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[Bi_Winning]

 Has any straight male or female ever done a playthrough with a gay Hawke? Do you get anything special for having a gay relationship? All of my Hawkes are males so I might consider playing as a female to get the lesbo sexy scene with Isabela or Merril. 

[whykikyouwhy]

Bi_Winning wrote...

 Has any straight male or female ever done a playthrough with a gay Hawke? Do you get anything special for having a gay relationship? All of my Hawkes are males so I might consider playing as a female to get the lesbo sexy scene with Isabela or Merril. 

Regarding the bolded bit...are you asking if there is a special "gay achievement" that gets unlocked? Because if so, the answer is no. 

[jlb524]

No, you get nothing 'special' for going 'gay'.

'tis sad really, as the DA2 gaymances are quite awesome.

[Rifneno]

Straight male and I've done gay romances of both genders... there's not much difference, except in Anders case he tells you about Karl being more than just his mentor. Which I really think should have been told to all Hawkes since it helps put his character in perspective (people will get FAR more emotional about the loss of a lover than a mentor).

Oh, and lesbian romance with Isabela has one of the best jokes with obscure requirements to hear. Isabela asks Hawke is she wants to have some "girly fun" and sarcastic Hawke replies, "What, you want to go shoe shopping?" God I love sarcastic Hawke!

[RPGmom28]

I am a straight female, and I only romance the male characters regardless of whether I am playing a male or a female character. It's just my preference. The only thing I have noticed that is different at all was already mentioned by Rifneno- romance dialogue is slightly different if it is a gay relationship.

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Straight male and I've done gay romances of both genders... there's not much difference, except in Anders case he tells you about Karl being more than just his mentor. Which I really think should have been told to all Hawkes since it helps put his character in perspective (people will get FAR more emotional about the loss of a lover than a mentor).

Oh, and lesbian romance with Isabela has one of the best jokes with obscure requirements to hear. Isabela asks Hawke is she wants to have some "girly fun" and sarcastic Hawke replies, "What, you want to go shoe shopping?" God I love sarcastic Hawke!

You know, I'm really curious; whom do you canonically romance, and with what Hawke?

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Straight male and I've done gay romances of both genders... there's not much difference, except in Anders case he tells you about Karl being more than just his mentor. Which I really think should have been told to all Hawkes since it helps put his character in perspective (people will get FAR more emotional about the loss of a lover than a mentor).

Oh, and lesbian romance with Isabela has one of the best jokes with obscure requirements to hear. Isabela asks Hawke is she wants to have some "girly fun" and sarcastic Hawke replies, "What, you want to go shoe shopping?" God I love sarcastic Hawke!

You know, I'm really curious; whom do you canonically romance, and with what Hawke?

FemHawke with Anders.  I just love FemHawke's VA.  And Anders... I doubt I need to explain.

[Xilizhra]

Ah, so my guess was almost right (Male Hawke with Anders).

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Yeah, it is a shame that you don't hear about Karl being Ander's lover when you are a female Hawke romancing him. I don't understand why they just didn't make Anders bi, or straight with bi tendancies across genders. It wouldn't have made him any less romanceable. In fact, it would have been even more interesting, really, especially to be able to talk about Karl with him.

But I think that my canon Hawke will be female mage romancing Anders.

[esper]

Straight female - and I have mostly done Anders with femhawke. I only play female characters, but I have finsihed a Merrill romance. Loved it. So glad that all four option are open to me, might even do Isabella one day.

[Chuvvy]

Bi_Winning wrote...

 Has any straight male or female ever done a playthrough with a gay Hawke? Do you get anything special for having a gay relationship? All of my Hawkes are males so I might consider playing as a female to get the lesbo sexy scene with Isabela or Merril. 

Yeah, yeah I guess you could say that.

[Collider]

I prefer playing as a male, and I generally explore all romance options eventually, so yes I have done some of the gay romances.

I would have liked some more reference to the player's gender, particularly with Anders considering Awakening.
Fenris had a decent amount of reference, he called Hawke a handsome man more than once.

[Tyrium]

straight female - I play Fem!Hawke with Anders, but I keep meaning to do M!hawke/Fenris, I think theirs is sweet. Anders/F!Hawke is my canon though. Personally, I like that Karl isn't said to be his lover if you play female, I prefer Karl as the mentor figure, and it somewhat lessens the creep factor of hitting on him straight after he kills him, and lets me interpret him as straight, as I saw him in Awakening. To each his own however

[Andraste_Reborn]

Straight female here, and so far I've played F!Hawke/Sebastian, F!/Hawke/Fenris, M!Hawke/Anders and F!Hawke/Isabela. Planning to play F!Hawke/Merrill next.

Femslash isn't usually my thing, but in DA2 I prefer both the female love interests with a female Hawke - it seems so clinched for Isabela to settle down with a guy, and the power dynamics between Merrill and a human man just feel wrong to me. I might get around to M!Hawke/Fenris eventually.

I really like not having to base my character's gender on who I want to romance on any given play through this time around. (Well, except the time I romanced Sebastian.)

Modifié par Andrastee, 11 septembre 2011 - 11:39 .

[naledgeborn]

Yep, I'm going to complain about gender blindness again. I only played as Male Hawke who went for Isabela, but I get the feeling that this doesn't apply to just this set up. If you're going to make "everyone bi" at least make it believable BioWare. 98% of the conversations between MHawke and Isabela is probably interchangeable with FHawke. It was another "tough decision" like recycled maps.

@ Rifneno's comment regarding FHawke and Isabela. That almost makes me jealous MHawke doesn't get any special dialogue with Izzy. LOL

[Xilizhra]

First of all, not everyone is bi. Second of all, two of them are elves, and they seem to have an established trait of bisexuality being common. Thirdly, it's one of Isabela's character traits to not care much about the sex of whomever she's sleeping with.

[naledgeborn]

Xilizhra wrote...

First of all, not everyone is bi. Second of all, two of them are elves, and they seem to have an established trait of bisexuality being common. Thirdly, it's one of Isabela's character traits to not care much about the sex of whomever she's sleeping with.

1. Sorry, Sebastien is DLC and not fleshed out.
2. BS
3, I know Isabela is bi. Real people who are bi (in general) don't approach an s/s relationship the same as a hetero one because it's not the same.  That's saying that male and female is the same which they are not.
4. You're reading too much into what I wrote. No malice intended. I just want Isabela to acknowledge that she's ****ing a man instead of a woman (vice versa) in dialogue instead of the dialogue itself being genderblind in an attempt to "not exhaust development rescources".

[whykikyouwhy]

naledgeborn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

First of all, not everyone is bi. Second of all, two of them are elves, and they seem to have an established trait of bisexuality being common. Thirdly, it's one of Isabela's character traits to not care much about the sex of whomever she's sleeping with.

1. Sorry, Sebastien is DLC and not fleshed out.
2. BS
3, I know Isabela is bi. Real people who are bi (in general) don't approach an s/s relationship the same as a hetero one because it's not the same.  That's saying that male and female is the same which they are not.
4. You're reading too much into what I wrote. No malice intended. I just want Isabela to acknowledge that she's ****ing a man instead of a woman (vice versa) in dialogue instead of the dialogue itself being genderblind in an attempt to "not exhaust development rescources".

I suppose Isabela could have commented on how manly your Hawke was, and made some rather crude assertions about said manhood. How specific did you want her to get? I don't know if many couples, regardless of their gender makeup, actually verbalize the gender dynamics much, or wave around the flag of what gender they are "****ing."  

[Collider]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

First of all, not everyone is bi. Second of all, two of them are elves, and they seem to have an established trait of bisexuality being common. Thirdly, it's one of Isabela's character traits to not care much about the sex of whomever she's sleeping with.

1. Sorry, Sebastien is DLC and not fleshed out.
2. BS
3, I know Isabela is bi. Real people who are bi (in general) don't approach an s/s relationship the same as a hetero one because it's not the same.  That's saying that male and female is the same which they are not.
4. You're reading too much into what I wrote. No malice intended. I just want Isabela to acknowledge that she's ****ing a man instead of a woman (vice versa) in dialogue instead of the dialogue itself being genderblind in an attempt to "not exhaust development rescources".

I suppose Isabela could have commented on how manly your Hawke was, and made some rather crude assertions about said manhood. How specific did you want her to get? I don't know if many couples, regardless of their gender makeup, actually verbalize the gender dynamics much, or wave around the flag of what gender they are "****ing."  

Is that necessary? Is it a bad thing to want variation in dialog depending on what gender player character you're playing?

[naledgeborn]

Sorry for getting crude whykiky. The whole thing is really me measuring the Morrigan romance to Isabela's. I know it's unfair (different game, different characters, ect.) but Morrigan's felt way more personal and organic in comparison despite the underwear dry humping and DA:O's limits.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 11 septembre 2011 - 02:59 .

[naledgeborn]

Collider wrote...


Is that necessary? Is it a bad thing to want variation in dialog depending on what gender player character you're playing?

Thanks for refining my point.

[whykikyouwhy]

Collider wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

First of all, not everyone is bi. Second of all, two of them are elves, and they seem to have an established trait of bisexuality being common. Thirdly, it's one of Isabela's character traits to not care much about the sex of whomever she's sleeping with.

1. Sorry, Sebastien is DLC and not fleshed out.
2. BS
3, I know Isabela is bi. Real people who are bi (in general) don't approach an s/s relationship the same as a hetero one because it's not the same.  That's saying that male and female is the same which they are not.
4. You're reading too much into what I wrote. No malice intended. I just want Isabela to acknowledge that she's ****ing a man instead of a woman (vice versa) in dialogue instead of the dialogue itself being genderblind in an attempt to "not exhaust development rescources".

I suppose Isabela could have commented on how manly your Hawke was, and made some rather crude assertions about said manhood. How specific did you want her to get? I don't know if many couples, regardless of their gender makeup, actually verbalize the gender dynamics much, or wave around the flag of what gender they are "****ing."  

Is that necessary? Is it a bad thing to want variation in dialog depending on what gender player character you're playing?

Wanting variety is not a bad thing, no, but neither is wanting some "genderblindness" (as the poster I quoted has referenced). It would make more sense, especially with Isabela, to have dialogue variations based on Hawke's personality rather than gender since in the game, romances are romances - they are not really confined or defined by gender. I personally don't see the need to have the dialogue reflect gender because romantic dialogue, to me, is not about a person's gender, but about the emotions involved in the relationship.

[naledgeborn]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Wanting variety is not a bad thing, no, but neither is wanting some "genderblindness" (as the poster I quoted has referenced). It would make more sense, especially with Isabela, to have dialogue variations based on Hawke's personality rather than gender since in the game, romances are romances - they are not really confined or defined by gender. I personally don't see the need to have the dialogue reflect gender because romantic dialogue, to me, is not about a person's gender, but about the emotions involved in the relationship.

I see your point. However not having gender refected in dialogue, especially romantic dialogue, is corner cutting . If you don't see it that way then we'll have to agree to disagree. 

[jlb524]

Most of BW's 'het only' romances haven't seemed very 'gendered' to me, including Morrigan's (I played it modded with a female and nothing seemed out of place beyond gendered pronoun mishaps).

naledgeborn wrote...

3, I know Isabela is bi. Real people who are bi (in general) don't approach an s/s relationship the same as a hetero one because it's not the same.  That's saying that male and female is the same which they are not.

These things are products of a given society.  In our society, people will approach s/s relationships differently given our specific heteronormative cultural values.  This fantasy universe of Thedas might not work that way (I doubt it does, considering sexuality isn't moralized like it is here).

The same can be said of male/female 'gender roles'.

Modifié par jlb524, 11 septembre 2011 - 05:00 .