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[pfhorlorn]

Illusive1 wrote...

This sounds about par for the course of a BATARIAN SYMPATHIZER. Go save some oil spill seals. The Batarians were intended to be a useless race by the creators of this whole ***-**** series.

If you don't want to contribute to this thread, why are you replying?

[armass]

ADLegend21 wrote...

koopaonfire wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Let's see Batarians:
Attack human colonies, including theone shepard grew up on in that background
Attacked a human colony that Shepard had to defend single handedly in that psych
Shepard destroyed a Batarian terrorist base in the ruthless background FOR attacking a human colony.
Batarians annexed an Asari colony
Batarians attacked the salarian colony of Mannovai
Batarians tried to ram an asteroid intothe capital of one of humanitiesmost prosperous colonies
They tried to Kill Mordin's assitant while he tried to CURE the plague.
They kidnapped Kenson and were going to torture her before Shepard save dher when she was doing investigations on the REAPERS.

I'd gladly sacrafice every batarian in the milky way because they have no sense of compassion, diplomacy, or willingness to coexist peacefully, plus their culture is based on slavery so they've got to go. I'm amazed that the Asari didn't send in the commandoes tow ipe them out after they annexed that colony.

Again, you're blaming all batarians for the actions of a few, as well as their government. That would be as if people blamed me for the actions of the United States (for example: the CIA instituting dictators who are pro-USA & anti-communism; the "War on Terror"; the industrial imperialism).

Their government is a hemenogy, that means the government controls everything, even the people. Their culture is built on slavery which is hwy they have "slave grabs" of OTHER species. I ahve paragon's who don't hate the batarains and evne a renegade that doesn't, but both my canons have seen the worst of the Batarians (war Hero and ruthless respectively) and since they're "siblings" they're going to destroy every Batarian and Battarian husk they see in ME3.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing a female Batarian before it's all said an done.

Do i need to bring North Korea example in again...? Cause you know theyre nation is the most controlled in the world, And theyre government is very very wicked, would you kill all north koreans because of what their government does? I wouldn't. There's no way all north korean civilians are evil, murdering wastes of skin just like there is no way all the batarians in the galaxy are that way.

Besides if you just murder and genocide them based on your hate how are you any better than them? Or the reapers?

Modifié par armass, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:12 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

Okay let me put it this way...

The Batarians are planing on suing the Citadel because the Citadel placed sanctions against the Batarians for slavery... THE BATARIAN GOVERNMENT is suing the citadel because they want their slavery practices to be recognized as a part of their culture...

Immagine a guy suing your government over Rape cases and he is doing this because his ancestry is derived from a Viking herritage...

Evil is Evil

[SpaceGhost88]

Marshalleck has it right. Bioware basically wants you to hate/dislike them, it's quite blatant.

[TwistedComplex]

The same reason why when we see a snake we run.

Not all snakes are venomous, but would you risk it?

[Annihilator27]

I want a Bartarian squadmate.I like the species. Its just that they have been labled as terroists.There are good Batarians out there.

[pfhorlorn]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Okay let me put it this way...

The Batarians are planing on suing the Citadel because the Citadel placed sanctions against the Batarians for slavery... THE BATARIAN GOVERNMENT is suing the citadel because they want their slavery practices to be recognized as a part of their culture...

Immagine a guy suing your government over Rape cases and he is doing this because his ancestry is derived from a Viking herritage...

Evil is Evil

I already addressed this. You're saying the batarian government is doing something and equating that with the entire species.

[TwistedComplex]

That said, Batarians are the scum of the galaxy

[pfhorlorn]

TwistedComplex wrote...

The same reason why when we see a snake we run.

Not all snakes are venomous, but would you risk it?

The difference is that snakes aren't sentient. Batarians can think, and, as we've seen in certain scenarios (i.e. letting the batarians who capture Daniel go and saving that one sick batarian), they're capable of reason. I'm sure they have just as many personalities as humans do.

[Illusive1]

koopaonfire wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

This sounds about par for the course of a BATARIAN SYMPATHIZER. Go save some oil spill seals. The Batarians were intended to be a useless race by the creators of this whole ***-**** series.

If you don't want to contribute to this thread, why are you replying?

koopainhell,

I don't understand why you don't understand. This is simple, krouper. A.) The batarians suck. B.) You like the Batarians, ipso facto, you suck too. It's pure science.

[Omega4RelayResident]

armass wrote...

Do i need to bring North Korea example in again...? Cause you know theyre nation is the most controlled in the world, And theyre government is very very wicked, would you kill all north koreans because of what their government does? I wouldn't.

Are you actually telling me you are defending North Korea?

[armass]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

armass wrote...

Do i need to bring North Korea example in again...? Cause you know theyre nation is the most controlled in the world, And theyre government is very very wicked, would you kill all north koreans because of what their government does? I wouldn't.

Are you actually telling me you are defending North Korea?

Im not defending what their government does, dont put words into my mouth. I put forth an example. Read it more carefully.

Modifié par armass, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:13 .

[pfhorlorn]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

armass wrote...

Do i need to bring North Korea example in again...? Cause you know theyre nation is the most controlled in the world, And theyre government is very very wicked, would you kill all north koreans because of what their government does? I wouldn't.

Are you actually telling me you are defending North Korea?

He's defending the people of North Korea. The normal, everyday people who've either been brainwashed or can't escape due to their government's tight grip on them. He's not defending North Korea's government.

[Xilizhra]

marshalleck wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Batarians are very much like humans.

Except they really aren't. You're just looking for validation and confirmation of your anti-human angst.

Batarians in Mass Effect are exceptionally one-dimensional. The only other species which comes as close to the batarians in having a singular unlikable presentation is the vorcha. Every other species is given the full treatment of varying attitudes and dispositions.

Batarians are also the only culture we've seen that's actively hostile to humans in particular, not to mention the Citadel government in general. We haven't seen a sufficiently representative sample to determine that they aren't like humans.

[armass]

koopaonfire wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

armass wrote...

Do i need to bring North Korea example in again...? Cause you know theyre nation is the most controlled in the world, And theyre government is very very wicked, would you kill all north koreans because of what their government does? I wouldn't.

Are you actually telling me you are defending North Korea?

He's defending the people of North Korea. The normal, everyday people who've either been brainwashed or can't escape due to their government's tight grip on them. He's not defending North Korea's government.

Exactly. It's baffling to me, how some people really cant seem to see the difference...

Modifié par armass, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:15 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Batarians are also the only culture we've seen that's actively hostile to humans in particular, not to mention the Citadel government in general. We haven't seen a sufficiently representative sample to determine that they aren't like humans.

You say that as if it's a bad thing. And it's not like they don't the same bad things humans have also done in the past, nor as if they haven't taken over human habits.

[pfhorlorn]

armass wrote...

Exactly. It's baffling to me, how some people really cant seem to see the difference...

It's also baffling how people ignore this fact, even though I've stated it in the main post and two(?) subsequent posts. That sort of upsets me.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Okay on my canon Shep run I saved the sick Batarian, I let the batarians go that were scared out of their minds and threatning Mordin's assistant...

Individuals need to prove to me they are worth my mercy... that goes for all races.... they need to show they would change for the better...

But yeah the government I'll drown in a sea of Hannar blood

[marshalleck]

Xilizhra wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Batarians are very much like humans.

Except they really aren't. You're just looking for validation and confirmation of your anti-human angst.

Batarians in Mass Effect are exceptionally one-dimensional. The only other species which comes as close to the batarians in having a singular unlikable presentation is the vorcha. Every other species is given the full treatment of varying attitudes and dispositions.

Batarians are also the only culture we've seen that's actively hostile to humans in particular, not to mention the Citadel government in general. We haven't seen a sufficiently representative sample to determine that they aren't like humans.

Which actually reinforces everything I've said about them, and about Bioware's presentation of them to the player. The reason I say they're not like humanity is because in the game, we see all kinds of humans with different perspectives, values, inclinations. Every batarian we meet is rude and standoffish toward humans at best (Marsh the shopkeeper) to full-blown homicidal at worst (Balak in BDTS). Humans on the other hand run the gamut--they have the most balanced presentation of all.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:17 .

[TwistedComplex]

koopaonfire wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

The same reason why when we see a snake we run.

Not all snakes are venomous, but would you risk it?

The difference is that snakes aren't sentient. Batarians can think, and, as we've seen in certain scenarios (i.e. letting the batarians who capture Daniel go and saving that one sick batarian), they're capable of reason. I'm sure they have just as many personalities as humans do.

Well lets get this straight. Governments reflect the people of that society.

If people in real life weren't apathetic and self-centered, the government would reflect that

Like-wise, if Batarians weren't barbarous and driven by tradition, slavery would have been outlawed in their culture long ago.

I'm assuming you don't have any compassion for the Conferderate States of America, and if you do, congradulations, you're not a hypocrit, but my point still remains

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:17 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

According to the wiki, OP has it right.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Batarian

"A race of four-eyed bipeds native to the world of Khar'shan, the batarians are a disreputable species that chose to isolate itself from the rest of the galaxy. The Terminus Systems are infested with batarian pirate gangs and slaving rings, fueling the stereotype of the batarian thug. It should be noted that these criminals do not represent average citizens, who are forbidden to leave batarian space by their omnipresent and paranoid government."

[Xilizhra]

Which actually reinforces everything I've said about them, and about Bioware's presentation of them to the player. The reason I say they're not like humanity is because in the game, we see all kinds of humans with different perspectives, values, inclinations. Every batarian we meet is rude and standoffish toward humans at best (Marsh the shopkeeper) to full-blown homicidal at worst (Balak in BDTS). Humans on the other hand run the gamut--they have the most balanced presentation of all.

They're not presented like humanity, but that's not the same thing as not being like them at all.

[AdmiralCheez]

lovgreno wrote...

Batarians are very much like humans. You don't like them? Remember that you are looking into a mirror. And also it's always the comfortable generalisation of ugly = evil.

Bingo.  The batarians are basically representations of all the things human society has supposed to have grown out of, but hasn't.  We don't like to see all our faults being paraded in front of us, even if they're wearing four-eyed masks.  Racism?  Slavery?  Oppressive governments?  Piracy?  Gangs?  Terrorism?  Yep.  Humans still do that, unfortunately.

And the sad part is, a lot of this mess could have been avoided if it weren't for stupid decisions made by powerful people.  Alliance makes a dumb move, Hegemony makes a dumber move, Council derps as usual, and suddenly there's a war.

I find the whole setup with the batarians fascinating, because that's how racism works in real life.  When all you see or hear about for so long are the bad examples, you start to wonder if that's the norm.  Nobody ever tells you batarians are decent or just like us, and when you run into one that's not a bad guy, everyone around you treats it like some sort of anomaly.

It's either a setup for a sucker punch or desensitization for something truly horrible that's about to happen.  Hell, maybe Arrival was that horrible thing we needed to be desensitized for, and ME3's the sucker punch.

[marshalleck]

Xilizhra wrote...

Which actually reinforces everything I've said about them, and about Bioware's presentation of them to the player. The reason I say they're not like humanity is because in the game, we see all kinds of humans with different perspectives, values, inclinations. Every batarian we meet is rude and standoffish toward humans at best (Marsh the shopkeeper) to full-blown homicidal at worst (Balak in BDTS). Humans on the other hand run the gamut--they have the most balanced presentation of all.

They're not presented like humanity, but that's not the same thing as not being like them at all.

Perhaps, but it's still ultimately a case of baseless assumption. If anything, the fact that the batarians apparently thrive on slavery while humanity outlawed it long ago does suggest some great differences. 

But maybe the cultural value of slavery is merely propaganda by their government. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that's the case, however, we won't know because so far Bioware have refused to show us. Feel free to guess their motivation for that. It's obvious from looking at how the krogan and batarians are presented in both games so far that Bioware are pushing an agenda.  

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 septembre 2011 - 11:24 .