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[AdmiralCheez]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I like vampires for all those reasons. But I guess I like them most when they're subverted. I'm silly that way.

Also, Hello Cheez. I guess it's time for me to come back to the Mass Effect Boards again, eh?

You are silly.  And welcome back.

LET'S WASTE TIME TOGETHER!  WHOO!

[pfhorlorn]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Dont get me wrong I find them to be about as cute and cuddly as shotgun aimed at my face that fires halitosis rounds. However it is still is a race of creatures that it is okay to hate. When did that become a norm?

I don't see how the vorcha are a race that's okay to hate. What the writers write for how characters feel about them doesn't reflect how the writers feel, and shouldn't be the only argument for why the audience should feel that way. I don't hate vorcha, either, on that note.

Modifié par koopaonfire, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:51 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

It's a shame only so few are able to recognise the quarians as the true blight upon the galaxy.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

koopaonfire wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Dont get me wrong I find them to be about as cute and cuddly as shotgun aimed at my face that fires halitosis rounds. However it is still is a race of creatures that it is okay to hate. When did that become a norm?

I don't see how the vorcha are a race that's okay to hate. What the writers write for how characters feel about them doesn't reflect how the writers feel, and shouldn't be the only argument for why the audience should feel that way. I don't hate vorcha, either, on that note.

Even though they've tried to kill you on several occasions? And called you filth. And attacked every human in the Omega Slums who didn't make it out during the seal off?

[ADLegend21]

Let's see Batarians:
Attack human colonies, including theone shepard grew up on in that background
Attacked a human colony that Shepard had to defend single handedly in that psych
Shepard destroyed a Batarian terrorist base in the ruthless background FOR attacking a human colony.
Batarians annexed an Asari colony
Batarians attacked the salarian colony of Mannovai
Batarians tried to ram an asteroid intothe capital of one of humanitiesmost prosperous colonies
They tried to Kill Mordin's assitant while he tried to CURE the plague.
They kidnapped Kenson and were going to torture her before Shepard save dher when she was doing investigations on the REAPERS.

I'd gladly sacrafice every batarian in the milky way because they have no sense of compassion, diplomacy, or willingness to coexist peacefully, plus their culture is based on slavery so they've got to go. I'm amazed that the Asari didn't send in the commandoes tow ipe them out after they annexed that colony.

[Sundance31us]

Putting aside everything else their slavery practices are enough IMO.

"Once captured, the slavers implant control devices in the skulls of their slaves without bothering with anesthetic."

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Batarian

[pfhorlorn]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Even though they've tried to kill you on several occasions? And called you filth. And attacked every human in the Omega Slums who didn't make it out during the seal off?

Are those vorcha the entire vorcha race? If so, they must be pretty few in number.

[lovgreno]

Batarians are very much like humans. You don't like them? Remember that you are looking into a mirror. And also it's always the comfortable generalisation of ugly = evil.

[marshalleck]

lovgreno wrote...

Batarians are very much like humans.

Except they really aren't. You're just looking for validation and confirmation of your anti-human angst.

Batarians in Mass Effect are exceptionally one-dimensional. The only other species which comes as close to the batarians in having a singular unlikable presentation is the vorcha. Every other species is given the full treatment of varying attitudes and dispositions.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[pfhorlorn]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Let's see Batarians:
Attack human colonies, including theone shepard grew up on in that background
Attacked a human colony that Shepard had to defend single handedly in that psych
Shepard destroyed a Batarian terrorist base in the ruthless background FOR attacking a human colony.
Batarians annexed an Asari colony
Batarians attacked the salarian colony of Mannovai
Batarians tried to ram an asteroid intothe capital of one of humanitiesmost prosperous colonies
They tried to Kill Mordin's assitant while he tried to CURE the plague.
They kidnapped Kenson and were going to torture her before Shepard save dher when she was doing investigations on the REAPERS.

I'd gladly sacrafice every batarian in the milky way because they have no sense of compassion, diplomacy, or willingness to coexist peacefully, plus their culture is based on slavery so they've got to go. I'm amazed that the Asari didn't send in the commandoes tow ipe them out after they annexed that colony.

Again, you're blaming all batarians for the actions of a few, as well as their government. That would be as if people blamed me for the actions of the United States (for example: the CIA instituting dictators who are pro-USA & anti-communism; the "War on Terror"; the industrial imperialism).

[Funkcase]

I dont really get the Batarian hate, although I dislike the slavery they do. They're the most human out of all the races in ME, ironic that they're so hated. And to be fair, the only Batarians we have meet are the terrorists in bring down the sky, and on Omega, the city built on crime. We haven't really seen Batarians in their casual lives. It's like a alien coming to Earth and judging all of humanity on the Taliban.

Modifié par Funkcase, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[armass]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Let's see Batarians:
Attack human colonies, including theone shepard grew up on in that background
Attacked a human colony that Shepard had to defend single handedly in that psych
Shepard destroyed a Batarian terrorist base in the ruthless background FOR attacking a human colony.
Batarians annexed an Asari colony
Batarians attacked the salarian colony of Mannovai
Batarians tried to ram an asteroid intothe capital of one of humanitiesmost prosperous colonies
They tried to Kill Mordin's assitant while he tried to CURE the plague.
They kidnapped Kenson and were going to torture her before Shepard save dher when she was doing investigations on the REAPERS.

I'd gladly sacrafice every batarian in the milky way because they have no sense of compassion, diplomacy, or willingness to coexist peacefully, plus their culture is based on slavery so they've got to go. I'm amazed that the Asari didn't send in the commandoes tow ipe them out after they annexed that colony.

Krogan act the same way also. They tried to conquer the whole galaxy once.

Modifié par armass, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:01 .

[pfhorlorn]

marshalleck wrote...

Except they really aren't. You're just looking for validation and confirmation of your anti-human angst.

Anti-human angst? What, we're bringing misanthropy into this conversation now? Oh, come on.

And let's please stop attacking each other's character. I know that BSN loves to do that, but it's something I want to avoid in any topics I start.

Modifié par koopaonfire, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

koopaonfire wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Even though they've tried to kill you on several occasions? And called you filth. And attacked every human in the Omega Slums who didn't make it out during the seal off?

Are those vorcha the entire vorcha race? If so, they must be pretty few in number.

Actually, the Codex does describe them as a violent race. Here's the Wiki entry:

"Vorcha society is built around combat. In fact, the vorcha use
combat, both singly and in groups, as their default form of
communication resulting in their communications being primarily
non-verbal. The vorcha are a clan based people who prefer living in
communal environments with others of their species to living alone or in
the company of alien races. When a clan population grows too large,
younger members will depart to start a new clan elsewhere. The vorcha
are extremely aggressive, both against rivals of their own species and
against any alien who stands in their way. Vorcha who have managed to
escape their homeworld have a tendency to occupy uninhabited areas of
space stations or larger spaceships.


The vorcha are not themselves a space-faring race, although many
have found their way off-world as stowaways on ships visiting their
homeworld. The vorcha who escaped their hostile homeworld did so by
hiding on the ships of space faring races that had the misfortune of
visiting their planet. Their adaptability and resilience allows them to
flourish in the dark and dirty corners of the places they end up.
Seeing the potential of the vorcha's individual adaptability, krogan
Blood Pack mercenaries often sweep pockets of vorcha, gathering them up
and literally beating them into soldiers. Vorcha "trained" by this
ordeal are stronger, faster, smarter, and more resilient than other
members of the race. Gaining even a few vorcha gives a mercenary band a
formidable advantage; each additional vorcha magnifies the gang’s combat
ferocity exponentially."


The bold and underlined bits are important. They don't like you. They never have and probably never will, unless you save one from certain death. Even then, it'd be surly.

Modifié par Moonshadow_Dark, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:00 .

[cactusberry]

My Shep doesn't hate batarians at all, and she's a Colonist.

[marshalleck]

koopaonfire wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Except they really aren't. You're just looking for validation and confirmation of your anti-human angst.

Anti-human angst? What, we're bringing misanthropy into this conversation now? Oh, come on.

And let's please stop attacking each other's character. I know that BSN loves to do that, but it's something I want to avoid in any topics I start.

Then feel free to avoid it.

[KotorEffect3]

armass wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Let's see Batarians:
Attack human colonies, including theone shepard grew up on in that background
Attacked a human colony that Shepard had to defend single handedly in that psych
Shepard destroyed a Batarian terrorist base in the ruthless background FOR attacking a human colony.
Batarians annexed an Asari colony
Batarians attacked the salarian colony of Mannovai
Batarians tried to ram an asteroid intothe capital of one of humanitiesmost prosperous colonies
They tried to Kill Mordin's assitant while he tried to CURE the plague.
They kidnapped Kenson and were going to torture her before Shepard save dher when she was doing investigations on the REAPERS.

I'd gladly sacrafice every batarian in the milky way because they have no sense of compassion, diplomacy, or willingness to coexist peacefully, plus their culture is based on slavery so they've got to go. I'm amazed that the Asari didn't send in the commandoes tow ipe them out after they annexed that colony.

Krogan act the same way also. Would you destroy them too?

You meet quite a few Krogan that aren't dicks (especialy in the second game) besides Krogan are funny.

[armass]

koopaonfire wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Except they really aren't. You're just looking for validation and confirmation of your anti-human angst.

Anti-human angst? What, we're bringing misanthropy into this conversation now? Oh, come on.

And let's please stop attacking each other's character. I know that BSN loves to do that, but it's something I want to avoid in any topics I start.

This is the tactic they use, once you start defending the normal citizens of any non liked aliens race, they call you anti-human, throw labels. Same way they would call me terrorist symphatizer if i critisized the Bush goverment during the iraq war. Same tactic, same ignorance.

Modifié par armass, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:04 .

[AdmiralCheez]

marshalleck wrote...

Maybe so, but it's completely missing the point. If Bioware wanted players to like batarians, they would have given us a likable batarian. Maybe even a batarian squadmate. Sure, buried in the dialogue and game text there are mentions of decent batarians (the one that was on Garrus' Omega crew for example) but the player never interacts with that character directly. I'll say it again: people dislike batarians because Bioware have made a conscious effort to make batarians unlikable. It's the attitude they want to foster for whatever reason--probably related to events in ME3.

Well, yeah.  It's obvious that Bioware's trying to sucker you into hating them.  I personally theorize that it's to create tension with the whole "we're all jerks and saints motif" that the game's got going.

After all, if one side is clearly right, what the hell would we do on the BSN?

Still want that batarian squadmate.

[ADLegend21]

koopaonfire wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Let's see Batarians:
Attack human colonies, including theone shepard grew up on in that background
Attacked a human colony that Shepard had to defend single handedly in that psych
Shepard destroyed a Batarian terrorist base in the ruthless background FOR attacking a human colony.
Batarians annexed an Asari colony
Batarians attacked the salarian colony of Mannovai
Batarians tried to ram an asteroid intothe capital of one of humanitiesmost prosperous colonies
They tried to Kill Mordin's assitant while he tried to CURE the plague.
They kidnapped Kenson and were going to torture her before Shepard save dher when she was doing investigations on the REAPERS.

I'd gladly sacrafice every batarian in the milky way because they have no sense of compassion, diplomacy, or willingness to coexist peacefully, plus their culture is based on slavery so they've got to go. I'm amazed that the Asari didn't send in the commandoes tow ipe them out after they annexed that colony.

Again, you're blaming all batarians for the actions of a few, as well as their government. That would be as if people blamed me for the actions of the United States (for example: the CIA instituting dictators who are pro-USA & anti-communism; the "War on Terror"; the industrial imperialism).

Their government is a hemenogy, that means the government controls everything, even the people. Their culture is built on slavery which is hwy they have "slave grabs" of OTHER species. I ahve paragon's who don't hate the batarains and evne a renegade that doesn't, but both my canons have seen the worst of the Batarians (war Hero and ruthless respectively) and since they're "siblings" they're going to destroy every Batarian and Battarian husk they see in ME3.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing a female Batarian before it's all said an done.

[marshalleck]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You meet quite a few Krogan that aren't dicks (especialy in the second game) besides Krogan are funny.

Indeed, krogan are the most salient example of an entire species being expanded in such a way that the player will be able to empathize with them, if not outright completely come to like them. It's clearly another example of very specific, calculated intent on Bioware's part.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:05 .

[Chucky Shepard]

Agamo45 wrote...

It's obvious why, they're terrorist bastards.

VERY true, i applaud you for your work. 

Modifié par Chucky Shepard, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:07 .

[marshalleck]

armass wrote...

koopaonfire wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Except they really aren't. You're just looking for validation and confirmation of your anti-human angst.

Anti-human angst? What, we're bringing misanthropy into this conversation now? Oh, come on.

And let's please stop attacking each other's character. I know that BSN loves to do that, but it's something I want to avoid in any topics I start.

This is the tactic they use, once you start defending the normal citizens of any non liked aliens race, they call you anti-human, throw labels.

Try reading my posts again, and this time make an effort to comprehend. If anything, I'm making one of the most strongly-worded arguments in FAVOR of batarians in this thread.

[pfhorlorn]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Their government is a hemenogy, that means the government controls everything, even the people. Their culture is built on slavery which is hwy they have "slave grabs" of OTHER species. I ahve paragon's who don't hate the batarains and evne a renegade that doesn't, but both my canons have seen the worst of the Batarians (war Hero and ruthless respectively) and since they're "siblings" they're going to destroy every Batarian and Battarian husk they see in ME3.

And there were probably some nice, normal people who happened to live in National Socialist Germany or fascist Spain, too. Just because a government controls everything doesn't mean there aren't at least a few decent people in there.

e: Oh man, N@zi is censored. I replaced it.

Modifié par koopaonfire, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:05 .

[Illusive1]

koopaonfire wrote...

I'll start this thread off with a universal statement: A great deal of any sentient species are of lesser intelligence. This is why we have an "average / normal" IQ. This is why there are geniuses, why there are the mentally defective, and why there are tons of other flavors of intellect between those two extremes on the spectrum.

Not all batarians are crooks. Not all are liars. The majority of batarians you meet in ME2 are mercenaries, of course. So are a lot of humans, turians, and vorcha -- at least those you can interact with, even if that interaction is shooting them.

I see a lot of posts saying very angry things (nigh zealous hatred) about a fictional race from a fictional world. I see people write things like "I'd enjoy blinding one of 'em... one eye at a time," "they're a worthless race with four of everything and they're all evil and we should kill them," and so on. Some proclaim that batarians are maleficent and should all be dealt with severely because of their interactions with the player and other characters in the ME realm. That's sort of dumb, frankly. A lot of humans, at least in modern times, aren't very bright. Humanity, for priding ourselves on our ability to reason, isn't reasonable more than half of the time.

There's no reason to think that batarians are anything other than spacefaring near-humans who, like humans, have plenty of bad eggs. That doesn't mean, by any means, that batarians are completely rotten. I'm sure there are quite a few batarians out there who want nothing more than to live their lives like regular people: providing for a family, working, engaging in the traditional customs of their own culture.

We magnify the shortcomings of some batarians to the entire race, stereotyping them. We take the standpoints and arguments of the Batarian Hegemony as the last word for every single batarian. That's both illogical and impossible, unless they have some sort of Borgesque hivemind. I mean, we don't blame all humans for the failures of Cerberus and the Alliance. That'd be silly! And relating back to my Hegemony comment: I'm an American. I live in the United States. I don't support capitalistic healthcare, I don't support religion and business governing politics, and I think every adult should have the same right to marry, be healthy, and opt for public housing if he or she is struggling financially.

I don't support 100% of the actions of my government. Chances are, many of you don't, either.

So why, then, do we blame all batarians for the actions of mercenaries and the Hegemony?

This sounds about par for the course of a BATARIAN SYMPATHIZER. Go save some oil spill seals. The Batarians were intended to be a useless race by the creators of this whole ***-**** series.