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[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

Well aren't you the philosophical saint. Im sorry, I really am, but those Batarians may have been reluctant, but they still went along with it like it was nothing, no qualms about it either. They just brushed it off like they were killing moths.

Way to miss the entire point, which wasn't that those batarians were nice guys, or good guys, but that your notion of "a planet full of a race who casually obliterates other planets full of millions of humans" doesn't hold up to even mild scrutiny. 

[filetemo]

didymos1120 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

By killing batarians you have the moral escape to think they were mostly slavers if you want.

No, you don't.  Only 90,000 of those batarians were free citizens.  Also, no population that size could support a "slavers-only" economy.  You're only free to think that if, well, you don't bother to think at all.

they were all ugly anyways. Another design cue to make them expendable:D
ugly
slavers
human-haters

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

We needed them in ME2 to help the colonies, and all we got was air quotes.

Colonies that weren't in Council-space and weren't goverened by the Alliance. 

It doesn't matter who they belonged to. I didn't know there was such a thing as planetside deeds.

[Leonia]

It's like saying Alderaan deserved to be blown up by the Death Star.

[Chuvvy]

Not a huge fan of slavery. Sulkie is a pretty cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything though.

[ThePwener]

filetemo wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

By killing batarians you have the moral escape to think they were mostly slavers if you want.

No, you don't.  Only 90,000 of those batarians were free citizens.  Also, no population that size could support a "slavers-only" economy.  You're only free to think that if, well, you don't bother to think at all.

they were all ugly anyways. Another design cue to make them expendable:D
ugly
slavers
human-haters

Exactly, for all we know, those 90,000 also hated humans, just like every other Batarian we've seen so far.

[ThePwener]

leonia42 wrote...

It's like saying Alderaan deserved to be blown up by the Death Star.

Great logic Mother Theresa.

[Leonia]

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

We needed them in ME2 to help the colonies, and all we got was air quotes.

Colonies that weren't in Council-space and weren't goverened by the Alliance. 

NOBODY helped you with those colonies beyond Cerberus, not even the Alliance. In Terminus space, there is no over-arching government for colonists to look towards for help. How the hell were the batarians supposed to be relied on in such a situation? For one, they're BANNED from the Citadel so even if they did have an obligation there's no way they'd be interested in helping any Council species.

[Leonia]

ThePwener wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's like saying Alderaan deserved to be blown up by the Death Star.

Great logic Mother Theresa.

It hurts when your own logic is used against you, doesn't it?

[CroGamer002]

filetemo wrote...

Bioware WANTS for you to care you committed genocide to a certain point, that's why they chose batarians, so you feel bad but not excessively.

That makes no sense.

If I was was forced to kill 300000 living beings, I'd rather choose 300000 rapists than 300000 innocent woman and children.

Oh yeah, because Batarians DON'T have inocent woman and children.

Oh no, they are all slaver douchebags.

By killing batarians you have the moral escape to think they were mostly slavers if you want.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!

Most of population on that planet were slaves!
Out of 300k people, only 90k are free.
And in what insane world there would be more slavers then slaves?!

Also that's not a moral escape!
Reapers are moral escape. Those Batarians were dead either way.
Shepard just had to push the button to kill them quicker, painless, not become Reaper abomination to harm others and save trillions of lives in the galaxy. At least to buy some time to prepare defenses against Reapers.

Besides, what's with this "people shouldn't use their own moral values? which ones do you want us to use? the races of ME are designed around our moral values, especially the batarians and the whole slavery thing because it's accepted as universally bad.

Hate the government, not the people.

I mean, do you hate Kim Jong-il for his regime or every single North Korean?

Moral relativism is a double edged blade.
"let's accept baby-eating children's Krogan into our human society because it's their tradition and it's fine to them, who are you to judge?"

Oh yeah, cause if we let Batarian to leave in human society, he'll be already enslaving people and/or blowing up out buildings.

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 septembre 2011 - 12:43 .

[CroGamer002]

filetemo wrote...

they were all ugly anyways. Another design cue to make them expendable:D
ugly
slavers
human-haters

Where's Turian hate on BSN then?

[Leonia]

Mesina2 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

they were all ugly anyways. Another design cue to make them expendable:D
ugly
slavers
human-haters

Where's Turian hate on BSN then?

Hiding, from me.

But there's an alliance between the Hierarchy and the Alliance currently (well, if there's not a human council anyway).

[BatmanPWNS]

ThePwener wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

So your going to kill innocent Batarians over some other Batarians cruelty? That's like saying just because a few people in a nation did something evil they all deserve to die.

It's called pragmatism. And I wouldn't do it if the Reapers weren't coming, but too bad for those slaves (which were ****ed either way considering they're slaves) space cthulus were indeed on they're merry way to eradicate all lif on the galaxy.

You forget that us human used to have slavery everywhere as well and it stills hasn't ended today. You gonna hate on Earth next and try to kill us.

Edit: But yes I agree they would be dead anyway if the Reapers came so they had to be risked.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 11 septembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

We needed them in ME2 to help the colonies, and all we got was air quotes.

Colonies that weren't in Council-space and weren't goverened by the Alliance. 

It doesn't matter who they belonged to. I didn't know there was such a thing as planetside deeds.

Yes, let's just ignore any inconvenient fact if acknowledging it would require acknowledging that we're wrong.  And "deeds"?  Non sequitur.  I'm talking about political realities: the Terminus is NOT Council Space.  They aren't wanted there.  Going there would cause problems.  Like "interstellar war" problems. And before you bring up the "But...REAPERS!" objection: do you think everyone being in the midst of an interstellar war when the Reapers showed up would somehow be helpful?

[ThePwener]

Mesina2 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

Bioware WANTS for you to care you committed genocide to a certain point, that's why they chose batarians, so you feel bad but not excessively.

That makes no sense.

If I was was forced to kill 300000 living beings, I'd rather choose 300000 rapists than 300000 innocent woman and children.

Oh yeah, because Batarians DON'T have inocent woman and children.

Oh no, they are all slaver douchebags.

By killing batarians you have the moral escape to think they were mostly slavers if you want.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!

Most of population on that planet were slaves!
Out of 300k people, only 90k are free.
And in what insane world there would be more slavers then slaves?!

Also that's not a moral escape!
Reapers are moral escape. Those Batarians were dead either way.
Shepard just had to push the button to kill them quicker, painless, not become Reaper abomination to harm others and save trillions of lives in the galaxy. At least to buy some time to prepare defenses against Reapers.

Besides, what's with this "people shouldn't use their own moral values? which ones do you want us to use? the races of ME are designed around our moral values, especially the batarians and the whole slavery thing because it's accepted as universally bad.

Hate the government, not the people.

I mean, do you hate Kim Jong-il for his regime or every single North Korean?

Moral relativism is a double edged blade.
"let's accept baby-eating children's Krogan into our human society because it's their tradition and it's fine to them, who are you to judge?"

Oh yeah, cause if we let Batarian to leave in human society, he'll be already enslaving people and/or blowing up out buildings.

You make plenty of good points, but point is, Batarians are plain bad. Have you thought that the reason we haven't seen a single "nice" Batarian is because there isn't any?

North Koreans live there because they want to. The could live, or rebel, but they don't. All the ones who wanted to be "good" Koreans went to the "good" Korea.

Modifié par ThePwener, 11 septembre 2011 - 12:49 .

[filetemo]

Mesina2 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

they were all ugly anyways. Another design cue to make them expendable:D
ugly
slavers
human-haters

Where's Turian hate on BSN then?

Turians prove honorable as a race. Also, Garrus

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

Exactly, for all we know, those 90,000 also hated humans, just like every other Batarian we've seen so far.

For all you know, they didn't.  And not every batarian we've seen hated humans. 

[ThePwener]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

You forget that us human used to have slavery everywhere as well and it stills hasn't ended today. You gonna hate on Earth next and try to kill us. 

So because we did it, that means they can do it to us? What kind of ****ed up logic is that?

People kill, so if aliens are real they should kill us all too. Same thing right?

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

For all you know, they didn't.  And not every batarian we've seen hated humans. 

The only ones who have't are the ones who are either too busy or don't care. What I want to see is a Batarian who acknowledges that they are on the wrong path and wants they're ways to change. Until we do, I'll keep pushing that damn button with a smile on my face.

[CroGamer002]

filetemo wrote...

Turians prove honorable as a race. Also, Garrus

Balak honored his part of the deal that if you let him go he won't blow up the hostages and give you chance to save them.

And those Batarians on Mordin recruitment don't shoot you once you let them go.



So yeah, Batarians can be honorable as well.

[ThePwener]

Mesina2 wrote...

And those Batarians on Mordin recruitment don't shoot you once you let them go.

So horable that the second Shepard questions they're honor they go "OMG shoot!".

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

You forget that us human used to have slavery everywhere as well and it stills hasn't ended today. You gonna hate on Earth next and try to kill us. 

So because we did it, that means they can do it to us? What kind of ****ed up logic is that?

People kill, so if aliens are real they should kill us all too. Same thing right?

It's your own ****ed up logic, that's what kind it is.  What BatmanPWNS is actually saying is that you're a hypocrite, which you ought to have no problem with considering you yourself said you were one not too long ago in this very thread.

Modifié par didymos1120, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:04 .

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

You forget that us human used to have slavery everywhere as well and it stills hasn't ended today. You gonna hate on Earth next and try to kill us. 

So because we did it, that means they can do it to us? What kind of ****ed up logic is that?

People kill, so if aliens are real they should kill us all too. Same thing right?

It's your own ****ed up logic, that's what kind it is.  What BatmanPWNS is actually saying is that you're a hypocrite, which you ought to have no problem with considering you yourself said you were not too long ago in this very thread.

Yeah, never have I given reason for you to say that. Because I hate Batarian due to they're slaving ways? I'd be a hipocrite if I didn't actually.

[Bad King]

Mesina2 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

Turians prove honorable as a race. Also, Garrus

Balak honored his part of the deal that if you let him go he won't blow up the hostages and give you chance to save them.

And those Batarians on Mordin recruitment don't shoot you once you let them go.



So yeah, Batarians can be honorable as well.

While I agree that some of the batarians you meet in the game are honourable, Balak was not being honourable at all by letting the hostages live. He left timed explosives to distract Shepard while he escaped, so he was doing it to save his own skin- if he had gone back on his word and blown them up there and then, Shepard would have killed/arrested him.

[CroGamer002]

^He gave Shepard a chance to save them.

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:30 .