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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

Good thread, OP.

I think the first and foremost reason for Batarian hate is that Bioware never intended to make the race attractive, appealing for the players; thus the visual species design, thus the Alliance -- Hegemony opposition, etc. It's very easy for the player to choose one of the many reasons to distrust or dislike Batarians.

It is an one-dimensional race so far (despite several attempts to show not-so-bad civil/non-terrorist Batarians here and there), and I do not like it because I feel that it doesn't quite belong to the overall shades-of-gray ME universe. Exploring the race has lots of potential in my eyes. If there is a group of Batarians in opposition to the Hegemony, would you assist the revolution? Would a new government be really better for civil Batarians and more willing to cooperate with other races? Etc., etc. I'm actually not against an option to doom the race or feed it to the Reapers or whatever -- just give me an option to explore the race and see the better side of it, and we're all set and everyone's happy.

A squadmate may also make players change their minds and soften up. See: Legion and the geth. Besides, as noted by KotorEffect3, it would be extremely interesting to see colonist/ruthless Shepard + Batarian squaddie dialogues!

But Bioware has bigger things and conflicts to solve in ME3 so I'm preparing myself for the worst in this regard... I would be hoping for Bioware to surprise me until the very end of ME3, though.

At least the Leviathan of Dis should be mentioned in ME3.

If there is a Batarian Squadmate I hope their recruitment is akin to Zevran introduction in DAO and to some extent Grunt and Legion in ME2

In that if people want, they get to kill them (or choose to not 'birth'/'activate' them in case of Grunt and Legion) before actually having any conversation with them

That I could handle because as has been pointed out, there are plenty of reasons for people having 'their shepard' hate Batarians. I've got several that do, mostly for obvious reasons, but I've also got some that wouldn't see them ALL as the big bad evil, because we got bigger bugs to fry. Me personally, I don't 'hate' them, that is just silly to 'hate' a pixellated non real creation as if it were real.

[Aeowyn]

leonia42 wrote...

A lot of conflicts in the game (especially ones referenced by NPCs) involve batarians raiders and slavers. I didn't really have a problem with them as a species until I stopped playing Earthborn.. all the other Shepard backgrounds inovlve batarians being scumbags, basically.

You can't judge an entire species based on the actions of a few, however, but given that the batarians have gone out of their way to harass nearly every council race (and non-council races as well), they haven't been making friends any where. The books, the novels, CDN entries.. everything is designed to make the batarians look completely "evil" and unwanted by the rest of the galactic community. Whether that is true or not, we don't know, all we have is a lot of heavily biased material that makes them out to be just as bad as the Reapers.

That said, I certainly lost count of times that NPCs would say "I lost so and so during a batarian raid" or "We were patrolling the area when batarians ambushed us" or similar, even Garrus mentions it when talking about his experience in the turian military. And for many Shepards, it's personal given the Colonist/Ruthless/War-Hero backgrounds. I think even Spacers have a mention of batarians with their personal background quest in ME1. Earthborns and Sole-Survivors are about the only ones that haven't had a bad run-in with the batarians at some point in their past.

Again, you can't judge all batarians based on all this and there is an element of "Even if they seem bad, is it worth destroyng 300,000 innocent lives over?" in Arrival, which I think is an interesting twist on general perceptions of the batarian people. I reckon we're in for some surprises regarding their species in ME3.

Well said. And considering only a small percentage of batarians leave Batarian space, I agree that you can't judge all batarians on the actions of a few.

[Han Shot First]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

1. They are terrorists

2. They support slavery

3. They burned my home to the ground.

4. How can you NOT hate something that looks like evil turd with 4 eyes and fangs?

1. Not all of them are.

2. Again, Not all of them and The Asari support Slavery as well.

3. That was one group of Batarians.

4. They're sexy, and I have a picture to prove it.

Now look what you've done...

[Wulfram]

I've never trusted Batarians, and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my family

Hopefully that log entry won't come up at Shepards trial.

[Leonia]

There are a few examples of not-so-evil batarians in the game and there is that poor female batarian that Saren kills in Revelation (well, she was dieing anyway but he was still rather ruthless in handling her). But as a whole, most civilised species can't accept the rigid caste system that the Hegemony imposes on its people. Outside of batarian space, I'm sure you could find some decent sorts, maybe not the friendliest people in the galaxy but still relatively normal. If they were free of the restrictions imposed by their government and society, they have the potential to be just as normal as any other species out there.

Modifié par leonia42, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:20 .

[Angmir]

The hate for Battarians is a prove how easly can a media manipulate once emotions and beliefs. They wanted to create a race that would be hated and despised - here you are - 80% players enjoy blowing 300 000 batarians off no mather how paragon they are.

Keep that in mind if you ever say you hate certain Nation Race Political fraction or Person

[CaptainZaysh]

I question the premise. Does anybody really hate batarians in general? I think the OP might be seeing what she wants to see in her ideological enemies.

[jamesp81]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I question the premise. Does anybody really hate batarians in general? I think the OP might be seeing what she wants to see in her ideological enemies.

This.

I will say, however, that since almost every batarian the player encounters 1) hates humans and 2) engages in criminal activity professionally, it does nothing to endear them to the player.  There are some good and neutral batarians too.  One example of a good one is the merchant in the omega markets.  I consider the blue suns batarian mercs to be neutral.  They aren't necessarily good or bad, it's just that my goals and theirs came into conflict to their detriment a couple of times.  Nothing personal, just business.

Modifié par jamesp81, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:23 .

[LTiberious]

 2 eyes - human. 4 eyes - batarian. Shoot the 4 eyed ones.

All i need to know

[Lord Jaric]

Wulfram wrote...

I've never trusted Batarians, and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my family

Hopefully that log entry won't come up at Shepards trial.

You know what's funny, it was never said that it was Batarian slavers that killed colonist shepard's family.

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:12 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I think one reason why we gamers don't like the batarians is because they remind us of the dark side of humanity with slavery, caste system, religious intolerance, terrorism, greed, cruelty, and torture.  

[Wulfram]

Lord Jaric wrote...

You know what's funny, it was never said that it was Batarian slavers that killed colonist shepard's family.

Timeline in the codex says

2170 - Batarian slavers attack the Alliance colony of Mindoir

[pfhorlorn]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I question the premise. Does anybody really hate batarians in general? I think the OP might be seeing what she wants to see in her ideological enemies.

It's hard to think people don't hate batarians when I see loads of posts calling people "batarian sympathizers" and others talking about how brutally they'd murder batarians. People can dislike batarians, sure, but what I've seen is just to such an extreme that I felt like making a thread.

[CaptainZaysh]

koopaonfire wrote...

It's hard to think people don't hate batarians when I see loads of posts calling people "batarian sympathizers" and others talking about how brutally they'd murder batarians. People can dislike batarians, sure, but what I've seen is just to such an extreme that I felt like making a thread.

Hm!  Well, if you're right, it's obviously a foolish generalisation.  I personally don't automatically dislike individual batarians (I thought the ones I met on Archangel's loyalty mission were quite funny and charming), but I do look down on what we know of their totalitarian and tyrannical culture.

[pfhorlorn]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Hm!  Well, if you're right, it's obviously a foolish generalisation.  I personally don't automatically dislike individual batarians (I thought the ones I met on Archangel's loyalty mission were quite funny and charming), but I do look down on what we know of their totalitarian and tyrannical culture.

Fair enough.

[Myaku1313]

I just hate batarians because their multiple eyes remind me of a spider for some reason. And the way their eyes are set up. Nasty creatures.

[Bad King]

Bluko wrote...

Uh I'm pretty sure Batarians were created in the same mindset as Orcs were in the LOTR. You're not suppose to like them. You're suppose to hate/dislike them if anything. We love to hate bad guys and villains, what's the big deal? That's how most fictional stories work. There are characters you like and indentify with and there are characters you don't like and would probably like to see get punched in the face. (Like Udina, etc.)

Honestly someone's going to have to explain to me why I should like Batarians.

Orcs? Really? They're far more akin to Tolkien's Dunlendings IMO.

lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dunlendings

Modifié par Bad King, 09 septembre 2011 - 02:50 .

[Arkitekt]

So you still don't understand why people dislike batarians?

[BatmanPWNS]

Batarians rule. I would like to learn more about them. *Here's hoping for Batarian squadmate*

[Kyria Nyriese]

While I don't 'hate' the Batarians, I don't like them either. I figure I should judge them on an individual basis, because on the whole, everything I've seen points toward them not being a great group of people. However, I also hated that you were forced to kill 300,000+ of them in Arrival. Not that I would have been happy about killing that many of any species. No matter my personal feelings about the Batarians, no organic sentient species deserves to be wiped out unilaterally.

Can't 100% say the Reapers deserve to be wiped out unilaterally. However, I will give that one as a survival thing and it's either we die or they die, and I vote for them.

[sponge56]

People hate batarians because of the play with real life events. Like Iran and N Korea, Batarians are insular, have preety rotten governemnts and also take part in underhand and deniable attacks against the alliance/the west. Bioware is just playing on this dislike, fear and hatred AND making them really ugly to boot. But like their real life counterparts, we never really hear or see anything from the Batarin people and the public, meaning that the average Batarian citizen is just a normal person.

[Si-Shen]

I actually found there were a LOT of similarities between the Batarians and humans, you tend to see a number of our more negative traits in them, traits many people like to pretend we don't have. In a twisted way, hating them means you hate a part of yourself.

[darthnick427]

GODDAMN TERRORISTS!!!!! Haha just kidding. The Batarians just annoy me for their terrorist actions and racism towards humanity in general. If I meet a Batarian that doesn't hate me and has a cool personality I'll welcome him on the Normandy with open arms. I don't hate his race just their personality towards me. I'd hate the Turians if they acted the same.

[Big I]

Wulfram wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...

You know what's funny, it was never said that it was Batarian slavers that killed colonist shepard's family.

Timeline in the codex says

2170 - Batarian slavers attack the Alliance colony of Mindoir

In ME1 the Colonist background quest is "I Remember Me" and has you try and talk down a fellow Mindoir survivor from suicide/violence. One of the renegade/intimidate options has Shepard mention that their whole family was wiped out by shelling during the raid because they fought back.


As for the batarians, I don't hate them. I have a lot of problems with the Hegemony and it's support of slavery and piracy, but given the seemingly tyrannical bent of batarian government I imagine most batarians are suffering from oppression at the hands of their government.