again, over a year ago.
To me it would just be glaringly inconsistant. If he stares at her picture tenderly in his last moment of peace before a final battle, wouldn't that be sufficient enough evidence to suggest that he's forgiven her?

/snip

I understand the options being limited - you can't have every possible choice given if the game is to make sense - but I for one hated being forced to act like a holier-than-thou p---k when asking Mordin about the genophage. What you said makes perfect sense - consistency is what will make the transition more smooth between the games. I would like to see the VS deal with some conflicted thoughts about Shepard's recent actions, especially if the Commander did something like saving the base for TIM, but not be all "Why u no Alliance?! Rage!" or simply "I made a mistake, oopsy!" Something more reminecent of a human reaction would be the ideal. I don't worry too much, though, as I have quite a bit of faith in BioWare's writing staff.

[mineralica]

The thing OP described (minus blowing off batarians) is called Horizon.

One herp derp scene was enough, thanks.

[Abispa]

I am curious how all the VS haters, who seem to think that the VS behavior on Horizon and his/her inability to be a full time crew mate was a personal betrayal, will react when their ME2 favorite character is reduced to part-time status in ME3? Are we going to be subjected to pages and pages of whining about how Thane or Miranda have personally betrayed Shepard by not standing by him/her the whole game and stroking his/her ego?

[MACharlie1]

Abispa wrote...

I am curious how all the VS haters, who seem to think that the VS behavior on Horizon and his/her inability to be a full time crew mate was a personal betrayal, will react when their ME2 favorite character is reduced to part-time status in ME3? Are we going to be subjected to pages and pages of whining about how Thane or Miranda have personally betrayed Shepard by not standing by him/her the whole game and stroking his/her ego?

We already have pages of people saying they won't buy the game if Miranda or their favorite character doesn't get "as much screen time" as in ME2. 

Personally, I think this "devotion" to characters is silly. I will always say if it adds to story, is written well and just in general fits, then it should be done - regardless if the character is a fan-favorite. Lets take Garrus - everybody loves Garrus. As a lovah (I hate this word), as a bro (I hate this term somewhat less) as a calibrator. Whatever. But if ME3 can write a scene where something bad happens to him which (a) well written ( in character © goes with the flow and tone of the overall story then DO IT. Samething with the VS. Many fans will cry if the VS is indoctrinated:

"Oh they've been through enough! etc etc etc."

Well...if it's written well and adds something then why not make them go through hell? Storytelling 101. 

[Iakus]

Badpie wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

The Reapers showing up in the middle of the trial will move everything right along into "forgive and forget" territory.

I think this too.  That would be nice.  Just a -

"Sorry"
"me too."
"Cool?"
"Cool."

- situation.  

Sadly, the situation does demand more.

What I'm hoping fro is the VS gets a front row seat of the trial and hears about all the things Shepard did since being revived.  Later on the Normandy, we get to talk to him/her and learn more about what the last two years were like from the Alliance side. Over the course of the game, I'd like to have the option to come to the understanding that both said and did things they regretted later.  Horizon being one of them.  

Not apologies, exactly,  but an understanding.  After the Horizon confrontation, we need a truly great scene or sequence of scenes to make for it.  To get the bad taste out of our mouths.

[Iakus]

Abispa wrote...

I am curious how all the VS haters, who seem to think that the VS behavior on Horizon and his/her inability to be a full time crew mate was a personal betrayal, will react when their ME2 favorite character is reduced to part-time status in ME3? Are we going to be subjected to pages and pages of whining about how Thane or Miranda have personally betrayed Shepard by not standing by him/her the whole game and stroking his/her ego?

I am not normally petty.  But if such is the case I will drink deeply of the tears.

And it will be delicious 

[AdmiralCheez]

Abispa wrote...

I am curious how all the VS haters, who seem to think that the VS behavior on Horizon and his/her inability to be a full time crew mate was a personal betrayal, will react when their ME2 favorite character is reduced to part-time status in ME3? Are we going to be subjected to pages and pages of whining about how Thane or Miranda have personally betrayed Shepard by not standing by him/her the whole game and stroking his/her ego?

Not just Thane and Miranda, but Bioware and the entire fan community.

BAAW MIRANDA DOESN'T LOVE ME ANYMORE AND ISN'T A SQUADMATE CUZ TALI'S MORE POPULAR STUPID FANSERVICE WORST GAME EVER BIOWARE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT TRUE FANS GOOD THING I KILLED TALI IN ME2 I'M CHEATING ON MIRANDA BECAUSE SHE WAS MEAN TO ME

Personally, not looking forward to it.

[Collider]

Since BSN'S creation, every Bioware game is officially ruined forever in advance.

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

Since BSN'S creation, every Bioware game is officially ruined forever in advance.

It's true for any other game as well, since there's a forum for any game

[MACharlie1]

laecraft wrote...
@MACharlie1: There's nothing silly about emotional attachment to characters during an all-out war. Even Mordin speaks about anthropomorphizing the galaxy. It's individuals who make us care. If the writers wrote a character in such a way that you don't care if he's indoctrinated, then the writers failed.

Maybe I worded myself incorrectly - because you are absolutely correct. What I mean is, I think it's silly when fans become so protective of a character to the point where the character is essentially only theirs and if something doesn't go exactly the way they want it then it's automatically bad writing and the game is ruined forever. 

[Abispa]

Collider wrote...

Since BSN'S creation, every Bioware game is officially ruined forever in advance.

Can you imagine if there were Pacman forums back in the day?

WHAT!? What the hell is this retcon crap in 'Ms. Pac-Man!?' Since when do ghosts have gender? And why the introduction of heterosexuality when it was apparent in the first game that Pac-Man was ASEXUAL? Why is the fruit moving?

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Since BSN'S creation, every Bioware game is officially ruined forever in advance.

Psh. This went on in the old forums to. ...Just not quite as annoyingly.