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[pfhorlorn]

Malanek999 wrote...

You mention the Shawshank Redemption (great emotional movie) and I hated the prison administrator although apparently not enough to know/remember his name. He deserved everything he got IMO.

The warden? I think Norton was his surname. I know Bob Gunton played him.

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[Malanek]

I think it would be genuinely interesting for someone to run a survey that measured whether you thought the Batarians were despicable or not and what country you come from.

[mango smoothie]

Malanek999 wrote...

I think it would be genuinely interesting for someone to run a survey that measured whether you thought the Batarians were despicable or not and what country you come from.

I would love to see the results from that poll.

[Gabey5]

i made a thread bout it a few weeks back the general thing was that
1. all the batarians we meet are thugs/slavers/mercs
2. Killing Shepards family
3.Slavery
4. no squaddie of this race

[pfhorlorn]

Malanek999 wrote...

I think it would be genuinely interesting for someone to run a survey that measured whether you thought the Batarians were despicable or not and what country you come from.

It's better to just address this in the thread, anyway. A poll is often limited to false definite choices, whereas people are beings of complex emotion and often turn toward ambivalence.

[KotorEffect3]

Malanek999 wrote...

I think it would be genuinely interesting for someone to run a survey that measured whether you thought the Batarians were despicable or not and what country you come from.

And then people would start bashing each other's countries.  When you drag real world politics into any forum on the internet bad things will happen.

[Zakatak757]

How do we not have userbars for Batarian sympathizers/haters? We have one for practically everything else!

[KotorEffect3]

Zakatak757 wrote...

How do we not have userbars for Batarian sympathizers/haters? We have one for practically everything else!

Because you would be very hard pressed to find someone that actualy sympathizes with them.  For the most part it is just varying degrees of hate.  I am a paragon player and I still hate them, with that being said I want one on the squad.

[KotorEffect3]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I really don't have a view of them as a race; nor of asari as a race, nor of Africans as a race, nor of...

Not trying to sound rude or anything, but I think it's a bad idea to stereotype so easily.

I agree but most of us do it on a subconcious level and in the context of the game each species is written in a way where you are going to stereotype them even if you don't want to.

[Weiser_Cain]

didymos1120 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

They Own Slaves

Yeah, and a lot of (if not most of) those slaves are....other batarians.

Like that makes it better?

[didymos1120]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

They Own Slaves

Yeah, and a lot of (if not most of) those slaves are....other batarians.

Like that makes it better?

Yeah, that was totally my point.

[Porenferser]

I don't get it either.
In fact, they are my second-favorite species (after the Geth).
I think one answer may be:
They are the most human-like species.
Maybe we don't want to see that, but the Batarians deffinetely are, out of all the other species, most similar to us.
And humans have always hated each other^^

[KotorEffect3]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I really don't have a view of them as a race; nor of asari as a race, nor of Africans as a race, nor of...

Not trying to sound rude or anything, but I think it's a bad idea to stereotype so easily.

I agree but most of us do it on a subconcious level and in the context of the game each species is written in a way where you are going to stereotype them even if you don't want to.

Oh, I agree. I think what makes it so bad about the Batarians is that they don't, A. give you a Batarian squadmate and B. allow you to converse with very many non-criminals. I actually wonder if ME3 will let you see them as "people," as it were, and not as the bad guys.
Gosh, that last sentence sounded awfully Renegade. *slaps self*

Yeah I am definitly in the camp that wants a Batarian squadmate,  I think it would be the most interesting to see what some of the dialog would be between a colonist/ruthless Shepard and a Batarian.  There would be alot of bad blood that would have to be worked through on both sides.

[khordlambert]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

I know it doesn't have any relevance to his actual personality, I pointed that out. Anyway, he's acting like a child, so stop it! and before you call on me, he started it!

Acting like a child or acting like his age... you will never know.

Yet again. This forum is filled with adult or almoast adult people who act like kids and think they are big intelectuals because the shooter they are playing has a story.

People who are above big tited figures yet are ready to buy a medicore collector edition with some irrelevant downloadable content.

People who think that any kind of humor in Mass Effect 3 would be immersion breaking because Reapers are coming.

People who pretend to be tolerant and educated but still spend hours upon hours whining about the main character possibly being a blonde...

BioWare community.

This guy...I like this guy!

[Juha81FIN]

It is so easy to hate batarians because they have been designed hostile towards humans, we have never seen batarians who go on with their everyday life (or salarian family in same way). If Mass Effect series was set up in krogan rebellions it would be equally easy to hate krogans aswell. Conversation with Balak at the end of BDtS gave me impression that batarians are suffering from war and they are loosing it and furthermore I had the idea that there is sort of territorial competition between humans and batarians.

[lovgreno]

marshalleck wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Batarians are very much like humans.

Except they really aren't. You're just looking for validation and confirmation of your anti-human angst.

Wow, that is a impressive generalisation. I could make a guess on why you try to draw such a conclusion from that short sentence but I don't need to use speculations about the personality of someone I never
met to have a discussion on the net. In fact I think it's counterproductive if you want to learn something new.

And yes, they are, read the papers and history books to see for yourself. I didn't say that this means that humans are bad in general. You put those words in my mouth for some reason. In fact I am certain that humans are in general strong and nice. Just because I don't want to be blind for the flaws of something doesn't mean I have to hate it.

Humans have mostly seen the bad side of the batarians and vice versa. Politicians on both sides uses this to their own advantage. Batarians and humans who needs a exuse to look down on someone else to get a false sense of self esteem are very happy to swallow that bait and  follow like sheeps.  Simple explanations are comfortable. Once again real life news and history books are full of examples of this.

Modifié par lovgreno, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:12 .

[GodWood]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...
They Own Slaves

Yeah, and a lot of (if not most of) those slaves are....other batarians.

Like that makes it better?

There are more RL slaves today than at any point in human history.

[Symji]

When you're on Omega you can hear a newscast about the Batarian Hegenomy being refused by the Citadel Council to hear their arguments for taking slaves of other races as it's "An inextricable part of their caste system." Seeing how slavery in and of itself is intolerable to decent people (took us way too long to see that), add on top of that them attacking the colonies of virtually every race out there for slaves, (an outright act of war which should have gotten them annihilated long before humans ever showed up), and it's no wonder the Batarians are the object or pretty much everyone's ire.

Modifié par Symji, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:28 .

[Aeowyn]

Honestly, I refuse to believe that all batarians are cannon fodder. Their society might not be run the way most of us approve of, but that doesn't mean that they're all super evil.
An unlike some other people here, I actually felt awful after Arrival and was pissed off that Shepard didn't show more emotion regarding the whole thing.

[OmegaXI]

The better question is what is there not to hate about batarians?

They kill my colonist Sheps "Ma and Pa" and this left an impression on him, then he got some pay back againist slavers on Torfon, but he felt sad at the lable of butcher of turfon, he wanted to be known as the butcher of batarians.
And after the events of arrival my shep will be the stuff of batarians nightmares."go to bed or shepard will get you"
I just don't like them and I am content with that. In Mass Effect3 they will be at best cannon fodder for fighting the reapers and at worst nothing but husks.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Good thread, OP.

I think the first and foremost reason for Batarian hate is that Bioware never intended to make the race attractive, appealing for the players; thus the visual species design, thus the Alliance -- Hegemony opposition, etc. It's very easy for the player to choose one of the many reasons to distrust or dislike Batarians.

It is an one-dimensional race so far (despite several attempts to show not-so-bad civil/non-terrorist Batarians here and there), and I do not like it because I feel that it doesn't quite belong to the overall shades-of-gray ME universe. Exploring the race has lots of potential in my eyes. If there is a group of Batarians in opposition to the Hegemony, would you assist the revolution? Would a new government be really better for civil Batarians and more willing to cooperate with other races? Etc., etc. I'm actually not against an option to doom the race or feed it to the Reapers or whatever -- just give me an option to explore the race and see the better side of it, and we're all set and everyone's happy.

A squadmate may also make players change their minds and soften up. See: Legion and the geth. Besides, as noted by KotorEffect3, it would be extremely interesting to see colonist/ruthless Shepard + Batarian squaddie dialogues!

But Bioware has bigger things and conflicts to solve in ME3 so I'm preparing myself for the worst in this regard... I would be hoping for Bioware to surprise me until the very end of ME3, though.

At least the Leviathan of Dis should be mentioned in ME3.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:53 .

[Leonia]

A lot of conflicts in the game (especially ones referenced by NPCs) involve batarians raiders and slavers. I didn't really have a problem with them as a species until I stopped playing Earthborn.. all the other Shepard backgrounds inovlve batarians being scumbags, basically.

You can't judge an entire species based on the actions of a few, however, but given that the batarians have gone out of their way to harass nearly every council race (and non-council races as well), they haven't been making friends any where. The books, the novels, CDN entries.. everything is designed to make the batarians look completely "evil" and unwanted by the rest of the galactic community. Whether that is true or not, we don't know, all we have is a lot of heavily biased material that makes them out to be just as bad as the Reapers.

That said, I certainly lost count of times that NPCs would say "I lost so and so during a batarian raid" or "We were patrolling the area when batarians ambushed us" or similar, even Garrus mentions it when talking about his experience in the turian military. And for many Shepards, it's personal given the Colonist/Ruthless/War-Hero backgrounds. I think even Spacers have a mention of batarians with their personal background quest in ME1. Earthborns and Sole-Survivors are about the only ones that haven't had a bad run-in with the batarians at some point in their past.

Again, you can't judge all batarians based on all this and there is an element of "Even if they seem bad, is it worth destroyng 300,000 innocent lives over?" in Arrival, which I think is an interesting twist on general perceptions of the batarian people. I reckon we're in for some surprises regarding their species in ME3.

Modifié par leonia42, 09 septembre 2011 - 08:46 .