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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Seboist wrote...

The Batarian hate stems from them being one of the favorite whipping boys of the devs. They lack an even handed portrayal and are the convenient mooks for whatever mission they come up with.

The only alien species that has it worse are the Vorcha.

To be fair killing Vorcha is fun....exceedingly fun.

[ThePwener]

Golden Owl wrote...

He thinks your going to mug him...I would be a tad nervous and not be feeling too friendly myself in that situation.

That's not true and you know it. He said the reason himself in the conversation. He saw Shepard was Human and responded in anger due to the rumor of the virus being human made as humans were uneffected.

[ThePwener]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

To be fair killing Vorcha is fun....exceedingly fun.

Have you killed Vorcha on insane? Wolverine level regeheration takes away the fun.

[marshalleck]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Well, I get that. I really do. I just don't see why batarians are needed as contrast when there are plenty of humans doing questionable things; TIM paramount amongst them. That's like his whole reason for existence--to highlight all that humanity can be, both the good and the bad.

Because they're not human.  They're the "them," the group we're not a part of.  We don't feel compelled to apologize for or dissociate from them because we're not batarians.

The writers, intentionally or no, are playing a socio-psychological game with us.  They're exploiting the group mentality we all have for some (as of yet) unknown purpose.

Meh. District 9 did a much better job of toying with and eventually inverting the concept of "other"

AdmiralCheez wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I myself don't hate batarians. I realize they're just a fictional species in a video game. My main Shepard has more than a few screws loose when it comes to them though (ruthless colonist), so whatever is coming in ME3 should present an interesting moral conflict for him.

I don't, either, and I've got a Shep in a similar situation.

Still hate vampires.

I'm currently replaying VTMB, and realizing that I too am disliking of vampires. Probably for reasons other than your own, however. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

ThePwener wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
called ME a racist bastard for killing the rachni queen. 

Don't remember but it does sound like something I'd say. I faintly remember someone saying something about them not being alive and nothing more then animals who could talk, and me responding angrily at said person due to my intolerance to human (real world human) racism/ignorance.

To be fair, pretty much every member of their race except the queen doesn't seem to be more intelligent than a varren.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:52 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ThePwener wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

He thinks your going to mug him...I would be a tad nervous and not be feeling too friendly myself in that situation.

That's not true and you know it. He said the reason himself in the conversation. He saw Shepard was Human and responded in anger due to the rumor of the virus being human made as humans were uneffected.

I end up saving him in both Paragonish and Renegadish runs.
The paragon does it because he's an overly polite nancy boy.
The renegade saves him to prove something approaching moral superiority.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ThePwener wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

To be fair killing Vorcha is fun....exceedingly fun.

Have you killed Vorcha on insane? Wolverine level regeheration takes away the fun.

Inferno rounds.

Burning Vorcha are even more fun than normal.

[Golden Owl]

ThePwener wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

He thinks your going to mug him...I would be a tad nervous and not be feeling too friendly myself in that situation.

That's not true and you know it. He said the reason himself in the conversation. He saw Shepard was Human and responded in anger due to the rumor of the virus being human made as humans were uneffected.

Listen to his very first words when Shep approaches him...he is expecting Shep to mug him....Batarian: "You don't even have the decency to wait for me to die"....something along those lines.

[saMoorai]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Still hate vampires.

You'd think in this day and age we'd be more tolerant to our undead Brothers & Sisters.

Its Racism like this that lowers my faith in humanity.

[ThePwener]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

To be fair, pretty much every member of their race except the queen doesn't seem to be more intelligent than a varren.

Oh, you mean the ones in the Listening Posts, Hot Labs and Tram Stations? The ones the Queen explicitly said were insane and beyond saving due to isolation and lack of nurturing from the Queen by the Peak 15 scientists?

To quote Kaidan the psychologist's words of wisdom; "Lock a child in a dark closet until he's an adult and he won't come out alright". That applies to every living organism, including animals.

Dude, did you even talk to the Queen? I don't think so.

Modifié par ThePwener, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:00 .

[Kusy]

Seriously, we agreed that Batarians are fictional... it's a good thing that we did, it's a fact worth acknowledging. Hating them makes as much sense as defending them from hate... because they are fictional and apart from the established lore we don't know anything about them... and things we do know? They are hate worthy.

For all I know that one Batarian on Omega was the only "nice" one, and he was nice only after I saved his sorry ass from certain death, he was plainly aggressive towards me the moment I approached him. Batarians are the kind of race that enslave people, try to assassinate galactic establishments, beat up hookers and they consider terrorism as the best way of resolving their problems.

While people hating them have a lot of proof to show that Batarians are a race of horrible individuals, - anyone who is trying to defend them from that hate has only assumptions that have nothing to do with what BioWare established in their games, licensed comics and books.

While haters are judging the whole race by many mercenaries, thugs, slavers, bartenders, killers and terrorists, the defenders clutch to one rude individual who happened to be thankful for saving his life.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:00 .

[ThePwener]

Golden Owl wrote...

"You don't even have the decency to wait for me to die"

"Before you take over and kill us"

That's what every alien claims in that mission, why would he be any different? Stop defending him/them, they don't deserve it.

It's like an African slave defending a racist American 200 years ago.

[ObserverStatus]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Still hate vampires.

You'd think in this day and age we'd be more tolerant to our undead Brothers & Sisters.

Its Racism like this that lowers my faith in humanity.

What?  I like vampires just fine.  With cheese and crackers! hahaha, crusniks ftw.

[Kaiser Shepard]

ThePwener wrote...

Oh, you mean the ones in the Listening Posts, Hot Labs and Tram Stations? The ones the Queen explicitly said were insane and beyond saving due to isolation and lack of nurturing from the Queen by the Peak 15 scientists?

Dude, did you even talk to the Queen? I don't think so.

Yeah, the ones that wouldn't have had any will but their queen's anyway.

And yes, I did talk to the queen. Then I killed her, Mr. Pwener, I watched her die... with a certain satisfaction I might add.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:01 .

[Kusy]

bobobo878 wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Still hate vampires.

You'd think in this day and age we'd be more tolerant to our undead Brothers & Sisters.

Its Racism like this that lowers my faith in humanity.

What?  I like vampires just fine.  With cheese and crackers! hahaha, crusniks ftw.

What is this? I don't even.

[saMoorai]

bobobo878 wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Still hate vampires.

You'd think in this day and age we'd be more tolerant to our undead Brothers & Sisters.

Its Racism like this that lowers my faith in humanity.

What?  I like vampires just fine.  With cheese and crackers! hahaha, crusniks ftw.

Crackers?!
The amount of racism in this thread disturbs me.

[Kusy]

saMOOrai182 wrote...]

Crackers?!
The amount of racism in this thread disturbs me.

You are lying I never hit you!
YOU ARE TEARING ME APART LISA!

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:04 .

[ThePwener]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Yeah, the ones that wouldn't have had any will but their queen's anyway.

And yes, I did talk to the queen. Then I killed her, Mr. Pwener, I watched her die... with a certain satisfaction I might add.

You could have had a powerful ally against the Reapers, and they still acquire Huskified Brood Warriors and Workers. Good job you racist bastard, good job indeed. Wonder if you'd do the same in real life. Probably not, you'd just have a breakdown and go into panic due to the preassure of the situation.

That last part was the psychology student in me talking.... who also thinks you're a racist bastard.

[Valdrane78]

armass wrote...

They only hate them cause we have not yet seen a batarian squadmate, and thus another side of the coin from the usual batarian thug stereotype(except from some civilians in omega). They would hate, or at least dislike, the geth and the krogans also without Wrex and Legion.

I disagree with that statement about Krogans.  With all their faults and anger, most Krogans have a highly developed sense of honor and loyalty.  They are staright forward and say what they mean and mean what they say, a rare trait in the council species.  Also, if you bothered to roam around Tuchanka in ME2 you will also see that they prize their children above all else.  You can hear one Krogan talk about how he missed the chance to talk to his child and how much that bummed him out, but was also proud of him and his abilities. 

While the Krogan have showed us many sides of themselves, all Batarians have done is show us how greedy and petty they are.  They attack our settlement only to have their asse shanded to them and run to complain to the council.  They try to destroy a city with a giant asteroid, and all because people like us more.  They also tend to blame their problems on everyone but themselves.  Yes I have an intense dislike for Batarians, which is one of the many reasons I enjoy the ME games so much.  The Devs didn't do their jobs properly if you don't care of have an opinion.

[Bad King]

We haven't met many batarians really, most of the ones we meet are enemies (but this is also the case with humans and turians), however there are a few good ones we meet. The ones from Mordin's recruitment mission are actually very reasonable provided you aren't hostile to them - the ones who are threatening Daniel agree that he isn't spreading the plague and stand down without inciting violence. The sick batarian you cure admits that his previous hatred of humans was irrational and that he was wrong about a lot of things. Also read about this fellow:

"Youth United is a galaxy-wide extranet group that aims to connect young people of all species. Founder Darchas Clark says he wants to provide a helpful, positive environment for children to learn about each others' cultures. A batarian raised in a human family, Clark says he knows things can be difficult for young people of mixed backgrounds. "My parents were good people, but they didn't know how to help with my struggle to relate to either batarian or human cultures when I was a kid," he recalls. "It's important that Youth United lets kids know they're not alone in that struggle. There's still too many vicious and ignorant attitudes towards mixed families out there." The group's services include chat sessions with peers and counselors, free classes on alien languages and cultures, and a guide to the galaxy's major legal systems." -- Cerberus daily news

Also bear in mind that the only portrayal of humans that many batarians ever get to see are negative ones:

"The average Aratoht citizen only sees humans on the news, usually featured in stories of trials and executions of accused spies." -- Aratoht codex entry in ME2

So in the same way that many people on this board distrust batarians because they claim that they are only seeing negative portraits of them, in the same way perhaps batarians distrust humans due to the hegemony's portrayal of humanity.

Modifié par Bad King, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:18 .

[ThePwener]

[quote]
The Terminus Systems are infested with batarian pirate gangs and slaving rings, fueling the stereotype of the batarian thug. It should be noted that these criminals do not represent average citizens, who are forbidden to leave batarian space by their omnipresent and paranoid government.[/quote]

[/quote]

I did not know that. Doesn't change my outlook. A nation suffering from it's goverment's sins. Reminds me of a nation I know.... but I won't say which one.

[Kusy]

ThePwener wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Yeah, the ones that wouldn't have had any will but their queen's anyway.

And yes, I did talk to the queen. Then I killed her, Mr. Pwener, I watched her die... with a certain satisfaction I might add.

You could have had a powerful ally against the Reapers, and they still acquire Huskified Brood Warriors and Workers. Good job you racist bastard, good job indeed. Wonder if you'd do the same in real life. Probably not, you'd just have a breakdown and go into panic due to the preassure of the situation.

That last part was the psychology student in me talking.... who also thinks you're a racist bastard.

I'm honestly laughing at two personas here... one thinks that the fact that he's playing a character like a psycho makes him cool and pretends that he felt any kind of satisfaction while clicking on a sign and watching a death animation and another calling him racist and thinking it has any relevance to the first's actual behavior or personality.

Snap out of it guys.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[Golden Owl]

ThePwener wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

"You don't even have the decency to wait for me to die"

"Before you take over and kill us"

That's what every alien claims in that mission, why would he be any different? Stop defending him/them, they don't deserve it.

It's like an African slave defending a racist American 200 years ago.

Those are not his words....try to get closer to the dialog to make your points....He is assuming since Humans can't catch the plague, it's humans who invented it....he goes on to explain...if Shep asks about the Vorcha....why he doesn't believe it's the Vorcha, his reasonings are fairly sound..

The African slave comment.....as I am not an American, that does not have the guilt impact you are attempting to foist on me, so don't bother going there.....and you are making the assumption that ALL Batarians are slavers, we do not have enough information to set that in stone.

[ThePwener]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I'm honestly laughing at two personas here... one thinks that the fact that he's playing a character like a psycho makes him cool and pretends that he felt any kind of satisfaction while clicking on a sign and watching a death animation and another calling him racist and thinking it has any relevance to the first's actual behavior or personality.

Snap out of it guys.

I know it doesn't have any relevance to his actual personality, I pointed that out. Anyway, he's acting like a child, so stop it! and before you call on me, he started it!