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[Bad King]

ThePwener wrote...

You make plenty of good points, but point is, Batarians are plain bad. Have you thought that the reason we haven't seen a single "nice" Batarian is because there isn't any?

"Youth United is a galaxy-wide extranet group that aims to connect young people of all species. Founder Darchas Clark says he wants to provide a helpful, positive environment for children to learn about each others' cultures. A batarian raised in a human family, Clark says he knows things can be difficult for young people of mixed backgrounds. "My parents were good people, but they didn't know how to help with my struggle to relate to either batarian or human cultures when I was a kid," he recalls. "It's important that Youth United lets kids know they're not alone in that struggle. There's still too many vicious and ignorant attitudes towards mixed families out there." The group's services include chat sessions with peers and counselors, free classes on alien languages and cultures, and a guide to the galaxy's major legal systems." -- Cerberus Daily News

Modifié par Bad King, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:22 .

[ThePwener]

Bad King wrote...

"Youth United is a galaxy-wide extranet group that aims to connect young
people of all species. Founder Darchas Clark says he wants to provide a
helpful, positive environment for children to learn about each others'
cultures. A batarian raised in a human family, Clark says he knows
things can be difficult for young people of mixed backgrounds. "My
parents were good people, but they didn't know how to help with my
struggle to relate to either batarian or human cultures when I was a
kid," he recalls. "It's important that Youth United lets kids know
they're not alone in that struggle. There's still too many vicious and
ignorant attitudes towards mixed families out there." The group's
services include chat sessions with peers and counselors, free classes
on alien languages and cultures, and a guide to the galaxy's major legal
systems." -- Cerberus Daily News

No, I want a Batarian who was raised on the bad side and understanmds it is not the way. Any psychologist would dismiss that as you can raise a child to believe anything you want. A Batarian child raised to know that the Batarians are doing bad things is erroneous.

Good try and all, but it just isn't viable. Im sorry.

[didymos1120]

Look at those goalposts go.

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

Look at those goalposts go.

Those wut?

[Bad King]

ThePwener wrote...

Bad King wrote...

"Youth United is a galaxy-wide extranet group that aims to connect young
people of all species. Founder Darchas Clark says he wants to provide a
helpful, positive environment for children to learn about each others'
cultures. A batarian raised in a human family, Clark says he knows
things can be difficult for young people of mixed backgrounds. "My
parents were good people, but they didn't know how to help with my
struggle to relate to either batarian or human cultures when I was a
kid," he recalls. "It's important that Youth United lets kids know
they're not alone in that struggle. There's still too many vicious and
ignorant attitudes towards mixed families out there." The group's
services include chat sessions with peers and counselors, free classes
on alien languages and cultures, and a guide to the galaxy's major legal
systems." -- Cerberus Daily News

No, I want a Batarian who was raised on the bad side and understanmds it is not the way. Any psychologist would dismiss that as you can raise a child to believe anything you want. A Batarian child raised to know that the Batarians are doing bad things is erroneous.

Good try and all, but it just isn't viable. Im sorry.

This is exactly what the hegemony is doing with its people. They use propaganda and censorship to breed distrust amongst their people towards humanity. They are being manipulated. It's why many batarians we see are distrustful of humanity. It's our job to prove that their preconceptions are incorrect.

"I was wrong about a lot of things human." -- sick batarian on Mordin's mission.

As someone who is interested in psychology, you should realise that this is the case.

Modifié par Bad King, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:40 .

[ThePwener]

Bad King wrote...

This is exactly what the hegemony is doing with its people. Theu use propaganda and censorship to breed distrust amongst their people towards humanity. They are being manipulated.

Is there proof of that? All I heard is that they don't let them out of Batarian space. Oh well.

[GreenDragon37]

Lord of Mu wrote...

I've yet to see any reason to like the Batarians. The entire race has been presented in a bad light but I think that is more for the player to judge.

That being said, I don't take kindly to

Mercenaries, Slavers and Pirates of any race or kind. (Even humans)
Proxy Wars and attacks on peaceful colonies by Mercenaries, Slavers and Pirates.
Being Poisoned by a Batarian Bartenders.
Asteroids being guided to impact with human cities.
Missiles being launched at human colonies.
Cultural slavery.

I have spared or even saved the lives of a few Batarians on Omega, so I don't hate the entire race. But when every encounter is marred with dishonorable acts it's pretty damn hard to not hate the Batarians.

This.

*Also:
Annexing other species' worlds
Bombing other species' worlds

Seriously, though. If we go to Batarian Space, we'll see what's behind the veil. Otherwise, I'll stick to what I've been thinking since ME1:

"Terrorist, slaver bastards."

I mean, seriously, OP, how can you not even understand why they are hated?

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:53 .

[Bad King]

ThePwener wrote...

Bad King wrote...

This is exactly what the hegemony is doing with its people. Theu use propaganda and censorship to breed distrust amongst their people towards humanity. They are being manipulated.

Is there proof of that? All I heard is that they don't let them out of Batarian space. Oh well.

Yes

"The average Aratoht citizen only sees humans on the news, usually featured in stories of trials and executions of accused spies." -- codex entry on Aratoht.

"It is not known what the average batarian thinks about their enforced isolation, as the Department of Information Control ensures that only government-approved news enters or leaves batarian space." -- BioWare codex entry on batarians

""Nothing is impossible," says the Hegemony propaganda poster that depicts a muscular batarian miner under an Aratoht[/b] sky, his rebreather held away from his face as if he's just taken it off. The image sums up millions of man-hours of labor on the batarian planet and represents (or misrepresents) much of its history."-- Codex entry on Aratoht

To maintain such an oppressive caste system, the hegemony needs to use propaganda and censorship to survive (as well as its recon satellites and advanced weaponry).

Modifié par Bad King, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:52 .

[ThePwener]

Bad King wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Bad King wrote...

This is exactly what the hegemony is doing with its people. Theu use propaganda and censorship to breed distrust amongst their people towards humanity. They are being manipulated.

Is there proof of that? All I heard is that they don't let them out of Batarian space. Oh well.

Yes

"The average Aratoht citizen only sees humans on the news, usually featured in stories of trials and executions of accused spies." -- codex entry on Aratoht.

"It is not known what the average batarian thinks about their enforced
isolation, as the Department of Information Control ensures that only
government-approved news enters or leaves batarian space." -- BioWare codex entry on batarians

"Nothing is impossible," says the Hegemony propaganda poster that depicts a muscular batarian miner under an Aratoht[/b]
sky, his rebreather held away from his face as if he's just taken it
off. The image sums up millions of man-hours of labor on the batarian
planet and represents (or misrepresents) much of its history. -- Codex entry on Aratoht

I still don't care. They're goverment doomed them, simple as that. They pay for the sins of they're leaders, nothing new.

They're goverment is still ran by Batarians. If choping the head off the serpent means also killing the body, then so be it. My species comes first then any other, no matter how sad they're particular story is.

[CroGamer002]

^Does that mean you hate North Koreans as well?

[ThePwener]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Does that mean you hate North Koreans as well?

I hate all world goverments. Im not joking, I do.

[CroGamer002]

^But here you hate entire species, not just government.

[ThePwener]

Mesina2 wrote...

^But here you hate entire species, not just government.

Fine, I also hate humanity. Existential nihilist over here. Humanity is inherently evil and all that good stuff. Again, Im not joking.

[GreenDragon37]

However, I would throw the Batarians under the bus if I had to make a sacrifice in ME3.

They'd do the same to us, and you all know it. Besides, we'll be weak as hell after the Reaper War. I think getting rid of the potential Batarian threat will lessen the threats to us in the future as we rebuild. However, that's if I'm not shown otherwise that the Hegemony won't change and can't change. Even then...

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 11 septembre 2011 - 02:04 .

[ThePwener]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

However, I would throw the Batarians under the bus if I had to make a sacrifice in ME3.

They'd do the same to us, and you all know it. Besides, we'll be weak as hell after the Reaper War. I think getting rid of the potential Batarian threat will lessen the threats to us in the future as we rebuild. However, that's if I'm not shown otherwise that the Hegemony won't change and can't change. Even then...

Here's the thing, the Hegemony is probably destroyed by the time ME3 starts (Cannibals). Considering that the Turians got kicked out of they're homplanet into a moon, the Hegemony wouldn't even stand a chance.

[Apollo Starflare]

I still hope that in some future ME product we'll get a more in depth look at the Batarians. Nothing too crazy, but when a good portion of the information we get about them is from biased sources or is coloured by their somewhat awful government it begins to feel like we know next to nothing about them as a race other than their political agenda and corruptions. Certainly in comparison to the other races.

I think there will be a great story to be told about the race picking themselves up after being almost completely devestated by the Reapers in ME3 (seemingly).

[SpaceGhost88]

Can't wait to see the "Why the Reaper hate thread?"

As usual people are over-thinking things. However some more info on them (and all the races in general) would be nice yeah

[ThePwener]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

I think there will be a great story to be told about the race picking themselves up after being almost completely devestated by the Reapers in ME3 (seemingly).

BW said we'll get the chance to solve the Batarian problem once and for all. I go with not giving them the chance to rebuild. They'll end up so scattered they will die off in a century.

Am I evil? You'll say yes, I'll reserve my own judgement.

[GreenDragon37]

ThePwener wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...

I think there will be a great story to be told about the race picking themselves up after being almost completely devestated by the Reapers in ME3 (seemingly).

BW said we'll get the chance to solve the Batarian problem once and for all. I go with not giving them the chance to rebuild. They'll end up so scattered they will die off in a century.

Am I evil? You'll say yes, I'll reserve my own judgement.

The only problem I see with this is it could create animosity with the surviving members and they commit themselves to acts of terrorism against Humanity before they all die out. Of course, that's pretty much what they have been doing. However, it would be with much renewed fervor.

Personally, I'd just let the Reapers reap them, then after the war... make them like the Yahg: never leave their world/worlds and have a "New Council" fleet waiting above them.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 11 septembre 2011 - 02:21 .

[ThePwener]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Personally, I'd just let the Reapers reap them, then after the war... make them like the Yahg: never leave their world/worlds and have a fleet waiting above them.

Chances are the choice is to either save them or let them die and go do something actually important. Not really our fault in the end from that perspective.

"There was a hole - There was a war"

Not our fault.

[GreenDragon37]

ThePwener wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Personally, I'd just let the Reapers reap them, then after the war... make them like the Yahg: never leave their world/worlds and have a fleet waiting above them.

Chances are the choice is to either save them or let them die and go do something actually important. Not really our fault in the end from that perspective.

"There was a hole - There was a war"

Not our fault.

Yep. However, I want the act of leaving them to mean I get something in return. Like you beat an enemy to a place earlier, or something.

[ThePwener]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Personally, I'd just let the Reapers reap them, then after the war... make them like the Yahg: never leave their world/worlds and have a fleet waiting above them.

Chances are the choice is to either save them or let them die and go do something actually important. Not really our fault in the end from that perspective.

"There was a hole - There was a war"

Not our fault.

Is it saving them even worth it? They don't deserve it to begin with. Having to go through all this bull**** to have someone like you nain't worth and it is extremely naive to follow that path.

You hit me I'll hit you back. worked with bullies years back, it'll work this time around.

Yep. However, I want the act of leaving them to mean I get something in return. Like you beat an enemy to a place earlier, or something.

[eternalnightmare13]

Batarians killed my Shep's family, friends, razed his colony of Mindoir when he was a teenager.  His first major campaign in the Systems Alliance military involved batarian slavers on Torfan.  Every batarian he's met since - Balak - and beyond has been either a merc or terrorist.  Just reinforcing the ideology that the only good batarian is a dead one.  Show me one batarian that's not a slaver, pirate, human hating zealot, merc or general scumbag?

PS: This is a game and it's perfectly fine to dislike a character/race/vehicle/etc not a poli-sci 101 class.

koopaonfire wrote...

I'll start this thread off with a universal statement: A great deal of any sentient species are of lesser intelligence. This is why we have an "average / normal" IQ. This is why there are geniuses, why there are the mentally defective, and why there are tons of other flavors of intellect between those two extremes on the spectrum.

Not all batarians are crooks. Not all are liars. The majority of batarians you meet in ME2 are mercenaries, of course. So are a lot of humans, turians, and vorcha -- at least those you can interact with, even if that interaction is shooting them.

I see a lot of posts saying very angry things (nigh zealous hatred) about a fictional race from a fictional world. I see people write things like "I'd enjoy blinding one of 'em... one eye at a time," "they're a worthless race with four of everything and they're all evil and we should kill them," and so on. Some proclaim that batarians are maleficent and should all be dealt with severely because of their interactions with the player and other characters in the ME realm. That's sort of dumb, frankly. A lot of humans, at least in modern times, aren't very bright. Humanity, for priding ourselves on our ability to reason, isn't reasonable more than half of the time.

There's no reason to think that batarians are anything other than spacefaring near-humans who, like humans, have plenty of bad eggs. That doesn't mean, by any means, that batarians are completely rotten. I'm sure there are quite a few batarians out there who want nothing more than to live their lives like regular people: providing for a family, working, engaging in the traditional customs of their own culture.

We magnify the shortcomings of some batarians to the entire race, stereotyping them. We take the standpoints and arguments of the Batarian Hegemony as the last word for every single batarian. That's both illogical and impossible, unless they have some sort of Borgesque hivemind. I mean, we don't blame all humans for the failures of Cerberus and the Alliance. That'd be silly! And relating back to my Hegemony comment: I'm an American. I live in the United States. I don't support capitalistic healthcare, I don't support religion and business governing politics, and I think every adult should have the same right to marry, be healthy, and opt for public housing if he or she is struggling financially.

I don't support 100% of the actions of my government. Chances are, many of you don't, either.

So why, then, do we blame all batarians for the actions of mercenaries and the Hegemony?

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 11 septembre 2011 - 03:34 .

[Takio]

The two batarians, I liked were that plague victim and that store owner. They did nothing wrong at all.

[Sajuro]

If we have a choice between saving Batarians and letting them die I will save them, because I'm just an idealist like that to think that saving a race from total destruction could get them to change their minds about you.