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[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

Hipocrite, I know, but what can you do.

Stop being a hypocrite?

[CroGamer002]

didymos1120 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Literally every batarian you meet in the game is a jerk to some degree.

What's wrong with Marsh, the batarian merchant?  The fact that he's slightly reluctant to offer a discount (but does so anyway)?  Salkie wasn't particularly a jerk either (not exactly an upstanding citizen, sure, but he wasn't a ******).

Also that Batarian on Mordin recruitment mission apologizes for being a jerk, but reason why he was is because he though humans created plague since only they and Vorcha weren't dieing from it.

And who would blame Vorcha for creating some plague? Come on.

[Chuvvy]

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Hipocrite, I know, but what can you do.

Stop being a hypocrite?

That is a bold strategy my friend.

[ThePwener]

Slidell505 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Hipocrite, I know, but what can you do.

Stop being a hypocrite?

That is a bold strategy my friend.

Well the statement I made also contradicts my Existential Nihilistic beliefs, so it makes me an even bigger hipocrite. It's part of my personality, can't help it.

[lovgreno]

Mesina2 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Literally every batarian you meet in the game is a jerk to some degree.

What's wrong with Marsh, the batarian merchant?  The fact that he's slightly reluctant to offer a discount (but does so anyway)?  Salkie wasn't particularly a jerk either (not exactly an upstanding citizen, sure, but he wasn't a ******).

Also that Batarian on Mordin recruitment mission apologizes for being a jerk, but reason why he was is because he though humans created plague since only they and Vorcha weren't dieing from it.

And who would blame Vorcha for creating some plague? Come on.

And sgt Cathka seemed like a reasonable and polite guy too. Sure he was working with the Blue suns who are a questionable bunch (and by the way none of the two psychopats who created the Blue Suns are batarians) in many ways but does that automaticaly make him a bad guy?

[ThePwener]

lovgreno wrote...

And sgt Cathka seemed like a reasonable and polite guy too.

So will the Antichrist, and everyone knows what the bible says he'll do. Lie to everyone and cause the most terrible world war humanity has seen.

Being polite and acting reasonable does not dictate your morals, or makes you a good person.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

The Batarians by and large are asses, not evil. There's a difference. Especially since any **** can be nice even half the time, like Cathka or Marsh. Yeah, some Batarians are evil, but not all of them. They just don't trust humans, like the sick guy on Omega, or the guys who were going to kill Mordin's student. You show them mercy and they change their tune real fast, because they didn't even know humans were capable of being good people.

Just like many people in this thread are jaded that Batarians aren't potentially good people either.

[ThePwener]

Oh yes, because apperantly, exclusive slavery on your species isn't enough to hate someone.

No, they're slavers with the heart of gold, we just have to open up to them. Unbelivable....

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

Oh yes, because apperantly, exclusive slavery on your species isn't enough to hate someone.
.

No, it's only enough to hate the slavers.  Who aren't the entire species.

[filetemo]

we hate batarians because they were designed to be the bad, treacherous, ugly, human-hating bad antagonists.

They were designed to be hated, like they hate us humans

[Dunmer of Redoran]

ThePwener wrote...

Oh yes, because apperantly, exclusive slavery on your species isn't enough to hate someone.

No, they're slavers with the heart of gold, we just have to open up to them. Unbelivable....

Boo hoo, slavery. It's not like that wasn't practiced worldwide on Earth in the past couple of centuries. Doesn't mean that everyone was evil just because of slaves. Same goes for the batarians.

We don't know much about how the slavery system in batarian space works. Judging them on that when we've got much more serious issues in the galaxy (ah yes, REAPERS) is just petty.

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Oh yes, because apperantly, exclusive slavery on your species isn't enough to hate someone.
.

No, it's only enough to hate the slavers.  Who aren't the entire species.

I hate who I wanna hate. I don't see the "good" Batarians going against they're goverment or asking other races for help in a revolution, considering they're the real victims in all of this.

/sarcasm

[ThePwener]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Boo hoo, slavery. It's not like that wasn't practiced worldwide on Earth in the past couple of centuries. Doesn't mean that everyone was evil just because of slaves. Same goes for the batarians.

We don't know much about how the slavery system in batarian space works. Judging them on that when we've got much more serious issues in the galaxy (ah yes, REAPERS) is just petty.

So because we practiced it out of ignorance it gives another species the right to do it on us? Have you read the planet descriptions on Batarian controlled planets? They torture they're slaves to the point of breaking them, they literally hate humans and show it.

Defending slavery and those who perform it. The Batarians are fictional but it shows the level of ignorance you possess.

Modifié par ThePwener, 11 septembre 2011 - 11:51 .

[CroGamer002]

filetemo wrote...

we hate batarians because they were designed to be the bad, treacherous, ugly, human-hating bad antagonists.

They were designed to be hated, like they hate us humans

Then why is pro-human terrorist organization one of main antagonists in ME3?


Bioware could have used Batarians instead, if they were really designed to be bad, treache... wait, treacherous?!

When the hell any Batarian was treacherous?!

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 septembre 2011 - 11:52 .

[Leonia]

Fictional racism isn't any better than real racism.

[CroGamer002]

leonia42 wrote...

Fictional racism isn't any better than real racism.

QFT!

[ThePwener]

Mesina2 wrote...

When the hell any Batarian was treacherous?!

Here, have drink, it's not poisoned or anything 

[CroGamer002]

^And that's treacherous?

[Chewin]

Mesina2 wrote...
When the hell any Batarian was treacherous?!

People tend to think that every evil ugly looking person is a threacherous scumbag.

Modifié par Chewin3, 11 septembre 2011 - 12:01 .

[didymos1120]

Mesina2 wrote...

^And that's treacherous?

Actually, yeah.  Gotta give him that one.  It is a betrayal of trust: bartenders aren't supposed to attempt murder.

[Leonia]

But to suggest ALL batarians are treacherous based on that single action would just be silly.

[filetemo]

the batarians are an antagonist race created to fill the role of baddies for a DLC of ME1. They hate us, so we hate them. That's what they are in ME for

[didymos1120]

leonia42 wrote...

But to suggest ALL batarians are treacherous based on that single action would just be silly.

Well, yes, of course.  Otherwise, we'd have to say all humans are hypocrites just because Pwener has self-declared as one.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

ThePwener wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Boo hoo, slavery. It's not like that wasn't practiced worldwide on Earth in the past couple of centuries. Doesn't mean that everyone was evil just because of slaves. Same goes for the batarians.

We don't know much about how the slavery system in batarian space works. Judging them on that when we've got much more serious issues in the galaxy (ah yes, REAPERS) is just petty.

So because we practiced it out of ignorance it gives another species the right to do it on us? Have you read the planet descriptions on Batarian controlled planets? They torture they're slaves to the point of breaking them, they literally hate humans and show it.

Defending slavery and those who perform it. The Batarians are fictional but it shows the level of ignorance you possess.

Sure it does, if we're not doing anything to stop it. And it gives us every right to fight back, but humans are at fault for starting the whole thing by colonizing batarian space and kicking them out of territory they possessed. The batarians legally asked for it to stop and the council said "No way, you guys are evil" and all it did was harden their hearts and make them feel convinced that everyone's out to get them. Thus they started a petit-guerre against humanity, certain that it was the only way they had to defend themselves from our encroachment and military might. If we fight back, great, but if we don't, let's not get on a soapbox and start hating them as a race because they have a culture that does something that we find distasteful.

You have to look at this from the batarians' perspective. Everyone hates them and everyone mistreats them because out of their whole existence, they've had a few idiots who cross the line. Slavery as an instutition has been practiced by them for thousands of years. They'll have to work it out of their system, and you'll have to accomodate them for it until they do, because their cultural values are different from ours and they don't believe that slavery is morally wrong (as far as we know). Our views might be incompatible and war might eventually be the only option, but are the batarians really quite so bad for doing something that we too were doing until quite recently?

Modifié par DaftArbiter, 11 septembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[zsom]

The problem it that you make an assumption without any sort of proof or example. You project your own moral values on the entire batarian culture because you want them to be morally on the same level as you.

There is absolutely no indication that slavery and the hatred towards other species does not constitute an integral part of batarian culture. Heck they even say it themselves that slavery is part of their identity, and that the counsel should allow it.

So what proof do you have of those "normal" batarians, who just want to get on with their lives according to our moral standards? Because we can't see a single one in the game, that's for sure.

Humanity has lived for thousands of years with slavery as part of the daily routine. There were perfectly honest, intelligent people living in ancient Rome or Greece who loved their families, detested war, murder and cruelty, liked poetry, aaaand occasionally whipped their disobedient slaves, raped them if they were attractive, and sold them if they needed money. They weren't evil, they were just living according to their own moral standards.

The batarian society was completely shielded from the influences which shaped our race, and our morality. To state that there has to be some, who think and act like us, is wishful thinking, at least until we actually see these decent batarians actively opposing those rules of their society which are unacceptable by our terms.