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The Xand wrote...
Bisexual men tend not to act so campy though because they still want girls and acting like Big Gay Al isn't going to get them far in that respect.PuppyFlavour wrote...
I don't act like this. None of my gay/bisexual friends act like this. The gay people in Dragon Age are not unrealistic, they are simply not the sort you're used to.
Gaider confirmed that was non-canon and Herren is not actually a desire demon in the main game.The Xand wrote...
Ah, actually yeah they were what I was thinking of actually. Maybe a little more obvious though. Lol, didn't one of them turn out to be a Desire demon in the end though?
Has anyone actually said that there needs to be gender specific dialog? I thought we were simply stating our preferences. Some like gender neutral romances, some like gender specific - or something in between.Wanting variety is not a bad thing, no, but neither is wanting some "genderblindness" (as the poster I quoted has referenced). It would make more sense, especially with Isabela, to have dialogue variations based on Hawke's personality rather than gender since in the game, romances are romances - they are not really confined or defined by gender. I personally don't see the need to have the dialogue reflect gender because romantic dialogue, to me, is not about a person's gender, but about the emotions involved in the relationship.
Kaidan's definitely seemed gendered to me. The comparisons to Rana (Kaidan's past female crush), about how Kaidan read novels about the space adventurer seeking out the women he loved...those could not be translated into a male romance cleanly.Most of BW's 'het only' romances haven't seemed very 'gendered' to me, including Morrigan's (I played it modded with a female and nothing seemed out of place beyond gendered pronoun mishaps).
PuppyFlavour wrote...
But Anders and Fenris are bisexual? What's your issue with them?
Collider wrote...
Kaidan's definitely seemed gendered to me. The comparisons to Rana (Kaidan's past female crush), about how Kaidan read novels about the space adventurer seeking out the women he loved...those could not be translated into a male romance cleanly.
Xilizhra wrote...
If the existence of lesbian scenes somehow makes you insecure... well, all I can really say that would be accurate is insulting and generally scatological, so just please stop saying that.
No, it still sounds stupid when I read it again. And the only way for you to single out lesbian romances in any way is to assume that no women play this, which is... less than accurate, to say the least. If your oh-so-precious gaming dignity is wounded by this, then play something maturely romance-free, so all you'll get is violence. Then you can avoid the horrible... um, "everyone who enjoyed Dragon Age is an idiot horny teenager because it has lesbian sex scenes" brush, which could well be terrifying if it, um, actually existed anywhere.Tbh I wish all the companions would stop hitting on me since the romances seem immature and entirely unnecessary. The lesbian scenes in particular don't exactly do much to make gamers seem mature. The gays and bisexuals in the game also seem fairly unrealistic since I live in one of the gay centrals of Scotland and all the gays I've met have been fairly forward and not half so subtle in their approaches as the Dragon Age characters. Stupid companions. Come on people, get your heads in the game and out of your crotches! We've a world to save.
The Xand wrote...
Tbh all of the sex scenes are massively cringeworthy but it's the lesbian ones that would seemingly appeal more to the "horny nerd" than the hetro ones.
Modifié par leggywillow, 11 septembre 2011 - 08:54 .
Xilizhra wrote...
No, it still sounds stupid when I read it again. And the only way for you to single out lesbian romances in any
way is to assume that no women play this, which is... less than accurate, to say the least. If your oh-so-precious gaming dignity is wounded by this, then play something maturely romance-free, so all you'll get is violence. Then you can avoid the horrible... um, "everyone who enjoyed Dragon Age is an idiot horny teenager because it has
lesbian sex scenes" brush, which could well be terrifying if it, um,
actually existed anywhere.
leggywillow wrote...
I really don't see what you mean. The sex scenes are the same whether they're lesbian or heterosexual. ManHawke and Female Hawke get the same scene with Merrill and Isabela, except for possibly a different dialogue line here and there. If I'm following your logic, the lesbian scenes are only more cringeworthy because they contain lesbians at all, which seems to be an unfortunate implication on your part...
Modifié par The Xand, 11 septembre 2011 - 09:21 .
Yes, technically it exists. And the people who espouse it are ****ing morons. Is it that important to appease the "****ing moron" demographic? Nothing you'll ever do will be good enough to please those people, as if you'd even want to. If you're really concerned about this, go after God of War or something.Oh, and get this, and listen hard becauseit might baffle and confuse you; there actually exists a stereotype of gamers being horny nerds who get their rocks off from watching digital girls bump uglies. It's embarrassing and doesn't do well to detract fromthat stereotype when people see lesbian sex scenes on Youtube, but fortunately a female gamer like yourself is mercifully free of such things, so much so that you seem to have no concept of it.
Members of the gaming community, no matter what gender, suffer from being labeled under many a stereotype. Unfortunately, being rude and abrasive is one of them - something that we would do well to not perpetuate here.The Xand wrote...
It sounds stupid to you because you seem to not grasp what I was aiming at.While yes, I'm sure many girls do indeed play it the hard fact remains that the vast majority of gamers are male, ages 16-25. A hard fact for your flawed logic right there. Oh, and get this, and listen hard becauseit might baffle and confuse you; there actually exists a stereotype of gamers being horny nerds who get their rocks off from watching digital girls bump uglies. It's embarrassing and doesn't do well to detract fromthat stereotype when people see lesbian sex scenes on Youtube, but fortunately a female gamer like yourself is mercifully free of such things, so much so that you seem to have no concept of it.
I guess the sex scenes in movies and books are "cringeworthy" as well? Don't those perpetuate stereotypes about the people who seek both forms of media as entertainment? If you are concerned about the state of male gamers and how they are being likened to "sad lonely little men", the best thing to do is to not fall prey to that stereotype and ensure that you, yourself, aren't out there crying foul over anyone who may enjoy a romance in a video game. It's not the existence of the romance options that is the problem, but the tendency for people to generalize.leggywillow wrote...
I really don't see what you mean. The sex scenes are the same whether they're lesbian or heterosexual. ManHawke and Female Hawke get the same scene with Merrill and Isabela, except for possibly a different dialogue line here and there. If I'm following your logic, the lesbian scenes are only more cringeworthy because they contain lesbians at all, which seems to be an unfortunate implication on your part...
No, it's because there's sex scenes of *any* sort that's embarassing. People see such things and it fulfills expectations of gamers being sad lonely little men getting off to such things and that we have weird fetishes for digital bewbs. Plus, the scenes are just so cringeworthy and silly looking. And the Youtube comments further that stereotype massively.
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I have a gay friend who's a lot like Anders. A judgmental b!tch who makes me want to slap him silly most of the time. We're still friends though because he's a very talented writer and very witty. It's a lot like how my Hawke remains friends with Anders. :-)PuppyFlavour wrote...
I don't act like this. None of my gay/bisexual friends act like this. The gay people in Dragon Age are not unrealistic, they are simply not the sort you're used to.And no, my point was that the gays as represented in Dragon Age are unrealistic and not at all like the vast majority of those you meet in real life, many of whom choose to affect an irritating air of campness.
Xilizhra wrote...
Yes, technically it exists. And the people who espouse it are ****ing morons.Is it that important to appease the "****ing moron" demographic? Nothing you'll ever do will be good enough to please those people, as if
you'd even want to. If you're really concerned about this, go after God of War or something.
whykikyouwhy wrote...
I guess the sex scenes in movies and books are "cringeworthy" as well? Don't those perpetuate stereotypes about the people who seek both forms of media as entertainment? If you are concerned about the state of male gamers and how they are being likened to "sad lonely little men", the best thing to do is to not fall prey to that stereotype and ensure that you, yourself, aren't out there crying foul over anyone who may enjoy a romance in a video game. It's not the existence of the romance options that is the problem, but the tendency for people to generalize.
Modifié par The Xand, 11 septembre 2011 - 09:37 .
The Xand wrote...
It sounds stupid to you because you seem to not grasp what I was aiming at.While yes, I'm sure many girls do indeed play it the hard fact remains that the vast majority of gamers are male, ages 16-25. A hard fact for your flawed logic right there. Oh, and get this, and listen hard becauseit might baffle and confuse you; there actually exists a stereotype of gamers being horny nerds who get their rocks off from watching digital girls bump uglies. It's embarrassing and doesn't do well to detract fromthat stereotype when people see lesbian sex scenes on Youtube, but fortunately a female gamer like yourself is mercifully free of such things, so much so that you seem to have no concept of it.
Your opinion has been noted. It fails to match mine. Luckily, there are other games out there that lack sex, so we both have options, but if the romance was removed from all of these, I'd have nothing for my own tastes.It doesn't hurt to not give them toss to hurl at us though. And it doesn't change the fact that the sex scenes
are genuinely cringeworthy and embarassing. I mean honestly, it's not sexy at all and utterly unnecessary.
Xilizhra wrote...
Your opinion has been noted. It fails to match mine. Luckily, there are other games out there that lack sex, so we both have options, but if the romance was removed from all of these, I'd have nothing for my own tastes.It doesn't hurt to not give them toss to hurl at us though. And it doesn't change the fact that the sex scenes
are genuinely cringeworthy and embarassing. I mean honestly, it's not sexy at all and utterly unnecessary.
It sounds stupid to you because you seem to not grasp what I was aiming at.While yes, I'm sure many girls do indeed play it the hard fact remains that the vast majority of gamers are male, ages 16-25. A hard fact for your flawed logic right there. Oh, and get this, and listen hard becauseit might baffle and confuse you; there actually exists a stereotype of gamers being horny nerds who get their rocks off from watching digital girls bump uglies. It's embarrassing and doesn't do well to detract fromthat stereotype when people see lesbian sex scenes on Youtube, but fortunately a female gamer like yourself is mercifully free of such things, so much so that you seem to have no concept of it.
Modifié par The Xand, 11 septembre 2011 - 09:45 .
A sex scene in a video game is just that - a scene. In DA2, it's all of maybe a minute of game time, bordered by character dialogue that may reveal some interesting plot points. That is why a lot of people enjoy them - for the story, and the immersion into the lives of the characters and narrative as a whole. Not necessarily for the jollies over pixelated underwear.The Xand wrote...
Truth be told yes, many movies and books do often shoehorn romances and sex scenes in just for the hell of it and presumably to appeal to female audiences who appreciate the romance, and for horny guys, who like naked people bumping uglies. It's more forgivable in movies however since it's not usually poorly rendered pixels in a fantasy game about killing lots and lots of **** until things work out and the world is saved.
The Xand wrote...
Melca36 wrote...
Just so you know this is not 2001. There are far more women who play videogames now.
Also the average console owner is around 27-28
I suggest you research game demographics from 2010 instead of 2001.
You've the Nintendo Wii to thank for that travesty of a statistic. As for female gamers..aha, yeah I'm sure there's lots who play games out there and I'm sure they're very good...but there's more dudes who play more games and more hardcore games at that. World of Warcraft and Farmville don't count
Melca36 wrote...
Read my other post...........
And your stereotype of women is pretty insulting. <_<
Modifié par The Xand, 11 septembre 2011 - 09:49 .
The Xand wrote...
Melca36 wrote...
Read my other post...........
And your stereotype of women is pretty insulting. <_<
It's incredibly easy to get skewed statistics like that given the mass popularity of the Wii and online Facebook games like Farmville and the like so now more people are likely to be like "Yes, I'm a gamer" than before, not to mention females buying consoles are likely to have only been doing it for their sons and boyfriends. Let's be honest though, girls aren't about to sit down and play any of the Total War games, or Europa Universalis, Fallout, Gothic 3 and the like, more like MarioKart and WiiFit and the Sims. Dragon Age I suppose might be more popular with girls than I had given credit for though because of the romances.
Modifié par Melca36, 11 septembre 2011 - 09:55 .
So do you have statistics that prove your points? Because I'm sure we are all curious to see those.The Xand wrote...
Melca36 wrote...
Read my other post...........
And your stereotype of women is pretty insulting. <_<
It's incredibly easy to get skewed statistics like that given the mass popularity of the Wii and online Facebook games like Farmville and the like so now more people are likely to be like "Yes, I'm a gamer" than before, not to mention females buying consoles are likely to have only been doing it for their sons and boyfriends. Let's be honest though, girls aren't about to sit down and play any of the Total War games, or Europa Universalis, Fallout, Gothic 3 and the like, more like MarioKart and WiiFit and the Sims. Dragon Age I suppose might be more popular with girls than I had given credit for though because of the romances.
Melca36 wrote...
Sorry if that upsets you but developers can't design games like its 2001. Women gamers are not going away. And not all of us are into farmville and such.
Oh and I bought Fallout and Fallout New Vegas and KNOW plenty of female gamers that have as well.
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